Environmental Fascists Responsible For Oil Spill

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    Had this spill been on land it would have been plugged in a few days.

    Had this spill been in shallow water, the same.

    But the real culprit, Big Green, and the Greeniacs, forced the industry into mile deep water.

    "The irony here is that it's been the reluctance of Congress and the White House to allow more onshore development of our vast untapped oil and natural gas energy reserves that has forced oil companies such as Shell and British Petroleum to go farther and farther offshore to drill deeper and deeper in riskier waters.

    "I am frustrated that this decision by the Obama administration to halt offshore development for a year will cause more delays and higher costs for domestic oil and gas production to meet the nation's energy needs," Sen. Mark Begich, D-Alaska, said in a statement. As with nuclear power, domestic oil exploration will now be consigned to the "study forever, develop never" category."
    The Drill Is Gone - IBD - Investors.com


    "…there has been a departure from reason and logic because objectivity has been replaced in large measure by ideology.

    [There are] extraordinary similarities between the attempt by the Western intelligentsia to impose secular ideologies such as materialism, environmentalism ...

    [There are] remarkable links and correspondences between left-wing ‘progressives’ and Islamists (those who wish to impose Islam on unbelievers and to extinguish individual freedom and human rights among Muslims), and environmentalists and fascists, militant atheists and fanatical religious believers. All are united by the common desire to bring about through human agency the perfection of the world, an agenda which history teaches us leads invariably- and paradoxically- to tyranny, terror, and crimes against humanity."
    “The World Turned Upside Down,” Melanie Phillips


    On the excellent webcast 'Uncommon Knowledge', Czech president Václav Klaus recently compared “two ideologies” that were “structurally very similar. They are against individual freedom. They are in favor of centralistic masterminding of our fates. They are both very similar in telling us what to do, how to live, how to behave, what to eat, how to travel, what we can do and what we cannot do.” The first of Klaus’s “two ideologies” was Communism—a system with which he was deeply familiar, having participated in the Velvet Revolution in 1989. The second was environmentalism.
    The Varieties of Liberal Enthusiasm by Benjamin A. Plotinsky, City Journal Spring 2010
     
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    The worst oil spill in history occurred in 1979, in 150 feet of water.
     
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    Damn those pesky environmentalists for supporting offshore drilling.:cuckoo:
     
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    So, your premises are the following:

    1. Techniques and precautions are identical, even though the previous event took place over 30 years ago.

    2. Solutions are no more difficult in coastal waters and on land than in mile deep locations.

    These 'unspoken assumptions' represent your response?

    Nor, it seems, do you wish to comment on the overwhelming control, exhibited by Big Green, of the future of America. Wise choice.
     
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    30 years ago they tried a top hat, and a top kill, and ended up fixing it with a relief well. Sound familiar?
     
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    As to the mythical premise here that shallow water drilling doesn't occur in the Gulf, try reading this:

    http://www.rigdata.com/samples/oegm.pdf

    I know you won't, because it's long and tedious, which actually makes the point. It contains a list of drilling operations in the Gulf, including their location and depth. And pretty much disposes of this MYTH that environmentalists, or anyone else, has forced the drillers into deep water.

    The drillers are in deep water because they're anywhere they think they can make money. I'll find the article if I can, from last year, about BP touting the great boon they were expecting from deepwater drilling plans - it was notable because of 1. how thrilled they were, and 2. how ironic it all now looks.
     
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    "...the mythical premise here that shallow water drilling doesn't occur in the Gulf..." has never been the question, as much as you try to obfuscate and claim so, the questions are

    1. whether not it would be easier to deal with on shore, or in shallower water...

    and

    2. shouldn't the blame, in large measure, be firmly on the shoulders of the greeniacs who have insisted that drilling and exploration be relegated to deep water...

    The outright falsity of your statement, "because they're anywhere they think they can make money" is astounding.

    A truer statement is " because they're anywhere they are allowed to find energy sources by Big Green" the more distant, difficult and irrelevent they are, the better.

    And since our environmental friends have eliminated drilling and exploration in ANWAR and Oklahoma, etc..."...how ironic it all now looks..."


    I did peruse the link, and wonder exactly which parts of the 20 pages you find dispositive?


    The far bigger question is why fanatics continue to predict dire outcomes of drilling and exploration for the life's blood of an industrial society when same is accomplished in every permutation and combination around the world...


    It seems that when myth and fantasy take over- even in the age of enlightenment- facts are simply ignored: evidence, reason, and logic are exiled in favor of irrationality, ideology and prejudice.
     
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    Boy, you really are a moron. He just gave you a link to a document (which you obviously didn't (and maybe can't)) read with a long list of offshore drilling and exploration that's occurring in shallow water.

    SO "Big Green" is preventing oil companies from drilling in shallow waters, even though there's a long list of shallow water drill sites?

    :cuckoo:
     
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    Well, Chic, given the negligence that BP demonstrated in the operation, perhaps it is time to end off shore drilling, period. Time to put a serious tax on every barrel of oil produced or imported into the US with that money mandated to aid the people who have lost their living from this disaster, and also for R and D to replace the internal combustion engine with electric motors.
     
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    Drilling has not been relegated to deep water. That is the myth of your premise, and the myth is debunked in my link, which lists dozens of ongoing drilling operations IN shallow water.

    So, I recommend you start over, with a premise that is NOT a myth.
     

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