End Prohibition.

[Ringel05]

I recall the 60's and 70's an the drugs we took and smoked. PCP laced pot was around then too so it's nothing new. Furthermore it's and awful high and I strongly recommend no one use it.

Anything else?

Raid, Windex, hair spray, etc. Without quality controls and some dealers playing fast and loose with what they do to their supply....... I don't have a problem with legalizing pot as long as the quality controls are in place and enforced. Where did you "assume" that I did?

I didn't assume anything. I haven't bought pot for years now. I was just wonder what they could be lacing it with now that is so bad that wasn't available then. The best was some free-base laced pot........ and I don't think there is any (better/worse) than that combination!

Really, it was for a research paper, not that I want to experiment or anything, (nudge nudge, wink wink)

I think legalizing any drug would/should come with regulations regarding purity as well as quality.

Then I misread your intent. Sorry.

 

[Mr Liberty]

This message is hidden because Mr. Shaman is on your ignore list I will never get tired of reading that.

Leave this up to the states. The federal government has no business in making or enforcing drug laws. Everything they have done is ineffective and expensive. I see no evidence that the current laws prevent anyone from buying drugs. I do see a lot of evidence that these laws assist organized crime.
The system they have in Amsterdam seems to work well. I never head of drive by shootings while I was there.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

You really want to make crystal meth and other hard drugs legal? I'm not so sure, I have seen the effects alot of these drugs have and having an open air drug market? I don't know.

Yes. W/o a single doubt.

The only drugs I have not had a chance to try is meth and pcp. Everything else has been at my beck and call.

The idea that it all being legal will lead to greater addiction is utter non-sense.

Even if it did, the gains we would get out weigh the losses.

Then you obviously have no concept of the human condition. Would the gains out weigh the losses? Maybe yes, maybe no, there's only one way to find out and what if you're wrong.

So.....you prefer paranoia, over calculated-risks, huh?

You sound like someone who'd have preferred the Brits running this Country, back in the 1700s....'cause there'd have been less a chance of trouble, that way.

You worry, much, about having an adrenaline-overdose?

You think too-much excitement, in your Life, is gonna cancel your "pass" thru The Pearly Gates? What if you're wrong, about that?!!​

 

[Two Thumbs]

This message is hidden because Mr. Shaman is on your ignore list I will never get tired of reading that.

Leave this up to the states. The federal government has no business in making or enforcing drug laws. Everything they have done is ineffective and expensive. I see no evidence that the current laws prevent anyone from buying drugs. I do see a lot of evidence that these laws assist organized crime.
The system they have in Amsterdam seems to work well. I never head of drive by shootings while I was there.

We could certainly leave it to the states.

I lived in a "dry county", no booze could be sold inside it's limits. Funny thing, there was a package store on all roads leading into it.

 

[BlindBoo]

I see where you're coming from but take a look at cocaine, who were the primary users in the 80s? It wasn't the teens.

Me

But I did try it first as a teenager.

But I do understand your point on cocaine and the age of the average first time user. I think it might have to do with wealth too.

Don't limit you demographics for anything, it's kinda silly and does nothing more than skew the results.

I thought we were discussing Human Nature.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Wringel, I have to disagree with you. I was in my late teens and twenties in the '60s. Drugs were easily available. I never tried any of them because of really bad reactions from legal drugs. I had many friends that tried them a few times and just decided they were not worth it.

The same people that get hung up on drugs are usually the same people that have problems with alcohol. Perhaps, rather than running a multi-billion dollar enforcement and incarceration system, we should be trying to address those defects in physiology and psychology that create addicts to whatever substance.

And I have to disagree with you. The drugs of the 60s and 70s that we did are not even remotely as addictive or as dangerous as the drugs available today. Hell today the have "super pot" which is laced with God knows what and some of those substances are highly addictive. Addictive personality is one thing, highly addictive substances pay no attention to personality.

Legal products will be regulated. So dangerous substances will not be allowed [hopefully]

How are dangerous-substances more dangerous, than dangerous-items?​

 

[Ringel05]

Yes. W/o a single doubt.

The only drugs I have not had a chance to try is meth and pcp. Everything else has been at my beck and call.

The idea that it all being legal will lead to greater addiction is utter non-sense.

Even if it did, the gains we would get out weigh the losses.

Then you obviously have no concept of the human condition. Would the gains out weigh the losses? Maybe yes, maybe no, there's only one way to find out and what if you're wrong.

So.....you prefer paranoia, over calculated-risks, huh?

You sound like someone who'd have preferred the Brits running this Country, back in the 1700s....'cause there'd have been less a chance of trouble, that way.

You worry, much, about having an adrenaline-overdose?

You think too-much excitement, in your Life, is gonna cancel your "pass" thru The Pearly Gates? What if you're wrong, about that?!!​

Once again, instead of reading ALL of my posts, (it's amazing that you actually can read, at the 2nd grade level you do read at), you choose to pick the ones you think (there's another phenomenon concerning you) you might disagree with, make some very broad assumptions, then attack. Pathetic, honestly pathetic.

 

[High_Gravity]

This message is hidden because Mr. Shaman is on your ignore list I will never get tired of reading that.

Leave this up to the states. The federal government has no business in making or enforcing drug laws. Everything they have done is ineffective and expensive. I see no evidence that the current laws prevent anyone from buying drugs. I do see a lot of evidence that these laws assist organized crime.
The system they have in Amsterdam seems to work well. I never head of drive by shootings while I was there.

We could certainly leave it to the states.

I lived in a "dry county", no booze could be sold inside it's limits. Funny thing, there was a package store on all roads leading into it.

I could NEVER live in a dry county, sounds like hell.

 

[Ringel05]

Me

But I did try it first as a teenager.

But I do understand your point on cocaine and the age of the average first time user. I think it might have to do with wealth too.

Don't limit you demographics for anything, it's kinda silly and does nothing more than skew the results.

I thought we were discussing Human Nature.

Demographics can be applied to human nature in terms of individual and group dynamics.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Oh and lets not forget the added health care costs to tax payers, cost to families (destruction of lives and all that entails) and the increase of other crimes as potentially thousands of new addicts find ways to fuel their habit.
And no, I'm not talking about pot.

The health care system is currently paying for them now. If the drugs were legally available the cost would much less that would not have to resort to crime to pay for their drug of choice.

Bingo!!

If some individual prefers some kind of day-labor/minimum-wage job....just-enough to cover his daily-expenses/addiction, who's to say that's "wrong"?​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Have you tried heroin? my brother is an ex heroin addict and he is totally useless, he is totally unable to hold down a job or sustain himself at all, I would not want that available for anyone to buy.

I'm sorry to hear that. And forgive me for using him;

After seeing what it did to your brother.

did you ever try it?
Hang around people who did?
Do your utmost to keep people from it?
Did he have no idea what could happen to him

You can get just as screwed up on drinking to much, eating to much and smoking to much.

You can use him if you want, hes a scumbag and I could honestly care less anymore, hes stretched the limits of my patience and kindess. I'll answer your questions,

did you ever try it? No, never had a interest.
Hang around people who did? No.
Do your utmost to keep people from it? Sure but thats hard if the person is an addict.
Did he have no idea what could happen to him?Sure he knew, but he was under the impression he could control it, most addicts think they can.

Ya' ever ask him what his biggest-disappointment was, during the course of his Life?​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Try getting the facts and asking a question instead of being snide. The ban on drugs has prevented many people from not "experimenting", remove the ban and what happens? People who's fear of the illegality consequences start experimenting, some drugs are much more addictive than others, ergo....... If you understood human nature you would understand this.

WHEW!!!!

It's been a long time since I've heard a non-user as clueless....yet, as presumptuous.....as you!!!

That's why people, like you, aren't allowed to develop anti-drug legislation, anymore.....

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQp33TIlsYQ]YouTube - Grass, A Marijuana History Narrated by Woody Harrelson.Pt1[/ame]​

Coming from you any ignorant insult is a compliment, it shows extreme intelligence in anyone you're attacking.
I guess you missed the part where I said I wasn't including pot in my assessment. Pretty fucking stupid of you, but hey, it's expected.

Keep goin'!!!!!

Let's hear you defend your presumptions....based on ZIP!!!

The ban, on drugs, has kept YOU from "experimenting"?????​

 

[High_Gravity]

I'm sorry to hear that. And forgive me for using him;

After seeing what it did to your brother.

did you ever try it?
Hang around people who did?
Do your utmost to keep people from it?
Did he have no idea what could happen to him

You can get just as screwed up on drinking to much, eating to much and smoking to much.

You can use him if you want, hes a scumbag and I could honestly care less anymore, hes stretched the limits of my patience and kindess. I'll answer your questions,

did you ever try it? No, never had a interest.
Hang around people who did? No.
Do your utmost to keep people from it? Sure but thats hard if the person is an addict.
Did he have no idea what could happen to him?Sure he knew, but he was under the impression he could control it, most addicts think they can.

Ya' ever ask him what his biggest-disappointment was, during the course of his Life?​

Nope, I haven't talked to him in over 5 years, if we ever saw each other again I think one of us would end up dead.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

And I have to disagree with you. The drugs of the 60s and 70s that we did are not even remotely as addictive or as dangerous as the drugs available today. Hell today the have "super pot" which is laced with God knows what and some of those substances are highly addictive. Addictive personality is one thing, highly addictive substances pay no attention to personality.

You seem to be a little vague about your information. Anything specific besides "God knows what" or "highly addictive substances"?

PCP ring any bells?

Gee....what don't you know about PCP....much like everything-else?

​

 

[MikeK]

We hear, every now and then, legalize pot. Why just pot? It’s not the vast money maker coke and meth are.

Actually, marijuana is the most profitable illegal drug.

Marijuana | Medill National Security Zone

Some like to claim we can collect taxes on pot. Bit of a stretch, since it’s a weed and will grow damn near anywhere grass [actual grass] can.

Actually marijuana is not as easy to grow as you might suppose and not everyone is in a position to grow it, nor would everyone who likes marijuana prefer to grow it rather than buy it -- as long as the price is reasonable. (Now that liquor is readily available in stores there are not too many "stills" operating.)

So if we made all drugs legal, we could do away with the DEA, and transfer the officers and agents elsewhere. And THEN we could collect taxes on harder to make narcotics. It would save money and lives.

Very true. This would be a good thing but drug money corruption is so widely and firmly imbedded that it will take a major political revolution to break the back of the monster.

Legalize prostitution. Last I heard, it’s still considered the oldest profession. We could transfer officers from picking up whores to other areas where real crime is occurring.

I agree.

Same goes for gambling. Tons of money is made by casinos. Why would anyone not want the tax money that comes from that?

If we legalize it, gangs have little else to work with. Street dealers will need to get jobs. Whores will have the justice system on their side. We will pay less to keep users in jail.

But the government is our parents, and to make sure we don’t do these things they will send us to jail and ruin our lives. And there are people out there that actually think America will collapse if we did.

If I wanted to get high, I would. If it is made legal, I would still tell my kids not to.

How about you?

Me, too!

 

[Mr. Shaman]

PCP ring any bells?

I recall the 60's and 70's an the drugs we took and smoked. PCP laced pot was around then too so it's nothing new. Furthermore it's and awful high and I strongly recommend no one use it.

Anything else?

Raid, Windex, hair spray, etc. Without quality controls and some dealers playing fast and loose with what they do to their supply.......

You know dealers who've done this....or, are these lil' gems something you picked-up from Readers Digest, a church-group, the PTA, an ad (on T.V.)....or, are these factoids merely a result o' what they say?

​

 

[Two Thumbs]

This message is hidden because Mr. Shaman is on your ignore list I will never get tired of reading that.

Leave this up to the states. The federal government has no business in making or enforcing drug laws. Everything they have done is ineffective and expensive. I see no evidence that the current laws prevent anyone from buying drugs. I do see a lot of evidence that these laws assist organized crime.
The system they have in Amsterdam seems to work well. I never head of drive by shootings while I was there.

We could certainly leave it to the states.

I lived in a "dry county", no booze could be sold inside it's limits. Funny thing, there was a package store on all roads leading into it.

I could NEVER live in a dry county, sounds like hell.

We all went to the lake and drank instead of a bar or club. or drove 30 miles to the "big city". it wasn't really all that different.

 

[High_Gravity]

We could certainly leave it to the states.

I lived in a "dry county", no booze could be sold inside it's limits. Funny thing, there was a package store on all roads leading into it.

I could NEVER live in a dry county, sounds like hell.

We all went to the lake and drank instead of a bar or club. or drove 30 miles to the "big city". it wasn't really all that different.

So if I am barbequing on my front porch and I'm guzzling a 40 and someone sees me, will I get arrested? I can't do the dry county thing man, reminds me too much of my time in Kuwait when we had so sneak booze like it was cocaine or something.

 

[Two Thumbs]

We hear, every now and then, legalize pot. Why just pot? It’s not the vast money maker coke and meth are.

Actually, marijuana is the most profitable illegal drug.

Marijuana | Medill National Security Zone

Some like to claim we can collect taxes on pot. Bit of a stretch, since it’s a weed and will grow damn near anywhere grass [actual grass] can.

Actually marijuana is not as easy to grow as you might suppose and not everyone is in a position to grow it, nor would everyone who likes marijuana prefer to grow it rather than buy it -- as long as the price is reasonable. (Now that liquor is readily available in stores there are not too many "stills" operating.)


Very true. This would be a good thing but drug money corruption is so widely and firmly imbedded that it will take a major political revolution to break the back of the monster.

Legalize prostitution. Last I heard, it’s still considered the oldest profession. We could transfer officers from picking up whores to other areas where real crime is occurring.

I agree.

Same goes for gambling. Tons of money is made by casinos. Why would anyone not want the tax money that comes from that?

If we legalize it, gangs have little else to work with. Street dealers will need to get jobs. Whores will have the justice system on their side. We will pay less to keep users in jail.

But the government is our parents, and to make sure we don’t do these things they will send us to jail and ruin our lives. And there are people out there that actually think America will collapse if we did.

If I wanted to get high, I would. If it is made legal, I would still tell my kids not to.

How about you?

Me, too!

Thanks about the value of pot update. My info may be outed as I thought due to the size, and value per ounce it did create as much profit.

Far as growing; You can pick up a "High Times" mag and learn most of what you need to know. Granted there will be a market for high end product, but comparing it to the work and equipment needed for a still, is a bit of a stretch. Mostly cuz I knew a guy that grew his in his closet using a neon light.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Why are you limiting your view to only one age group?

I'd bet there would be more than a handfull of adults that would try this or that. I can't see addiction becoming a bigger problem than it is now.

Even if it did, it beats getting killed in drive bys

I am not arguing against your preposition, I am simply pointing out some potential pitfalls which the pro-deregulation folks either ignore or intentionally dismiss because it might harm their argument.

Yeah.....I've heard o' people doing that.....

...and, been embraced.