End Prohibition.

[High_Gravity]

You really want to make crystal meth and other hard drugs legal? I'm not so sure, I have seen the effects alot of these drugs have and having an open air drug market? I don't know.

Yes. W/o a single doubt.

The only drugs I have not had a chance to try is meth and pcp. Everything else has been at my beck and call.

The idea that it all being legal will lead to greater addiction is utter non-sense.

Even if it did, the gains we would get out weigh the losses.

Have you tried heroin? my brother is an ex heroin addict and he is totally useless, he is totally unable to hold down a job or sustain himself at all, I would not want that available for anyone to buy.

 

[Ringel05]

Wringel, I have to disagree with you. I was in my late teens and twenties in the '60s. Drugs were easily available. I never tried any of them because of really bad reactions from legal drugs. I had many friends that tried them a few times and just decided they were not worth it.

The same people that get hung up on drugs are usually the same people that have problems with alcohol. Perhaps, rather than running a multi-billion dollar enforcement and incarceration system, we should be trying to address those defects in physiology and psychology that create addicts to whatever substance.

And I have to disagree with you. The drugs of the 60s and 70s that we did are not even remotely as addictive or as dangerous as the drugs available today. Hell today the have "super pot" which is laced with God knows what and some of those substances are highly addictive. Addictive personality is one thing, highly addictive substances pay no attention to personality.

 

[Two Thumbs]

We shouldn't have laws "just incase something bad might happen".

If we did that we would have to outlaw;
driving
flying
taking the train
3D movies
most medicine
working
the internet
etc, etc

 

[Ringel05]

You really want to make crystal meth and other hard drugs legal? I'm not so sure, I have seen the effects alot of these drugs have and having an open air drug market? I don't know.

Yes. W/o a single doubt.

The only drugs I have not had a chance to try is meth and pcp. Everything else has been at my beck and call.

The idea that it all being legal will lead to greater addiction is utter non-sense.

Even if it did, the gains we would get out weigh the losses.

Then you obviously have no concept of the human condition. Would the gains out weigh the losses? Maybe yes, maybe no, there's only one way to find out and what if you're wrong.

 

[BlindBoo]

I agree with everything you said.

 

[Two Thumbs]

You really want to make crystal meth and other hard drugs legal? I'm not so sure, I have seen the effects alot of these drugs have and having an open air drug market? I don't know.

Yes. W/o a single doubt.

The only drugs I have not had a chance to try is meth and pcp. Everything else has been at my beck and call.

The idea that it all being legal will lead to greater addiction is utter non-sense.

Even if it did, the gains we would get out weigh the losses.

Have you tried heroin? my brother is an ex heroin addict and he is totally useless, he is totally unable to hold down a job or sustain himself at all, I would not want that available for anyone to buy.

I'm sorry to hear that. And forgive me for using him;

After seeing what it did to your brother.

did you ever try it?
Hang around people who did?
Do your utmost to keep people from it?
Did he have no idea what could happen to him?

You can get just as screwed up on drinking to much, eating to much and smoking to much.

 

[Ringel05]

We shouldn't have laws "just incase something bad might happen".

If we did that we would have to outlaw;
driving
flying
taking the train
3D movies
most medicine
working
the internet
etc, etc

I'm simply pointing out the real potential issues that you guys seem to want to ignore or dismiss. Never said I agreed or disagreed with your OP.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Oh and lets not forget the added health care costs to tax payers, cost to families (destruction of lives and all that entails) and the increase of other crimes as potentially thousands of new addicts find ways to fuel their habit.
And no, I'm not talking about pot.

Please list the accomplishments of the drug war from preventing people from using.

Try getting the facts and asking a question instead of being snide. The ban on drugs has prevented many people from not "experimenting", remove the ban and what happens? People who's fear of the illegality consequences start experimenting, some drugs are much more addictive than others, ergo....... If you understood human nature you would understand this.

WHEW!!!!

It's been a long time since I've heard a non-user as clueless....yet, as presumptuous.....as you!!!

That's why people, like you, aren't allowed to develop anti-drug legislation, anymore.....

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQp33TIlsYQ]YouTube - Grass, A Marijuana History Narrated by Woody Harrelson.Pt1[/ame]​

 

[Two Thumbs]

Wringel, I have to disagree with you. I was in my late teens and twenties in the '60s. Drugs were easily available. I never tried any of them because of really bad reactions from legal drugs. I had many friends that tried them a few times and just decided they were not worth it.

The same people that get hung up on drugs are usually the same people that have problems with alcohol. Perhaps, rather than running a multi-billion dollar enforcement and incarceration system, we should be trying to address those defects in physiology and psychology that create addicts to whatever substance.

And I have to disagree with you. The drugs of the 60s and 70s that we did are not even remotely as addictive or as dangerous as the drugs available today. Hell today the have "super pot" which is laced with God knows what and some of those substances are highly addictive. Addictive personality is one thing, highly addictive substances pay no attention to personality.

Legal products will be regulated. So dangerous substances will not be allowed [hopefully]

 

[BlindBoo]

Oh and lets not forget the added health care costs to tax payers, cost to families (destruction of lives and all that entails) and the increase of other crimes as potentially thousands of new addicts find ways to fuel their habit.
And no, I'm not talking about pot.

The health care system is currently paying for them now. If the drugs were legally available the cost would much less that would not have to resort to crime to pay for their drug of choice.

 

[Two Thumbs]

You really want to make crystal meth and other hard drugs legal? I'm not so sure, I have seen the effects alot of these drugs have and having an open air drug market? I don't know.

Yes. W/o a single doubt.

The only drugs I have not had a chance to try is meth and pcp. Everything else has been at my beck and call.

The idea that it all being legal will lead to greater addiction is utter non-sense.

Even if it did, the gains we would get out weigh the losses.

Then you obviously have no concept of the human condition. Would the gains out weigh the losses? Maybe yes, maybe no, there's only one way to find out and what if you're wrong.

If I'm wrong, we can easily make them illegal again.

what we are doing now isn't working.

 

[High_Gravity]

Yes. W/o a single doubt.

The only drugs I have not had a chance to try is meth and pcp. Everything else has been at my beck and call.

The idea that it all being legal will lead to greater addiction is utter non-sense.

Even if it did, the gains we would get out weigh the losses.

Have you tried heroin? my brother is an ex heroin addict and he is totally useless, he is totally unable to hold down a job or sustain himself at all, I would not want that available for anyone to buy.

I'm sorry to hear that. And forgive me for using him;

After seeing what it did to your brother.

did you ever try it?
Hang around people who did?
Do your utmost to keep people from it?
Did he have no idea what could happen to him

You can get just as screwed up on drinking to much, eating to much and smoking to much.

You can use him if you want, hes a scumbag and I could honestly care less anymore, hes stretched the limits of my patience and kindess. I'll answer your questions,

did you ever try it? No, never had a interest.
Hang around people who did? No.
Do your utmost to keep people from it? Sure but thats hard if the person is an addict.
Did he have no idea what could happen to him?Sure he knew, but he was under the impression he could control it, most addicts think they can.

 

[Ringel05]

Please list the accomplishments of the drug war from preventing people from using.

Try getting the facts and asking a question instead of being snide. The ban on drugs has prevented many people from not "experimenting", remove the ban and what happens? People who's fear of the illegality consequences start experimenting, some drugs are much more addictive than others, ergo....... If you understood human nature you would understand this.

WHEW!!!!

It's been a long time since I've heard a non-user as clueless....yet, as presumptuous.....as you!!!

That's why people, like you, aren't allowed to develop anti-drug legislation, anymore.....

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQp33TIlsYQ]YouTube - Grass, A Marijuana History Narrated by Woody Harrelson.Pt1[/ame]​

Coming from you any ignorant insult is a compliment, it shows extreme intelligence in anyone you're attacking.
I guess you missed the part where I said I wasn't including pot in my assessment. Pretty fucking stupid of you, but hey, it's expected.

 

[Ringel05]

Yes. W/o a single doubt.

The only drugs I have not had a chance to try is meth and pcp. Everything else has been at my beck and call.

The idea that it all being legal will lead to greater addiction is utter non-sense.

Even if it did, the gains we would get out weigh the losses.

Then you obviously have no concept of the human condition. Would the gains out weigh the losses? Maybe yes, maybe no, there's only one way to find out and what if you're wrong.

If I'm wrong, we can easily make them illegal again.

what we are doing now isn't working.

Easily make them illegal again? You're kidding right?

 

[BlindBoo]

Wringel, I have to disagree with you. I was in my late teens and twenties in the '60s. Drugs were easily available. I never tried any of them because of really bad reactions from legal drugs. I had many friends that tried them a few times and just decided they were not worth it.

The same people that get hung up on drugs are usually the same people that have problems with alcohol. Perhaps, rather than running a multi-billion dollar enforcement and incarceration system, we should be trying to address those defects in physiology and psychology that create addicts to whatever substance.

And I have to disagree with you. The drugs of the 60s and 70s that we did are not even remotely as addictive or as dangerous as the drugs available today. Hell today the have "super pot" which is laced with God knows what and some of those substances are highly addictive. Addictive personality is one thing, highly addictive substances pay no attention to personality.

You seem to be a little vague about your information. Anything specific besides "God knows what" or "highly addictive substances"?

 

[Two Thumbs]

We shouldn't have laws "just incase something bad might happen".

If we did that we would have to outlaw;
driving
flying
taking the train
3D movies
most medicine
working
the internet
etc, etc

I'm simply pointing out the real potential issues that you guys seem to want to ignore or dismiss. Never said I agreed or disagreed with your OP.

Sorry,

I'm not dismissing the potential hazards. I'm dismissing the rhetoric of the hazards. Clearly I dumped you in the pool with the "America will go down in flames" crowd. And I am sorry about that.

After we ended prohabition, crime went down, and America didn't burst into flames.

We make drugs legal; Street gangs lose thier reasons to kill each other over turf. They lose thier main income. Many will turn to other crimes, but you can't feed your self just robbing people. Most will have to get a job or starve.

Whores that get slapped around can now, w/o fear, cal the cops.

Illegal gambling, mostly run by the mob, is gone. The mob loses money and power.

We will need fewer cops, fewer prison and fewer lawyers.


Are you gonna let your kids roll into your home with a crack pipe hanging out thier mouths if it's legal?

No, and neither will all other non-addicted parents.

 

[Ringel05]

Wringel, I have to disagree with you. I was in my late teens and twenties in the '60s. Drugs were easily available. I never tried any of them because of really bad reactions from legal drugs. I had many friends that tried them a few times and just decided they were not worth it.

The same people that get hung up on drugs are usually the same people that have problems with alcohol. Perhaps, rather than running a multi-billion dollar enforcement and incarceration system, we should be trying to address those defects in physiology and psychology that create addicts to whatever substance.

And I have to disagree with you. The drugs of the 60s and 70s that we did are not even remotely as addictive or as dangerous as the drugs available today. Hell today the have "super pot" which is laced with God knows what and some of those substances are highly addictive. Addictive personality is one thing, highly addictive substances pay no attention to personality.

You seem to be a little vague about your information. Anything specific besides "God knows what" or "highly addictive substances"?

PCP ring any bells?

 

[BlindBoo]

Oh and lets not forget the added health care costs to tax payers, cost to families (destruction of lives and all that entails) and the increase of other crimes as potentially thousands of new addicts find ways to fuel their habit.
And no, I'm not talking about pot.

Please list the accomplishments of the drug war from preventing people from using.

Try getting the facts and asking a question instead of being snide. The ban on drugs has prevented many people from not "experimenting", remove the ban and what happens? People who's fear of the illegality consequences start experimenting, some drugs are much more addictive than others, ergo....... If you understood human nature you would understand this.

I think the majority of experimenting comes at an early age when fear of illegality is something that very few teenagers engage in. Peer pressure is more important than laws. That's human nature.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Please list the accomplishments of the drug war from preventing people from using.

Try getting the facts and asking a question instead of being snide. The ban on drugs has prevented many people from not "experimenting", remove the ban and what happens? People who's fear of the illegality consequences start experimenting, some drugs are much more addictive than others, ergo....... If you understood human nature you would understand this.

Exactly, legalize hard drugs and instead of stupid college kids guzzling four lokos at frat parties they will be smoking meth and doing lines of cocaine.

....Mostly because they're not doing that, already, right?

 

[Two Thumbs]

Then you obviously have no concept of the human condition. Would the gains out weigh the losses? Maybe yes, maybe no, there's only one way to find out and what if you're wrong.

If I'm wrong, we can easily make them illegal again.

what we are doing now isn't working.

Easily make them illegal again? You're kidding right?

No.

It took some propaganda to do in pot. But it was one man on a mission to save his industry.
Everything else took little to nothing to be made illegal.

Pols love to tell people how they are looking out for and took care of the voters.