Electoral College

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_college

    An electoral college is a set of electors who are empowered to elect a candidate to a particular office. Often these electors represent a different organization or entity, with each organization or entity represented by a particular number of electors or with votes weighted in a particular way. Many times, though, the electors are simply important persons whose wisdom, it is hoped, would provide a better choice than a larger body. The system can ignore the wishes of a general membership, whose thinking may not be considered. When applied on a national scale, such as the election of a country's leader, the popular vote can on occasion run counter to the electoral college's vote, and for this reason, there are some who feel that the system is a distortion of true democracy.[citation

    I believe that the electoral college isn't needed in today's society. How do you feel?
     
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    We need to dump the electoral college as well as caucusing. Both are ways to disenfranchise the popular vote.
     
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    Gotta agree with you. Remnants of a time where aristocrats tried to protect themselves from the common folk.
     
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    We need to keep the electoral college. The popular vote for President is the first step to mob rule.
     
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    Why do you feel that way?
     
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    And the electoral college's ability to go against the popular vote disenfranchises voters. If that's the case, what's the point to even HAVING the poular vote? Just line up the eltist powerbrokers and let them choose and be done with it and do away with the facade that we have any say in the matter.
     
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    That... and land shouldn't vote... people should.
     
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    Wow Gunny. I pegged you as a little smarter than that. Did you take civics in high school? Did you miss the part about the fact that we aren't a true democracy which is why we dont' have a popular vote take all system. We are a Republic of states. If that's the route you want to go though I better see a few posts in here from you about how we shoudl abolish the concept of states and just have a federal government. The reason we have an electoral college is the same reason every state has two senators. For the purpose of makeing sure the small states have a say. If there were no electoral college you could win the Presidency by focusing on just three urban areas. Where this twisted notion that the electoral college is unfair as oppossed to the other way around is beyond me.

    It is rather amusing though that it is that very type of system -the same type of system they complained about in 2000 - that has put the democratic party in such a bind.
     
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    I do have to agree with you on this point. This is a great counter point, in order for the states to have equal representation. I believe if nothing else though, the electors should be bound to vote according to how the state popular vote dictates. You do have a great point though, if we completely scrap the electoral college how does say Wyoming have the same representation as say New York?
     
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    How the electors are chosen is a matter of state election law. Kentucky actually could forego the popular vote and simply select them via the state legislature. While Hawaii can apportion them based on popular vote. And Texas can go with the winner take all format of the popular vote.

    So the first argument in favor of the EC is that it is one less thing the fed holds sway on. Score one for states rights.

    Remember Florida in Y2K? That was only a small part of the state. Can you imagine a nationwide recount...... ugleee. Score one for practicality.

    Any group will vote thier own interest first. A direct democracy would quickly make our nation insolvent, lazy, and ineffective. A direct vote for president would be a step in that direction. First the White House and eventually referendums on how much the monthy stipend for everyone would be. Score one for a Republic v. Democracy.

    There are other reasons. But it's time to get ready for work. We can hash it out more tomorrow.
     

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