Economy stalls

[8537]

Are bonds 'IOU's'?

No.

Yes they are.

No, Bripat. They are not IOU's. They are interest-bearing debt instruments - and standard bonds can be traded at any value regardless of what the stream of payments is established to be.

 

[SniperFire]

No.

Yes they are.

No, Bripat. They are not IOU's. They are interest-bearing debt instruments - and standard bonds can be traded at any value regardless of what the stream of payments is established to be.

IOU's can be traded in secondary markets, of course.

But they still are promises to pay - should the debtor not have reached his debt ceiling and be shit-out-of-luck, of course.

You are an economic illiterate.

 

[8537]

Yes they are.

No, Bripat. They are not IOU's. They are interest-bearing debt instruments - and standard bonds can be traded at any value regardless of what the stream of payments is established to be.

IOU's can be traded in secondary markets, of course.

really? Can you show me this market for IOU's?

But they still are promises to pay - should the debtor not have reached his debt ceiling and be shit-out-of-luck, of course.

The bonds in the Social Security Trust Fund are not a promise to pay.

 

[SniperFire]

No, Bripat. They are not IOU's. They are interest-bearing debt instruments - and standard bonds can be traded at any value regardless of what the stream of payments is established to be.

IOU's can be traded in secondary markets, of course.

really? Can you show me this market for IOU's?

But they still are promises to pay - should the debtor not have reached his debt ceiling and be shit-out-of-luck, of course.

The bonds in the Social Security Trust Fund are not a promise to pay.

Gawd, this is fucking hilarious!

 

[8537]

IOU's can be traded in secondary markets, of course.

really? Can you show me this market for IOU's?

But they still are promises to pay - should the debtor not have reached his debt ceiling and be shit-out-of-luck, of course.

The bonds in the Social Security Trust Fund are not a promise to pay.

Gawd, this is fucking hilarious!

More demonstration of Sniper's intellectual prowess: This time, one smiley - but a really big one!

Nice work, Snipe.

 

[BDBoop]

Another 'boy who cried wolf' thread. If all you've done is bitch since day one? Then nothing has changed.

 

[auditor0007]

Dream on, wingnuts...

Do you actually believe America can survive and thrive when our investment community views Obama as an anti-business Marxist waiting to punish their every success?

Please get a clue. Businesses expand when they believe they can make more money by doing so. In order to do so, they need more demand for their products or services. Obama is not stopping demand. The reason there is a lack of demand is simple; people do not have the money. Wages have stagnated so long that nobody can afford to spend a little extra.

Here is a hint for you; if companies began hiring again, they would become the driving force to a much stronger recovery. By hiring and expanding, they would put more money into the pockets of the very ones who purchase their products and services, which would lead to increased sales, more tax revenue, and on and on. They are sitting on the sidelines because they can, and because it is easy. While those on the right complain about corporate tax rates and regulations, those holding all the cards just keep collecting and getting richer and richer. Why do you think the stock market is doing so well? It's not because our economy is in the shitter? If that was the reason, then the stock market would be crashing also.

 

[SniperFire]

'This is being widely described as “tepid” growth in the media, but when your government is $17 trillion in debt, and piling on another trillion per year, while the economy groans under rising inflation and double-digit real unemployment, “tepid” is disastrous. Even last quarter’s 3 percent growth was a full percentage point shy of what America needs for a real recovery.

Of course, like all grim economic news in the Obama years, the new figures were “unexpected,” because 2.5 percent growth was widely expected. Just wait until the initial figures get revised downward in a month or two!

“Tepid” first quarter growth is the good news. The bad news is that most analysts expect it to get worse.

For starters, a big part of the difference between “tepid” and “apocalyptic” in the first quarter report were surges in consumer spending and inventory accumulation, neither of which is likely to continue.

The consumer spending bump was largely a product of rising confidence as unemployment dipped a bit, but unemployment is melting down again, jobless claims are rising, and consumer confidence is falling. '

GDP growth plunges to 2.2 percent - HUMAN EVENTS




Which begs the question.



How's that hopey changey thingy workin out for ya?

 

[RDD_1210]

really? Can you show me this market for IOU's?



The bonds in the Social Security Trust Fund are not a promise to pay.

Gawd, this is fucking hilarious!

More demonstration of Sniper's intellectual prowess: This time, one smiley - but a really big one!

Nice work, Snipe.

Keep in mind Sniper doesn't actually have a job or contribute to society in any sort of meaningful manner. So when he posts his smileys, it's his way of "contributing". Just smile and say thank you.

 

[SniperFire]

Dream on, wingnuts...

Do you actually believe America can survive and thrive when our investment community views Obama as an anti-business Marxist waiting to punish their every success?

Please get a clue. Businesses expand when they believe they can make more money by doing so. In order to do so, they need more demand for their products or services.

I'll attempt to dumb it down for you. We are talking about meeting such 'demand' with domestic investment and jobs.

That won't be done while the smart money waits on the sidelines in fear of the next shoe to drop from der Leader.

 

[SniperFire]

Gawd, this is fucking hilarious!

More demonstration of Sniper's intellectual prowess: This time, one smiley - but a really big one!

Nice work, Snipe.

Keep in mind Sniper doesn't actually have a job or contribute to society in any sort of meaningful manner. So when he posts his smileys, it's his way of "contributing". Just smile and say thank you.

Your gubmint check comes each month, either way!

 

[RDD_1210]

More demonstration of Sniper's intellectual prowess: This time, one smiley - but a really big one!

Nice work, Snipe.

Keep in mind Sniper doesn't actually have a job or contribute to society in any sort of meaningful manner. So when he posts his smileys, it's his way of "contributing". Just smile and say thank you.

Your gubmint check comes each month, either way!

You'd know, wouldn't ya. So are you on 'disability' or just unemployment?

 

[SniperFire]

Keep in mind Sniper doesn't actually have a job or contribute to society in any sort of meaningful manner. So when he posts his smileys, it's his way of "contributing". Just smile and say thank you.

Your gubmint check comes each month, either way!

You'd know, wouldn't ya.

Let's just say you aren't the first organ grinder I have slapped around on a message board, m'kay?

 

[BDBoop]

Your gubmint check comes each month, either way!

You'd know, wouldn't ya.

Let's just say you aren't the first organ grinder I have slapped around on a message board, m'kay?

Did you just self-identify as a trained monkey?

 

[SniperFire]

The metaphor is a tad over your head, Betty.

You double-digit IQ types should just sit this one out.

 

[8537]

Do you actually believe America can survive and thrive when our investment community views Obama as an anti-business Marxist waiting to punish their every success?

Please get a clue. Businesses expand when they believe they can make more money by doing so. In order to do so, they need more demand for their products or services.

I'll attempt to dumb it down for you. We are talking about meeting such 'demand' with domestic investment and jobs.

Lol...speaking of complete economic morons...

When incomes increase by 2.2%, national production also increases by 2.2%.

 

[Oldstyle]

The "investment community" is waiting for the Bush economic holocaust to stabilize before dumping in the big bucks. Obama is working on it. Wingnuts are working against it.

LOL...he's "working on it"? Really? What's he done in the last two years, Lakhota? What is Barry's "plan" to get the economy going? A tax on the wealthy? Yeah, that'll work! (eye-roll)

 

[SniperFire]

Sorry, 8537.

Sit this one out and learn.

 

[8537]

Sorry, 8537.

Sit this one out and learn.

So you think incomes in the US can increase without production in the US increasing?

Sniperfire has overcome the restrictions of the most basic accounting identities!

 

[Full-Auto]

Dream on, wingnuts...

Do you actually believe America can survive and thrive when our investment community views Obama as an anti-business Marxist waiting to punish their every success?

It's the un-American wingnuts who would rather see Obama fail than put America first.

When do democrats put America first instead of their party?