Endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights

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    It says in the declaration of independence that all men (he would have said women to if he were alive today) are endowed by their creator certain inalienable rights. I know some of you 'liberals' who read this will deny that as an historical fact but let me cut and past the exact words from the text for you.

    Thomas Jefferson did not say that rights were given to us by God in this document but by their creator which could mean different things to different people. A person who believes that God created the universe believes that his creator gave him those inalienable rights. It does not matter if you think that the universe was a statistical accident because whatever was responsible for your existence also gave you those same rights. In other words, no matter what you believe was responsible for your existence it does not change the fact that that thing that was responsible for it also granted you "certain unalienable Rights" with it.

    Those that say rights are God-given are just paraphrasing this concept because they believe God is their creator and that creator gave them those rights.

    Now, since governments are created by people then, by the same token, it should make sense that whatever rights the government has was given to them by the people that it governs since it was the people that created it.
     
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    Disagree. Men deemed what were and were not unalienable rights, and so, they're alienable.
     
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    Yes, we all know that it's in the Declaration of Independence.

    But it's rhetoric.

    What defines a right?
     
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    Is there a point in here somewhere?
     
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    I think ihopehefails is a college student somewhere, testing out philosophical questions about rights on the messageboard before he writes some ridiculous paper on it. He starts one or two threads like this a day.
     
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    I agree.
     
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    given the O/P, that's rhetorical, right?
     
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    I know people pass laws restricting the freedom of other people all the time but that is not a justification for the theft of someone's freedom because if it was then slaves had no right to be free because 'men deemed what were and were not unalienable rights' for them.

    Thieves and murderers also decide what rights are inalienable. A thief decides that someone's right to their property is removable but decides that person's right to their life is also unremoveable while a murderer decides that a person's right to live is removable. Doesn't the victim have an absolute say in what their rights are over these matters?

    What if it is a group of thieves or murderers who collectively decide to do it and sanctify their actions by saying it is the will of the collective? What makes the collective so holy that anything it thinks of is the equal to the will of God?
     
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    I'm trying to find the logic in what you're saying..........but I can't.

    Are you saying that "because evil men can be in power, a creator gave us unalienable rights?" --because, it REALLY looks like that's the logic you're using, and frankly it's quite retarted.

    Has it ever dawned on you that maybe..........just MAYBE, mankind has been inherently good for the most part? Moms, Dads, Hero's, etc.

    Money and resources is what fucks it all up.


    And yea, men declared what rights were unalienable. I looked, but I couldn't find a video of someone else doing so.
     
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    ihopehefails has the inalienable right to be insufferable.
     

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