Energy secretary shows why electric cars do not beat gas cars.

[2aguy]

People need to understand something and they need to understand it as soon as possible. Electric cars and trucks are not meant to make moving around easier…..they are a tool to reduce our ability to make life choices. They will limit our access to energy, limit where we can live, limit our food choices, limit how many children we can have.
This is the truth.

Electric trucks can only carry half what a diesel truck can carry and only transport it half as far, and then take forever to charge the batteries………this limits goods and services and raises the cost of everything catastrophically…an electric truck costs between 400-500 thousand dollars, a diesel about 150 thousand…..so that will crush independent trucking companies and Owner operators……this will also limit what will be available and will price most things out of reach of the poor and middle income ……

And it is all part of the plan…..

The left, and democrats are misanthropes……they simply hate people.

If we don’t wise up, and fast…..we are going to suffer…

Nolte: Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm’s Electric Car Road Trip Implodes

Jennifer Granholm decided to show America how great electric cars are -- and only proved the technology isn't even close to ready.

www.breitbart.com

 

[pknopp]

So upset over the choices of others. You authoritarians and your desire to control what others can own is pretty creepy. Not as creepy as the monsters you see under every bed but creepy all the same.

 

[sparky]

So upset over the choices of others. You authoritarians and your desire to control what others can own is pretty creepy. Not as creepy as the monsters you see under every bed but creepy all the same.

This is our gov making choices for us,,....~S~

 

[Batcat]

People need to understand something and they need to understand it as soon as possible. Electric cars and trucks are not meant to make moving around easier…..they are a tool to reduce our ability to make life choices. They will limit our access to energy, limit where we can live, limit our food choices, limit how many children we can have.
This is the truth.

Electric trucks can only carry half what a diesel truck can carry and only transport it half as far, and then take forever to charge the batteries………this limits goods and services and raises the cost of everything catastrophically…an electric truck costs between 400-500 thousand dollars, a diesel about 150 thousand…..so that will crush independent trucking companies and Owner operators……this will also limit what will be available and will price most things out of reach of the poor and middle income ……

And it is all part of the plan…..

The left, and democrats are misanthropes……they simply hate people.

If we don’t wise up, and fast…..we are going to suffer…

Nolte: Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm’s Electric Car Road Trip Implodes

Jennifer Granholm decided to show America how great electric cars are -- and only proved the technology isn't even close to ready.

www.breitbart.com

Plus some electric vehicles have a bad habit of catching on fire.

GM warns some Bolt EV owners: Don't park them inside or charge them unattended overnight

Two Bolt EVs caught fire even after they were repaired as part of a recall of nearly 69,000 of the vehicles that were flagged for fire risks.

www.cnbc.com

It is wise not to give the battery wet.

Florida EV Fires | NFPA

EVs damaged in Hurricane Ian are catching fire in Florida

www.nfpa.org

An EV battery can be damaged in a fender bender.

EV Suffers Minor Fender Bender, Owner Stunned as Repair Bill Skyrockets to $42,000 When Mechanics Start Work

Even a small bump on an electric vehicle can mean big money in repairs, as one Rivian owner has discovered.

ijr.com

I’ll bet the insurance on an EV will be sky high.

EVs are simply not ready for prime time.

 

[pknopp]

This is our gov making choices for us,,....~S~

No one has made a choice for me. If they have you, well, sucker!!

 

[Cellblock2429]

People need to understand something and they need to understand it as soon as possible. Electric cars and trucks are not meant to make moving around easier…..they are a tool to reduce our ability to make life choices. They will limit our access to energy, limit where we can live, limit our food choices, limit how many children we can have.
This is the truth.

Electric trucks can only carry half what a diesel truck can carry and only transport it half as far, and then take forever to charge the batteries………this limits goods and services and raises the cost of everything catastrophically…an electric truck costs between 400-500 thousand dollars, a diesel about 150 thousand…..so that will crush independent trucking companies and Owner operators……this will also limit what will be available and will price most things out of reach of the poor and middle income ……

And it is all part of the plan…..

The left, and democrats are misanthropes……they simply hate people.

If we don’t wise up, and fast…..we are going to suffer…

Nolte: Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm’s Electric Car Road Trip Implodes

Jennifer Granholm decided to show America how great electric cars are -- and only proved the technology isn't even close to ready.

www.breitbart.com

/---/ Businesses are smarter than governments. They always have, and always will be. They will find a work around. One solution is to move everything by rail and use electric trucks for the short haul from distribution centers to the retail outlets.

 

[2aguy]

So upset over the choices of others. You authoritarians and your desire to control what others can own is pretty creepy. Not as creepy as the monsters you see under every bed but creepy all the same.

They are not choices when the government forces you to make them......that you don't understand that is just showing how dumb you are.

 

[2aguy]

No one has made a choice for me. If they have you, well, sucker!!

California is making choices for the trucking industry that will impact your life.......if you are too dumb to see it, don't worry, they will show you how dumb you are.

 

[pknopp]

They are not choices when the government forces you to make them......that you don't understand that is just showing how dumb you are.

If the government has forced you into something, sucker. You must be so easily led.

 

[pknopp]

California is making choices for the trucking industry that will impact your life.......if you are too dumb to see it, don't worry, they will show you how dumb you are.

It won't impact me one bit.

 

[sparky]

It won't impact me one bit.

it already has ~S~

 

[pknopp]

it already has ~S~

Well yeah. I have to continually see these lame posts.

 

[1srelluc]

The Big 3 operate at the command of the .gov.

At least Toyoda did not take the smelly .gov bait and is concentrating on Hybrids.....Which makes a lot more sense.

 

[Moonglow]

People need to understand something and they need to understand it as soon as possible. Electric cars and trucks are not meant to make moving around easier…..they are a tool to reduce our ability to make life choices. They will limit our access to energy, limit where we can live, limit our food choices, limit how many children we can have.
This is the truth.

Electric trucks can only carry half what a diesel truck can carry and only transport it half as far, and then take forever to charge the batteries………this limits goods and services and raises the cost of everything catastrophically…an electric truck costs between 400-500 thousand dollars, a diesel about 150 thousand…..so that will crush independent trucking companies and Owner operators……this will also limit what will be available and will price most things out of reach of the poor and middle income ……

And it is all part of the plan…..

The left, and democrats are misanthropes……they simply hate people.

If we don’t wise up, and fast…..we are going to suffer…

Nolte: Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm’s Electric Car Road Trip Implodes

Jennifer Granholm decided to show America how great electric cars are -- and only proved the technology isn't even close to ready.

www.breitbart.com

Why did people using horses manage to have lots of kids?

 

[Moonglow]

Plus some electric vehicles have a bad habit of catching on fire.

GM warns some Bolt EV owners: Don't park them inside or charge them unattended overnight

Two Bolt EVs caught fire even after they were repaired as part of a recall of nearly 69,000 of the vehicles that were flagged for fire risks.

www.cnbc.com

It is wise not to give the battery wet.

Florida EV Fires | NFPA

EVs damaged in Hurricane Ian are catching fire in Florida

www.nfpa.org

An EV battery can be damaged in a fender bender.

EV Suffers Minor Fender Bender, Owner Stunned as Repair Bill Skyrockets to $42,000 When Mechanics Start Work

Even a small bump on an electric vehicle can mean big money in repairs, as one Rivian owner has discovered.

ijr.com

I’ll bet the insurance on an EV will be sky high.

EVs are simply not ready for prime time.

Salt water, since salt is a mineral will create a cuircut.

 

[ReinyDays]

Awwww ... poor baby ... won't be able to buy a muscle car when she grows up ... da Gen'ral Lee ain't da Gen'ral Lee without da pisson ring blow-by ...

The OP makes one stupid mistake, so one wonders how many more ... and if it's even worth looking into ... easiest just to dismiss her political rant ... she rather Wall Street brokers form our Death Panels rather than doctors ... not that I trust doctors, but they're better than stock brokers when it comes to surgery ...

Electric trucks carry half a piston-engined truck? ... is this what weighmasters are saying, e-trucks are rolling across scales at 17 tons? ... does the OP even know most states limit truckers to this 34 ton maximum (36 tons in Idaho) even though most trucks can carry lots and lots more ... farm equipment isn't subject to weight restrictions in Oregon, and they'll roll out at 60, 80 tons or more ... up to 108 tons safely ... these weights are just hell on the roadbed is all, the trucks do fine whether electric or diesel ...

The oil won't last ... NOW is the time to work out all the regulatory hurdles for the replacement energy source ... it might take 50 years just to design a new generation nuclear power plant ... so we'll need to start today if we want to break ground in Year 2073 ...

Saw a 1962 Ford Falcon the other day ... made me think that EV's don't have exhaust manifolds that warp ... so the future looks good unless you like changing motor oil ...

 

[Crick]

People need to understand something and they need to understand it as soon as possible. Electric cars and trucks are not meant to make moving around easier…..they are a tool to reduce our ability to make life choices. They will limit our access to energy, limit where we can live, limit our food choices, limit how many children we can have.
This is the truth.

No, it's dishonest, paranoid nonsense.

Electric trucks can only carry half what a diesel truck can carry and only transport it half as far, and then take forever to charge the batteries

Electric trains carry a hundred semis at a time across the country - across every country. Recent advancements from Toyota, GM and others will radically reduce charge time while increasing range. And it never took "forever to charge the batteries".

this limits goods and services and raises the cost of everything catastrophically

It hasn't so far. And the effects of global warming would be far, far more severe. The only reason you come to this conclusion: that adopting AGW mitigation measures will hurt us is that you choose to completely reject the overwhelming conclusions of mainstream science.

…an electric truck costs between 400-500 thousand dollars, a diesel about 150 thousand…..so that will crush independent trucking companies and Owner operators……this will also limit what will be available and will price most things out of reach of the poor and middle income ……

Prices will come down, Biden has extended tax rebates for EVs and since everyone will have to do it, there's no affect on competition.

And it is all part of the plan…..

Here comes the paranoia.

The left, and democrats are misanthropes……they simply hate people.

That explains their positions on civil rights, gender equality, universal health care, universal education and the environment as compared to those of, say, you.

If we don’t wise up, and fast…..we are going to suffer…

You do need to wise up.

 

[2aguy]

No, it's dishonest, paranoid nonsense.

Electric trains carry a hundred semis at a time across the country - across every country. Recent advancements from Toyota, GM and others will radically reduce charge time while increasing range. And it never took "forever to charge the batteries".

It hasn't so far. And the effects of global warming would be far, far more severe. The only reason you come to this conclusion: that adopting AGW mitigation measures will hurt us is that you choose to completely reject the overwhelming conclusions of mainstream science.

Prices will come down, Biden has extended tax rebates for EVs and since everyone will have to do it, there's no affect on competition.

Here comes the paranoia.

That explains their positions on civil rights, gender equality, universal health care, universal education and the environment as compared to those of, say, you.


You do need to wise up.

What a bunch of crap....

All other long-distance passenger service and, with rare exceptions, all freight is hauled by diesel-electric locomotives.

Electric locomotive - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Tax rebates for electric cars? Really.......80,000 dollar car, here's your 7 grand....now middle and low income, go get your electric car.....

 

[Flash]

So upset over the choices of others. You authoritarians and your desire to control what others can own is pretty creepy. Not as creepy as the monsters you see under every bed but creepy all the same.

We aren't upset that the dumbasses buy the stupid vehicles.

We just like to ridicule the idiots.

 

[2aguy]

Awwww ... poor baby ... won't be able to buy a muscle car when she grows up ... da Gen'ral Lee ain't da Gen'ral Lee without da pisson ring blow-by ...

The OP makes one stupid mistake, so one wonders how many more ... and if it's even worth looking into ... easiest just to dismiss her political rant ... she rather Wall Street brokers form our Death Panels rather than doctors ... not that I trust doctors, but they're better than stock brokers when it comes to surgery ...

Electric trucks carry half a piston-engined truck? ... is this what weighmasters are saying, e-trucks are rolling across scales at 17 tons? ... does the OP even know most states limit truckers to this 34 ton maximum (36 tons in Idaho) even though most trucks can carry lots and lots more ... farm equipment isn't subject to weight restrictions in Oregon, and they'll roll out at 60, 80 tons or more ... up to 108 tons safely ... these weights are just hell on the roadbed is all, the trucks do fine whether electric or diesel ...

The oil won't last ... NOW is the time to work out all the regulatory hurdles for the replacement energy source ... it might take 50 years just to design a new generation nuclear power plant ... so we'll need to start today if we want to break ground in Year 2073 ...

Saw a 1962 Ford Falcon the other day ... made me think that EV's don't have exhaust manifolds that warp ... so the future looks good unless you like changing motor oil ...

You are an idiot....no wonder you back the misanthopic, global warming cult....

1. Capacity. As a consequence of being heavier, electric trucks can’t carry as much freight as diesel trucks. The head of the trade association for California drayage truckers said that companies will need to double the size of their fleets just to haul the same amount of freight they currently do.

Electric Trucks Are Worse than Diesel Trucks | National Review

It’s a classic case of California regulatory policy: over-ambition in goals combined with underperformance in governance.

www.nationalreview.com

You guys are people hating idiots......you don't care that you will cost middle and lower income huge amounts for basic goods and services......

Today, a clean diesel truck can spend 15 minutes fueling anywhere in the country and then travel about 1,200 miles before fueling again. In contrast, today’s long-haul battery electric trucks have a range of about 150-330 miles and can take up to 10 hours to charge.

A new, clean-diesel long-haul tractor typically costs in the range of $180,000 to $200,000. A comparable battery-electric tractor costs upwards of $480,000. That $300,000 upcharge is cost-prohibitive for the overwhelming majority of motor carriers. More than 95% of trucking companies are small businesses operating ten trucks or fewer.

Complying with these mandates will push many carriers out of business and tighten capacity nationwide, causing severe price inflation for all goods.

Weight factors are another inconvenient truth. Battery-electric trucks, which run on two approx. 8,000-lb. lithium iron batteries, are far heavier than their clean-diesel counterparts.

Since trucks are subject to strict federal weight limits, mandating battery-electric will decrease the payload of each truck, putting more trucks on the road and increasing both traffic congestion and tailpipe emissions.

A heavy dose of reality for electric-truck mandates

www.trucking.org