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your excuses for abortion will never wipe the blood of children off your hands,,The recent ruling by an Alabama judge has ignited a firestorm in both sides of the reproductive rights community: frozen embryos have full legal personhood rights. This has split Republican lawmakers who are, on the one hand applauding the decision while simultaneously scrambling to enact legislation to carve out a niche for IVF by redefining when an embryo is considered a person.
Florida proposed an amendment to a legislative bill being considered:Republican lawmakers in Florida had proposed an amendment to the bill, the same week as the Alabama ruling, to define “unborn child” as a human “at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb.” The change would likely protect IVF patients and doctors, but it remains uncertain whether it would be in any final version the full Legislature were to vote on.
That raises questions too.
The issue of abortion is one of competing rights: weighing a woman’s right to bodily autonomy against a fetus’ right to life. But with frozen embryos, there are no competing rights.
So what exactly does this mean?
- With abortion does ”full personhood” mean that unless a woman is at death’s door, she cannot act to save her life?
- Does it mean every miscarriage is a potential crime scene?
- Will embryos be claimed as dependents on taxes? Will they get child support?
- Will they even be US citizens? Isn’t birth/born a stipulation there?
With frozen embryos it is even more tricky:
How can you ethically have a “carve out” for IVF embryos but not implanted embryos?
- How can an embryo, implanted in a uterus be given “personhood” rights while an identical embryo, that is frozen, not be?
- Will fathers of frozen embryos be liable for child support for each one?
- If they must remain stored into perpetuity…who pays?
- Can you claim them as dependents?
- If something happens that accidently destroys hundreds of stored embryos…should the person responsible face hundreds of counts of homicide charges?
Note: I put this in CDZ to hopefully have a real discussion as this latest ruling moves the debate beyond abortion.
I understand it completely.... it is not political.... Of course the media is desperate to link it to abortion rights and it is laughable at best...You don't understand the situation.
The dependent aspect interesting. So 7 frozen embryos makes for 7 deductions.your excuses for abortion will never wipe the blood of children off your hands,,
and this personhood crap is the same thing you dems say about black people to justify slavery and other ways you use blacks,,
This ruling is as dumb as giving corporations the same rights as a living human being.The recent ruling by an Alabama judge has ignited a firestorm in both sides of the reproductive rights community: frozen embryos have full legal personhood rights. This has split Republican lawmakers who are, on the one hand applauding the decision while simultaneously scrambling to enact legislation to carve out a niche for IVF by redefining when an embryo is considered a person.
Florida proposed an amendment to a legislative bill being considered:Republican lawmakers in Florida had proposed an amendment to the bill, the same week as the Alabama ruling, to define “unborn child” as a human “at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb.” The change would likely protect IVF patients and doctors, but it remains uncertain whether it would be in any final version the full Legislature were to vote on.
That raises questions too.
The issue of abortion is one of competing rights: weighing a woman’s right to bodily autonomy against a fetus’ right to life. But with frozen embryos, there are no competing rights.
So what exactly does this mean?
- With abortion does ”full personhood” mean that unless a woman is at death’s door, she cannot act to save her life?
- Does it mean every miscarriage is a potential crime scene?
- Will embryos be claimed as dependents on taxes? Will they get child support?
- Will they even be US citizens? Isn’t birth/born a stipulation there?
With frozen embryos it is even more tricky:
How can you ethically have a “carve out” for IVF embryos but not implanted embryos?
- How can an embryo, implanted in a uterus be given “personhood” rights while an identical embryo, that is frozen, not be?
- Will fathers of frozen embryos be liable for child support for each one?
- If they must remain stored into perpetuity…who pays?
- Can you claim them as dependents?
- If something happens that accidently destroys hundreds of stored embryos…should the person responsible face hundreds of counts of homicide charges?
Note: I put this in CDZ to hopefully have a real discussion as this latest ruling moves the debate beyond abortion.
You totally blew past the OP. Got anything to say addressing it?your excuses for abortion will never wipe the blood of children off your hands,,
and this personhood crap is the same thing you dems say about black people to justify slavery and other ways you use blacks,,
whats the tax code/law sayThe dependent aspect interesting. So 7 frozen embryos makes for 7 deductions.
yeah,,You totally blew past the OP. Got anything to say addressing it?
You don't understand the situation.
How does that address the op?yeah,,
you should have been happy with safe legal and rare,,
that you should have left well enough alone,,How does that address the op?
Is Trump the one who dropped the sperm? The items only make me nine months older than my date of birth record then and the whole system will need to be overhauled because of the Bible and a judge...This got started by a women who walked into a freezer and dropped some embryos and destroyed them... the donors or parents if you will asked to sue for wrongful death... the judge said yes you may... this is all that is... the left and their media of course want to try and link it to abortion rights and it has nothing to do with that...
Trump to his credit didn't fall for it...
In a sane society ... the idea of aborting a child should never be welcome or acceptable. I can think of no other living creature that even considers circumventing nature's path. Pregnant lions, seals, or pythons don't line up in clinics seeking to abort their future generations.The recent ruling by an Alabama judge has ignited a firestorm in both sides of the reproductive rights community: frozen embryos have full legal personhood rights. This has split Republican lawmakers who are, on the one hand applauding the decision while simultaneously scrambling to enact legislation to carve out a niche for IVF by redefining when an embryo is considered a person.
Florida proposed an amendment to a legislative bill being considered:Republican lawmakers in Florida had proposed an amendment to the bill, the same week as the Alabama ruling, to define “unborn child” as a human “at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb.” The change would likely protect IVF patients and doctors, but it remains uncertain whether it would be in any final version the full Legislature were to vote on.
That raises questions too.
The issue of abortion is one of competing rights: weighing a woman’s right to bodily autonomy against a fetus’ right to life. But with frozen embryos, there are no competing rights.
So what exactly does this mean?
- With abortion does ”full personhood” mean that unless a woman is at death’s door, she cannot act to save her life?
- Does it mean every miscarriage is a potential crime scene?
- Will embryos be claimed as dependents on taxes? Will they get child support?
- Will they even be US citizens? Isn’t birth/born a stipulation there?
With frozen embryos it is even more tricky:
How can you ethically have a “carve out” for IVF embryos but not implanted embryos?
- How can an embryo, implanted in a uterus be given “personhood” rights while an identical embryo, that is frozen, not be?
- Will fathers of frozen embryos be liable for child support for each one?
- If they must remain stored into perpetuity…who pays?
- Can you claim them as dependents?
- If something happens that accidently destroys hundreds of stored embryos…should the person responsible face hundreds of counts of homicide charges?
Note: I put this in CDZ to hopefully have a real discussion as this latest ruling moves the debate beyond abortion.
abortion was ok for the Founders if it was done before the quickening...that you should have left well enough alone,,
this wouldnt be happening if the left didnt push for abortion up to birth and after,,
Those animals and others will eat their born if they have to or need to....Would that be ok for humans since they do it?In a sane society ... the idea of aborting a child should never be welcome or acceptable. I can think of no other living creature that even considers circumventing nature's path. Pregnant lions, seals, or pythons don't line up in clinics seeking to abort their future generations.
And, as my current signature line states, try "aborting" an eagle egg (or any other endangered species) and see what that'll get you in federal court.
There is no such thing.that you should have left well enough alone,,
this wouldnt be happening if the left didnt push for abortion up to birth and after,,
There is no such thing.
you were sayingThere is no such thing.
Give me some examples of mother lions or mother seals eating their young.Those animals and others will eat their born if they have to or need to....Would that be ok for humans since they do it?
you were saying
I could go on nut whats the use
I live child is born and the thinks the mother and doctor can discuss if it will be allowed to live,,Context. What the governor said is always taken completely out of context.
