CDZ Economic Carnage Is Coming

[Ame®icano]

I have been saying this from the start...this strain is faaaar faaaar too weak to justify this response. They know something. They know...and the next time it's really gonna kill people...a lot of people.

And that response continues to this day...So the threat must still exist!

Yeah, something doesn't add up. There is something that is just not right about this. Well, lots of somethings. We can't count on the media to ask, my God they are nothing but worthless, if not straight out harmful themselves.

We are at war with china, no one who knows this wants the conflict to escalate to millions of degrees

The Chinese have controlling interest in many of the media companies. We have paid for our own destruction. Through purchase of cheap plastic shit at big box America we have ensured our own destruction.

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve. If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Why? Because the inmates are in charge

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve.

Baloney.

If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Hilarious! And wrong.

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve everyone who owns t bills does, China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies. None of this is speculative it's all fact. If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate and inflation would make a loaf of bread cost a hundred bucks at least

All in all we are fucked and idiots walking around in masks would all be better off dead

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve

You're lying.

everyone who owns t bills does

T-bills are debt issued by the US Treasury, not the Fed.

China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies.

About $1.1 trillion in Treasuries. I doubt they own anywhere near that in us stocks.

If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate

Dissipate? What do you mean?

If you do not know what dissipate means ask your homeroom teacher who will instruct you to use a dictionary

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

Play on little one

Status Report of U.S. Government Gold Reserve - Current Report

fiscal.treasury.gov

Total Gold Reserves $388 Billion.

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

Total US debt (not including unfunded future liabilities of $23 Trillion)...... $25 Trillion.

Let's review.... We have $388 Billion in gold.... in order to "back" $25 Trillion in T-bills.

My friends, what we have here, is a math problem.

It's not a math problem it's called inflation which means the paper money and or t bills are not worth the paper that they are printed on. So genius, thanks for making my point

Well that's not exactly true.... I can buy a ton of paper, for the value of a few dollars. Six $1 Bills, can buy a whole ream of paper. That's way more paper, than the value of the paper used to make the bills.

So not so much.

But, yes there is inflation, that's true. However I would point out, that we had inflation under the gold standard. We had inflation of 20% in 1918, and that was when money was backed by gold.

By the way, we had inflation before the Federal Reserve was even created.

Inflation Rate in 1800 | Inflation Calculator

The 2.44% inflation rate means $1 in 1799 is equivalent to $1.02 in 1800. This inflation calculator uses the official US consumer price index.

www.in2013dollars.com

Widely known that having a gold standard, didn't mean that inflation didn't exist. In fact, in some ways inflation and deflation were worse before the Federal Reserve, because no one knew it was happening.

Not to mention that sometimes if the bank that your notes were from, failed, and then you ended up with zero. A bit risky.

Now granted, the reason banks failed, is because government put in place bad policies that caused them to fail (much like today honestly). And they created Federal Reserve as a fix to a problem they created. Granted.

But, regardless inflation is normal. There has never been a time where inflation didn't exist.

What? So you are now advocating that we go back to a gold standard?

Not going to happen. In fact, can't happen. Not possible.

There are people still using the gold standard.

They buy gold

So yea I do recommend the gold standard more so when idiotic governments print fake money

Well yes. You can do that. I have yet to meet anyone that worked out well for.

So for example I knew this guy at a company I worked for, and he bought a bunch of gold in 2011.

Now if you know what happened after 2011.... The price of gold fell by nearly half.

View attachment 330936

Now you could say that prices, extremely recently have gone back up, and that's true.....

But he found out something the hard way.... You can't pay bills with gold. Believe it or not, when your mortgage is due, you can't mail them a bar of gold.

I can't remember if he said he had to sell in 2014 or 2015, but I know he said he lost nearly half the value. Between the transaction fees, and storage cost, he lost half the value he purchased gold with. If you want to turn $1000 into $500, buy yourself some gold right now. Prices are good an high.

Gold is a garbage investment. You can do want you want of course, I'm not going to try and talk you out of it. But my recommendation is, buy mutual funds in company stocks.

I've doubled my money. Even to this day right now, with my portfolio value depressed.... I still have double the value I put in. Roughly a 110% return on investment.

And when this whole thing blows over, and stock prices go back up, I'll likely have a vastly larger return on my investment.

1 million dollars in confederate gold was worth exactly the same as i million in confederate paper money at one time. A day later the gold price was still one million and the paper was burned in the stove for warmth as it had no value

The purpose of Obamacare was not to provide healthcare but to bankrupt the USA as is shutting down the economy. They predicted a lot more patients that did not materialize

Not factually true.

Confederate Notes

► Buy Confederate Notes online securely with Golden Eagle Coins. Trusted dealer since 1974. A+ rating with BBB. Fully insured delivery through USPS.

www.goldeneaglecoin.com

It was not backed by hard assets, but simply by a promise to pay the bearer after the war, on the prospect of Southern victory and independence. As the war began to tilt against the Confederates, confidence in the currency diminished, and inflation followed.​

So no, one confederate dollars was not worth the same in confederate gold. The value of the Confederate dollar went up and down, and mostly down as the war dragged on, and it seemed less likely they would win.

And it was never directly backed by hard assets to begin with.

The purpose of Obamacare was not to provide healthcare but to bankrupt the USA as is shutting down the economy. They predicted a lot more patients that did not materialize

You are stumbling into a assumption. The fact things didn't turn out as expected, does not automatically mean something nefarious was going on.

Nor do I actually think Obama's goal was to destroy the country. Remember, the path to hell is paved with good intentions.

I never once suggested that Obama had bad intentions. Doesn't matter. Socialism doesn't work. The more we socialize, the worse it will get.

What I said was factually absolutely true after the civil war. The fact that white supremacist now collect confederate notes does not impress me.

Copper 1943 pennies impress me

Yes, after the war, the confederate dollars were worthless, just like at the end of the war they were worthless, and were declining in value throughout the entire time they were losing the war.

Which is why bright people then as now put their faith in metal

Like I said, I haven't met a single person yet, that invested in metal, and came out better off. Not one. Not even one person. Zero. None.

If you look at all the wealthy people in this country, and other countries... none of them have their investments in shiny rocks.

All of them have invested in value producing assets. Land that can be cultivated. Property that can be rented. Or companies that produce goods and services of value.

As Warren Buffet famously said

View attachment 331103

Something to consider..... if every rich person in the world is not doing something, and a bunch of poor people are.... might be a hint.

Try copper 1943 pennies

By all means, go for it. My investment strategy is working perfectly, has been tested and proven for 100 years.

If your retirement plan is copper pennies, knock yourself. Tell me how that works for you.

PCGS-Certified 1943-D Bronze Cent Sold For $1.7 Million

The only known 1943-dated Lincoln cent mistakenly struck at the Denver Mint on a bronze planchet has been sold for a record $1.7 million by Legend Numismatics of Lincroft, New Jersey.

www.pcgs.com

The Truth About 1943 Steel and Bronze Copper Wheat Penny Values

Learn How To Tell If Your 1943 Wheat Cent Is The Rare Bronze Version. Our Guide Tells You The Tricks Dealers Use To Make You Think That Your Rare Coins Are Common. Read To Learn More.

coinappraiser.com

Dumb government shit

That is lunacy.

"The only known 1943-dated Lincoln cent mistakenly struck at the Denver Mint on a bronze planchet has been sold for a record $1.7 million by Legend Numismatics of Lincroft, New Jersey."

You said "Which is why bright people then as now put their faith in metal", and then linked to a single coin.... that is unique in the world.

So your "bright people" investment plan, is to sit around hoping you can get your hands on the only coin that was mistakenly minted on bronze.....

I'm just going by what you yourself posted.....

Well.... sir.... good luck with your plan.

I think I'll stick with my dividend earning stocks. Good luck finding that one coin on the planet that you can retire on.

Again I can say whatever I choose on the internet. That said nothing that I have or will say has any world consequence, I am fully aware of this. Not sure what you believe that you are proving by defending China and by claiming that China can not use their American debt holdings as a weapon because they can do as they choose.

Debt weapon of choice for China to penetrate developing countries

Tonga raised alarm and begged China to write off her debt.

www.nation.co.ke

Play on

You completely misunderstood the article.

It's about developing nations that can't repay their debt to China, it has nothing to do with us.

Nope as I never read it.

Play on kid

Let me get this strait... In order to back your claim, you post the article of China using debt as a weapon, assuming it could be used against us, without even reading it. Since you got challenged, because it doesn't support your claim, you call me a kid. So, if I am a kid, what does that make you, an infant... or embryo?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I have been saying this from the start...this strain is faaaar faaaar too weak to justify this response. They know something. They know...and the next time it's really gonna kill people...a lot of people.

And that response continues to this day...So the threat must still exist!

Yeah, something doesn't add up. There is something that is just not right about this. Well, lots of somethings. We can't count on the media to ask, my God they are nothing but worthless, if not straight out harmful themselves.

We are at war with china, no one who knows this wants the conflict to escalate to millions of degrees

The Chinese have controlling interest in many of the media companies. We have paid for our own destruction. Through purchase of cheap plastic shit at big box America we have ensured our own destruction.

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve. If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Why? Because the inmates are in charge

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve.

Baloney.

If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Hilarious! And wrong.

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve everyone who owns t bills does, China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies. None of this is speculative it's all fact. If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate and inflation would make a loaf of bread cost a hundred bucks at least

All in all we are fucked and idiots walking around in masks would all be better off dead

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve

You're lying.

everyone who owns t bills does

T-bills are debt issued by the US Treasury, not the Fed.

China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies.

About $1.1 trillion in Treasuries. I doubt they own anywhere near that in us stocks.

If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate

Dissipate? What do you mean?

If you do not know what dissipate means ask your homeroom teacher who will instruct you to use a dictionary

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

Play on little one

If you do not know what dissipate means

I know what dissipate means.
I don't know what your claim about China selling assets causing our economy to dissipate means.

So explain it.

How does China selling $1 trillion in Treasuries cause our economy to evaporate, disappear, vanish?

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

T-bills aren't backed by gold.

She (assuming that esalla is she) doesn't know what's she's talking about.

First, Even if China sells assets, they do not disappear, someone has to buys them.
Second, they cannot just send them back and demand cash, since they're long term based, for what they're getting paid interest. If they sell them, ownership changes, everything else, including terms stays the same.

If China sells everything, a panic begins and everyone rushes to sell everything and the stock market crashes and elevator shafts become full of economic geniuses like you

Google it, there are photos

How Much U.S. Debt Does China Own?

As of 2023, China owns more than $859.4 billion in U.S. debt. That's less than the U.S. debt owned by Japan and represents about 2.6% of the total U.S. debt. Learn more.

www.investopedia.com

First... There is over $25 Trillion in US bonds on the market.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

Moreover, why would there be a panic regardless?

The only possible reason there would be a panic, is if they believed the US wasn't going to pay the bonds. China selling, or not selling their bonds, wouldn't cause people to think well obvious the US is going to default.

China has already drastically reduced their holdings of US bonds. It hasn't caused people to think we were going to default.

Lastly, even if there was a crisis in the bond market, which could happen with, or without China doing anything... that isn't likely to cause a stock market crash.

We already know this from what happened in the UK.

U.K. Bond Auction Fails for First Time in 14 Years - WSJ

www.wsj.com

The UK government already had a bond crisis back in 2009. The stock market was already depressed because of the Sub-prime crash, but the bond failure had virtually no effect.

And why would it? British companies that were profitable and selling, were still profitable and selling.

The bond crisis pretty much only affected the government... because obviously it was the government that was unable to get money from selling the bonds.

Now obviously how the government responds to the bond crisis could cause a stock market crash. Thankfully the UK engaged in austerity. If they had instead engaged in tax hikes across the country, the results could have wrecked companies, and that could have severely damaged the stock market for sure.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

The US T-Bond market trades something like $500 billion a day.
Two days worth of typical sales......we're doomed!!!

 

[beautress]

Feel free to disagree with me...but this is not a left or right thread...leave politics out of it please.

We have massive money printing going on (stimulus checks) which will cause inflation...primarily with food because that is primarily where the printed money is going.

We have massive shutdowns of business which has cause massive loss in tax revenue.

We had unsustainable pension plans that have been hanging on by their finger tips for years...the loss of tax revenue will certainly be enough to tip these over.

The job losses have caused millions to not be able to pay their rent or mortgage...landlords and mortgage companies CAN'T TAKE THAT HIT...they'll go bankrupt.

It is said that 4 out of 5 businesses that are closed right now will not re-open. That will hit the commercial mortgage sector. (not to mention the MBS's and the CDO's which is what started the 2008 financial crisis).

What we are about to see is going to be biblical in scope! And if you are not afraid, you are not paying attention.

Chances are, bad things are ahead. I pray for this nation as my grandparents did when they joined the American Legion and dedicated their lives to helping all those who lost limbs, the widows of those who lost their life in Normandy, Germany, Pearl Harbor, and the Pacific theater. I pray for all those who were helpless in this terroristic pandemic, and I believe God will help those who survived because he has blessed and loved America, who has always fought for the world's underdogs and against foreign and domestic terrorists of other people who would put the people through humiliation and not for their improvement in the sight of God, either. I pray for this nation that believes in God and serves his causes which are of peace and brotherhood. When God , the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ are for us, who can be against us? No one, and we are for those who are persecuted in His name, the orphan, and the widow. May God bless America and its leaders and remove from power those who would destroy the Church and its teachings of God's love for us and those we help. Amen.

Remember, that in Him there no darkness is.

 

[esalla]

I have been saying this from the start...this strain is faaaar faaaar too weak to justify this response. They know something. They know...and the next time it's really gonna kill people...a lot of people.

And that response continues to this day...So the threat must still exist!

Yeah, something doesn't add up. There is something that is just not right about this. Well, lots of somethings. We can't count on the media to ask, my God they are nothing but worthless, if not straight out harmful themselves.

We are at war with china, no one who knows this wants the conflict to escalate to millions of degrees

The Chinese have controlling interest in many of the media companies. We have paid for our own destruction. Through purchase of cheap plastic shit at big box America we have ensured our own destruction.

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve. If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Why? Because the inmates are in charge

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve.

Baloney.

If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Hilarious! And wrong.

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve everyone who owns t bills does, China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies. None of this is speculative it's all fact. If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate and inflation would make a loaf of bread cost a hundred bucks at least

All in all we are fucked and idiots walking around in masks would all be better off dead

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve

You're lying.

everyone who owns t bills does

T-bills are debt issued by the US Treasury, not the Fed.

China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies.

About $1.1 trillion in Treasuries. I doubt they own anywhere near that in us stocks.

If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate

Dissipate? What do you mean?

If you do not know what dissipate means ask your homeroom teacher who will instruct you to use a dictionary

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

Play on little one

Status Report of U.S. Government Gold Reserve - Current Report

fiscal.treasury.gov

Total Gold Reserves $388 Billion.

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

Total US debt (not including unfunded future liabilities of $23 Trillion)...... $25 Trillion.

Let's review.... We have $388 Billion in gold.... in order to "back" $25 Trillion in T-bills.

My friends, what we have here, is a math problem.

It's not a math problem it's called inflation which means the paper money and or t bills are not worth the paper that they are printed on. So genius, thanks for making my point

Well that's not exactly true.... I can buy a ton of paper, for the value of a few dollars. Six $1 Bills, can buy a whole ream of paper. That's way more paper, than the value of the paper used to make the bills.

So not so much.

But, yes there is inflation, that's true. However I would point out, that we had inflation under the gold standard. We had inflation of 20% in 1918, and that was when money was backed by gold.

By the way, we had inflation before the Federal Reserve was even created.

Inflation Rate in 1800 | Inflation Calculator

The 2.44% inflation rate means $1 in 1799 is equivalent to $1.02 in 1800. This inflation calculator uses the official US consumer price index.

www.in2013dollars.com

Widely known that having a gold standard, didn't mean that inflation didn't exist. In fact, in some ways inflation and deflation were worse before the Federal Reserve, because no one knew it was happening.

Not to mention that sometimes if the bank that your notes were from, failed, and then you ended up with zero. A bit risky.

Now granted, the reason banks failed, is because government put in place bad policies that caused them to fail (much like today honestly). And they created Federal Reserve as a fix to a problem they created. Granted.

But, regardless inflation is normal. There has never been a time where inflation didn't exist.

What? So you are now advocating that we go back to a gold standard?

Not going to happen. In fact, can't happen. Not possible.

There are people still using the gold standard.

They buy gold

So yea I do recommend the gold standard more so when idiotic governments print fake money

Well yes. You can do that. I have yet to meet anyone that worked out well for.

So for example I knew this guy at a company I worked for, and he bought a bunch of gold in 2011.

Now if you know what happened after 2011.... The price of gold fell by nearly half.

View attachment 330936

Now you could say that prices, extremely recently have gone back up, and that's true.....

But he found out something the hard way.... You can't pay bills with gold. Believe it or not, when your mortgage is due, you can't mail them a bar of gold.

I can't remember if he said he had to sell in 2014 or 2015, but I know he said he lost nearly half the value. Between the transaction fees, and storage cost, he lost half the value he purchased gold with. If you want to turn $1000 into $500, buy yourself some gold right now. Prices are good an high.

Gold is a garbage investment. You can do want you want of course, I'm not going to try and talk you out of it. But my recommendation is, buy mutual funds in company stocks.

I've doubled my money. Even to this day right now, with my portfolio value depressed.... I still have double the value I put in. Roughly a 110% return on investment.

And when this whole thing blows over, and stock prices go back up, I'll likely have a vastly larger return on my investment.

1 million dollars in confederate gold was worth exactly the same as i million in confederate paper money at one time. A day later the gold price was still one million and the paper was burned in the stove for warmth as it had no value

The purpose of Obamacare was not to provide healthcare but to bankrupt the USA as is shutting down the economy. They predicted a lot more patients that did not materialize

Not factually true.

Confederate Notes

► Buy Confederate Notes online securely with Golden Eagle Coins. Trusted dealer since 1974. A+ rating with BBB. Fully insured delivery through USPS.

www.goldeneaglecoin.com

It was not backed by hard assets, but simply by a promise to pay the bearer after the war, on the prospect of Southern victory and independence. As the war began to tilt against the Confederates, confidence in the currency diminished, and inflation followed.​

So no, one confederate dollars was not worth the same in confederate gold. The value of the Confederate dollar went up and down, and mostly down as the war dragged on, and it seemed less likely they would win.

And it was never directly backed by hard assets to begin with.

The purpose of Obamacare was not to provide healthcare but to bankrupt the USA as is shutting down the economy. They predicted a lot more patients that did not materialize

You are stumbling into a assumption. The fact things didn't turn out as expected, does not automatically mean something nefarious was going on.

Nor do I actually think Obama's goal was to destroy the country. Remember, the path to hell is paved with good intentions.

I never once suggested that Obama had bad intentions. Doesn't matter. Socialism doesn't work. The more we socialize, the worse it will get.

What I said was factually absolutely true after the civil war. The fact that white supremacist now collect confederate notes does not impress me.

Copper 1943 pennies impress me

Yes, after the war, the confederate dollars were worthless, just like at the end of the war they were worthless, and were declining in value throughout the entire time they were losing the war.

Which is why bright people then as now put their faith in metal

Like I said, I haven't met a single person yet, that invested in metal, and came out better off. Not one. Not even one person. Zero. None.

If you look at all the wealthy people in this country, and other countries... none of them have their investments in shiny rocks.

All of them have invested in value producing assets. Land that can be cultivated. Property that can be rented. Or companies that produce goods and services of value.

As Warren Buffet famously said

View attachment 331103

Something to consider..... if every rich person in the world is not doing something, and a bunch of poor people are.... might be a hint.

Try copper 1943 pennies

By all means, go for it. My investment strategy is working perfectly, has been tested and proven for 100 years.

If your retirement plan is copper pennies, knock yourself. Tell me how that works for you.

PCGS-Certified 1943-D Bronze Cent Sold For $1.7 Million

The only known 1943-dated Lincoln cent mistakenly struck at the Denver Mint on a bronze planchet has been sold for a record $1.7 million by Legend Numismatics of Lincroft, New Jersey.

www.pcgs.com

The Truth About 1943 Steel and Bronze Copper Wheat Penny Values

Learn How To Tell If Your 1943 Wheat Cent Is The Rare Bronze Version. Our Guide Tells You The Tricks Dealers Use To Make You Think That Your Rare Coins Are Common. Read To Learn More.

coinappraiser.com

Dumb government shit

That is lunacy.

"The only known 1943-dated Lincoln cent mistakenly struck at the Denver Mint on a bronze planchet has been sold for a record $1.7 million by Legend Numismatics of Lincroft, New Jersey."

You said "Which is why bright people then as now put their faith in metal", and then linked to a single coin.... that is unique in the world.

So your "bright people" investment plan, is to sit around hoping you can get your hands on the only coin that was mistakenly minted on bronze.....

I'm just going by what you yourself posted.....

Well.... sir.... good luck with your plan.

I think I'll stick with my dividend earning stocks. Good luck finding that one coin on the planet that you can retire on.

Again I can say whatever I choose on the internet. That said nothing that I have or will say has any world consequence, I am fully aware of this. Not sure what you believe that you are proving by defending China and by claiming that China can not use their American debt holdings as a weapon because they can do as they choose.

Debt weapon of choice for China to penetrate developing countries

Tonga raised alarm and begged China to write off her debt.

www.nation.co.ke

Play on

You completely misunderstood the article.

It's about developing nations that can't repay their debt to China, it has nothing to do with us.

Nope as I never read it.

Play on kid

Let me get this strait... In order to back your claim, you post the article of China using debt as a weapon, assuming it could be used against us, without even reading it. Since you got challenged, because it doesn't support your claim, you call me a kid. So, if I am a kid, what does that make you, an infant... or embryo?

What claim? I said something and you took me seriously.

Everyone pretty much does

CIAO

 

[esalla]

I have been saying this from the start...this strain is faaaar faaaar too weak to justify this response. They know something. They know...and the next time it's really gonna kill people...a lot of people.

And that response continues to this day...So the threat must still exist!

Yeah, something doesn't add up. There is something that is just not right about this. Well, lots of somethings. We can't count on the media to ask, my God they are nothing but worthless, if not straight out harmful themselves.

We are at war with china, no one who knows this wants the conflict to escalate to millions of degrees

The Chinese have controlling interest in many of the media companies. We have paid for our own destruction. Through purchase of cheap plastic shit at big box America we have ensured our own destruction.

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve. If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Why? Because the inmates are in charge

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve.

Baloney.

If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Hilarious! And wrong.

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve everyone who owns t bills does, China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies. None of this is speculative it's all fact. If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate and inflation would make a loaf of bread cost a hundred bucks at least

All in all we are fucked and idiots walking around in masks would all be better off dead

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve

You're lying.

everyone who owns t bills does

T-bills are debt issued by the US Treasury, not the Fed.

China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies.

About $1.1 trillion in Treasuries. I doubt they own anywhere near that in us stocks.

If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate

Dissipate? What do you mean?

If you do not know what dissipate means ask your homeroom teacher who will instruct you to use a dictionary

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

Play on little one

If you do not know what dissipate means

I know what dissipate means.
I don't know what your claim about China selling assets causing our economy to dissipate means.

So explain it.

How does China selling $1 trillion in Treasuries cause our economy to evaporate, disappear, vanish?

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

T-bills aren't backed by gold.

She (assuming that esalla is she) doesn't know what's she's talking about.

First, Even if China sells assets, they do not disappear, someone has to buys them.
Second, they cannot just send them back and demand cash, since they're long term based, for what they're getting paid interest. If they sell them, ownership changes, everything else, including terms stays the same.

If China sells everything, a panic begins and everyone rushes to sell everything and the stock market crashes and elevator shafts become full of economic geniuses like you

Google it, there are photos

How Much U.S. Debt Does China Own?

As of 2023, China owns more than $859.4 billion in U.S. debt. That's less than the U.S. debt owned by Japan and represents about 2.6% of the total U.S. debt. Learn more.

www.investopedia.com

First... There is over $25 Trillion in US bonds on the market.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

Moreover, why would there be a panic regardless?

The only possible reason there would be a panic, is if they believed the US wasn't going to pay the bonds. China selling, or not selling their bonds, wouldn't cause people to think well obvious the US is going to default.

China has already drastically reduced their holdings of US bonds. It hasn't caused people to think we were going to default.

Lastly, even if there was a crisis in the bond market, which could happen with, or without China doing anything... that isn't likely to cause a stock market crash.

We already know this from what happened in the UK.

U.K. Bond Auction Fails for First Time in 14 Years - WSJ

www.wsj.com

The UK government already had a bond crisis back in 2009. The stock market was already depressed because of the Sub-prime crash, but the bond failure had virtually no effect.

And why would it? British companies that were profitable and selling, were still profitable and selling.

The bond crisis pretty much only affected the government... because obviously it was the government that was unable to get money from selling the bonds.

Now obviously how the government responds to the bond crisis could cause a stock market crash. Thankfully the UK engaged in austerity. If they had instead engaged in tax hikes across the country, the results could have wrecked companies, and that could have severely damaged the stock market for sure.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

The US T-Bond market trades something like $500 billion a day.
Two days worth of typical sales......we're doomed!!!

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic and cause a stock market drop unlike any previously seen. No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA which would refer back to the drop that is still continuing, the unemployment would be real.

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Just remember I answer to no one, certainly not you or the children that you work with and for

Besides it's not like a disease could ever escape china and shut down the entire American economy and force the American military to pretend not to have raised the defcon level or launch missiles from the USS Barry

Enjoy

US Navy launches live-fire missiles in ‘warning to China’

Unusual drill in the Philippine Sea a signal to the PLA that American forces can counter advanced threats, military observers say.

www.scmp.com

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I have been saying this from the start...this strain is faaaar faaaar too weak to justify this response. They know something. They know...and the next time it's really gonna kill people...a lot of people.

And that response continues to this day...So the threat must still exist!

Yeah, something doesn't add up. There is something that is just not right about this. Well, lots of somethings. We can't count on the media to ask, my God they are nothing but worthless, if not straight out harmful themselves.

We are at war with china, no one who knows this wants the conflict to escalate to millions of degrees

The Chinese have controlling interest in many of the media companies. We have paid for our own destruction. Through purchase of cheap plastic shit at big box America we have ensured our own destruction.

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve. If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Why? Because the inmates are in charge

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve.

Baloney.

If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Hilarious! And wrong.

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve everyone who owns t bills does, China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies. None of this is speculative it's all fact. If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate and inflation would make a loaf of bread cost a hundred bucks at least

All in all we are fucked and idiots walking around in masks would all be better off dead

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve

You're lying.

everyone who owns t bills does

T-bills are debt issued by the US Treasury, not the Fed.

China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies.

About $1.1 trillion in Treasuries. I doubt they own anywhere near that in us stocks.

If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate

Dissipate? What do you mean?

If you do not know what dissipate means ask your homeroom teacher who will instruct you to use a dictionary

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

Play on little one

If you do not know what dissipate means

I know what dissipate means.
I don't know what your claim about China selling assets causing our economy to dissipate means.

So explain it.

How does China selling $1 trillion in Treasuries cause our economy to evaporate, disappear, vanish?

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

T-bills aren't backed by gold.

She (assuming that esalla is she) doesn't know what's she's talking about.

First, Even if China sells assets, they do not disappear, someone has to buys them.
Second, they cannot just send them back and demand cash, since they're long term based, for what they're getting paid interest. If they sell them, ownership changes, everything else, including terms stays the same.

If China sells everything, a panic begins and everyone rushes to sell everything and the stock market crashes and elevator shafts become full of economic geniuses like you

Google it, there are photos

How Much U.S. Debt Does China Own?

As of 2023, China owns more than $859.4 billion in U.S. debt. That's less than the U.S. debt owned by Japan and represents about 2.6% of the total U.S. debt. Learn more.

www.investopedia.com

First... There is over $25 Trillion in US bonds on the market.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

Moreover, why would there be a panic regardless?

The only possible reason there would be a panic, is if they believed the US wasn't going to pay the bonds. China selling, or not selling their bonds, wouldn't cause people to think well obvious the US is going to default.

China has already drastically reduced their holdings of US bonds. It hasn't caused people to think we were going to default.

Lastly, even if there was a crisis in the bond market, which could happen with, or without China doing anything... that isn't likely to cause a stock market crash.

We already know this from what happened in the UK.

U.K. Bond Auction Fails for First Time in 14 Years - WSJ

www.wsj.com

The UK government already had a bond crisis back in 2009. The stock market was already depressed because of the Sub-prime crash, but the bond failure had virtually no effect.

And why would it? British companies that were profitable and selling, were still profitable and selling.

The bond crisis pretty much only affected the government... because obviously it was the government that was unable to get money from selling the bonds.

Now obviously how the government responds to the bond crisis could cause a stock market crash. Thankfully the UK engaged in austerity. If they had instead engaged in tax hikes across the country, the results could have wrecked companies, and that could have severely damaged the stock market for sure.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

The US T-Bond market trades something like $500 billion a day.
Two days worth of typical sales......we're doomed!!!

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic and cause a stock market drop unlike any previously seen. No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA which would refer back to the drop that is still continuing, the unemployment would be real.

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Just remember I answer to no one, certainly not you or the children that you work with and for

Besides it's not like a disease could ever escape china and shut down the entire American economy and force the American military to pretend not to have raised the defcon level or launch missiles from the USS Barry

Enjoy

US Navy launches live-fire missiles in ‘warning to China’

Unusual drill in the Philippine Sea a signal to the PLA that American forces can counter advanced threats, military observers say.

www.scmp.com

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic

First, they can't "demand" their money back. They can hold their Treasuries until they mature, or they can sell them. In either case they end up with dollars. Which they can re-invest or use to buy some other currency. If they sell dollars and buy Euros, for instance, the weaker dollar helps our trade balance and hurts Chinese exports to the US.

And like I said, selling 2 days worth of Treasury volume, wouldn't do shit to our stock market.

No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA

China could certainly do that. Millions of unemployed Chinese probably wouldn't be a problem for them, they can just crush them with tanks, eh?

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Hey, if they want to harm their own, rickety, about to collapse economy, I sure can't stop them.

 

[Andylusion]

I have been saying this from the start...this strain is faaaar faaaar too weak to justify this response. They know something. They know...and the next time it's really gonna kill people...a lot of people.

And that response continues to this day...So the threat must still exist!

Yeah, something doesn't add up. There is something that is just not right about this. Well, lots of somethings. We can't count on the media to ask, my God they are nothing but worthless, if not straight out harmful themselves.

We are at war with china, no one who knows this wants the conflict to escalate to millions of degrees

The Chinese have controlling interest in many of the media companies. We have paid for our own destruction. Through purchase of cheap plastic shit at big box America we have ensured our own destruction.

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve. If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Why? Because the inmates are in charge

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve.

Baloney.

If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Hilarious! And wrong.

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve everyone who owns t bills does, China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies. None of this is speculative it's all fact. If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate and inflation would make a loaf of bread cost a hundred bucks at least

All in all we are fucked and idiots walking around in masks would all be better off dead

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve

You're lying.

everyone who owns t bills does

T-bills are debt issued by the US Treasury, not the Fed.

China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies.

About $1.1 trillion in Treasuries. I doubt they own anywhere near that in us stocks.

If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate

Dissipate? What do you mean?

If you do not know what dissipate means ask your homeroom teacher who will instruct you to use a dictionary

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

Play on little one

If you do not know what dissipate means

I know what dissipate means.
I don't know what your claim about China selling assets causing our economy to dissipate means.

So explain it.

How does China selling $1 trillion in Treasuries cause our economy to evaporate, disappear, vanish?

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

T-bills aren't backed by gold.

She (assuming that esalla is she) doesn't know what's she's talking about.

First, Even if China sells assets, they do not disappear, someone has to buys them.
Second, they cannot just send them back and demand cash, since they're long term based, for what they're getting paid interest. If they sell them, ownership changes, everything else, including terms stays the same.

If China sells everything, a panic begins and everyone rushes to sell everything and the stock market crashes and elevator shafts become full of economic geniuses like you

Google it, there are photos

How Much U.S. Debt Does China Own?

As of 2023, China owns more than $859.4 billion in U.S. debt. That's less than the U.S. debt owned by Japan and represents about 2.6% of the total U.S. debt. Learn more.

www.investopedia.com

First... There is over $25 Trillion in US bonds on the market.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

Moreover, why would there be a panic regardless?

The only possible reason there would be a panic, is if they believed the US wasn't going to pay the bonds. China selling, or not selling their bonds, wouldn't cause people to think well obvious the US is going to default.

China has already drastically reduced their holdings of US bonds. It hasn't caused people to think we were going to default.

Lastly, even if there was a crisis in the bond market, which could happen with, or without China doing anything... that isn't likely to cause a stock market crash.

We already know this from what happened in the UK.

U.K. Bond Auction Fails for First Time in 14 Years - WSJ

www.wsj.com

The UK government already had a bond crisis back in 2009. The stock market was already depressed because of the Sub-prime crash, but the bond failure had virtually no effect.

And why would it? British companies that were profitable and selling, were still profitable and selling.

The bond crisis pretty much only affected the government... because obviously it was the government that was unable to get money from selling the bonds.

Now obviously how the government responds to the bond crisis could cause a stock market crash. Thankfully the UK engaged in austerity. If they had instead engaged in tax hikes across the country, the results could have wrecked companies, and that could have severely damaged the stock market for sure.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

The US T-Bond market trades something like $500 billion a day.
Two days worth of typical sales......we're doomed!!!

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic and cause a stock market drop unlike any previously seen. No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA which would refer back to the drop that is still continuing, the unemployment would be real.

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Just remember I answer to no one, certainly not you or the children that you work with and for

Besides it's not like a disease could ever escape china and shut down the entire American economy and force the American military to pretend not to have raised the defcon level or launch missiles from the USS Barry

Enjoy

US Navy launches live-fire missiles in ‘warning to China’

Unusual drill in the Philippine Sea a signal to the PLA that American forces can counter advanced threats, military observers say.

www.scmp.com

Again if China demanded their money back

Stop.... Right there, your entire argument falls apart. China can not "demand" their money back.

That is impossible. The only thing they can do, is wait until the bonds mature, and collect the maturity.

Further, understand that when the bonds mature, the US government does not pay them in Yaun. They pay them in US Dollars. Which means China would have a bunch of US dollars they can't use to pay their employees, or buy anything in China.

They would have to use those dollars to purchase US goods.

That would boast the US stock market from a sudden increase in US exports.

Short of that, the only thing China can do with US bonds, is sell them.

Even then, they can not "Demand" their money, they have to sell them to whomever will buy them.

Let me ask you.... can I "Demand" you buy my old Grand Marquis? No. If you don't want to buy my car, I can't force you to do so.

Nor can China "demand" anyone buy their US Bonds.

So your very first sentence in your response is utterly flawed.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I have been saying this from the start...this strain is faaaar faaaar too weak to justify this response. They know something. They know...and the next time it's really gonna kill people...a lot of people.

And that response continues to this day...So the threat must still exist!

Yeah, something doesn't add up. There is something that is just not right about this. Well, lots of somethings. We can't count on the media to ask, my God they are nothing but worthless, if not straight out harmful themselves.

We are at war with china, no one who knows this wants the conflict to escalate to millions of degrees

The Chinese have controlling interest in many of the media companies. We have paid for our own destruction. Through purchase of cheap plastic shit at big box America we have ensured our own destruction.

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve. If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Why? Because the inmates are in charge

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve.

Baloney.

If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Hilarious! And wrong.

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve everyone who owns t bills does, China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies. None of this is speculative it's all fact. If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate and inflation would make a loaf of bread cost a hundred bucks at least

All in all we are fucked and idiots walking around in masks would all be better off dead

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve

You're lying.

everyone who owns t bills does

T-bills are debt issued by the US Treasury, not the Fed.

China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies.

About $1.1 trillion in Treasuries. I doubt they own anywhere near that in us stocks.

If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate

Dissipate? What do you mean?

If you do not know what dissipate means ask your homeroom teacher who will instruct you to use a dictionary

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

Play on little one

If you do not know what dissipate means

I know what dissipate means.
I don't know what your claim about China selling assets causing our economy to dissipate means.

So explain it.

How does China selling $1 trillion in Treasuries cause our economy to evaporate, disappear, vanish?

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

T-bills aren't backed by gold.

She (assuming that esalla is she) doesn't know what's she's talking about.

First, Even if China sells assets, they do not disappear, someone has to buys them.
Second, they cannot just send them back and demand cash, since they're long term based, for what they're getting paid interest. If they sell them, ownership changes, everything else, including terms stays the same.

If China sells everything, a panic begins and everyone rushes to sell everything and the stock market crashes and elevator shafts become full of economic geniuses like you

Google it, there are photos

How Much U.S. Debt Does China Own?

As of 2023, China owns more than $859.4 billion in U.S. debt. That's less than the U.S. debt owned by Japan and represents about 2.6% of the total U.S. debt. Learn more.

www.investopedia.com

First... There is over $25 Trillion in US bonds on the market.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

Moreover, why would there be a panic regardless?

The only possible reason there would be a panic, is if they believed the US wasn't going to pay the bonds. China selling, or not selling their bonds, wouldn't cause people to think well obvious the US is going to default.

China has already drastically reduced their holdings of US bonds. It hasn't caused people to think we were going to default.

Lastly, even if there was a crisis in the bond market, which could happen with, or without China doing anything... that isn't likely to cause a stock market crash.

We already know this from what happened in the UK.

U.K. Bond Auction Fails for First Time in 14 Years - WSJ

www.wsj.com

The UK government already had a bond crisis back in 2009. The stock market was already depressed because of the Sub-prime crash, but the bond failure had virtually no effect.

And why would it? British companies that were profitable and selling, were still profitable and selling.

The bond crisis pretty much only affected the government... because obviously it was the government that was unable to get money from selling the bonds.

Now obviously how the government responds to the bond crisis could cause a stock market crash. Thankfully the UK engaged in austerity. If they had instead engaged in tax hikes across the country, the results could have wrecked companies, and that could have severely damaged the stock market for sure.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

The US T-Bond market trades something like $500 billion a day.
Two days worth of typical sales......we're doomed!!!

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic and cause a stock market drop unlike any previously seen. No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA which would refer back to the drop that is still continuing, the unemployment would be real.

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Just remember I answer to no one, certainly not you or the children that you work with and for

Besides it's not like a disease could ever escape china and shut down the entire American economy and force the American military to pretend not to have raised the defcon level or launch missiles from the USS Barry

Enjoy

US Navy launches live-fire missiles in ‘warning to China’

Unusual drill in the Philippine Sea a signal to the PLA that American forces can counter advanced threats, military observers say.

www.scmp.com

Again if China demanded their money back

Stop.... Right there, your entire argument falls apart. China can not "demand" their money back.

That is impossible. The only thing they can do, is wait until the bonds mature, and collect the maturity.

Further, understand that when the bonds mature, the US government does not pay them in Yaun. They pay them in US Dollars. Which means China would have a bunch of US dollars they can't use to pay their employees, or buy anything in China.

They would have to use those dollars to purchase US goods.

That would boast the US stock market from a sudden increase in US exports.

Short of that, the only thing China can do with US bonds, is sell them.

Even then, they can not "Demand" their money, they have to sell them to whomever will buy them.

Let me ask you.... can I "Demand" you buy my old Grand Marquis? No. If you don't want to buy my car, I can't force you to do so.

Nor can China "demand" anyone buy their US Bonds.

So your very first sentence in your response is utterly flawed.

But he saw a movie where the bad guys sold their stocks (or bonds) and caused a new depression.

 

[esalla]

I have been saying this from the start...this strain is faaaar faaaar too weak to justify this response. They know something. They know...and the next time it's really gonna kill people...a lot of people.

And that response continues to this day...So the threat must still exist!

Yeah, something doesn't add up. There is something that is just not right about this. Well, lots of somethings. We can't count on the media to ask, my God they are nothing but worthless, if not straight out harmful themselves.

We are at war with china, no one who knows this wants the conflict to escalate to millions of degrees

The Chinese have controlling interest in many of the media companies. We have paid for our own destruction. Through purchase of cheap plastic shit at big box America we have ensured our own destruction.

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve. If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Why? Because the inmates are in charge

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve.

Baloney.

If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Hilarious! And wrong.

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve everyone who owns t bills does, China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies. None of this is speculative it's all fact. If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate and inflation would make a loaf of bread cost a hundred bucks at least

All in all we are fucked and idiots walking around in masks would all be better off dead

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve

You're lying.

everyone who owns t bills does

T-bills are debt issued by the US Treasury, not the Fed.

China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies.

About $1.1 trillion in Treasuries. I doubt they own anywhere near that in us stocks.

If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate

Dissipate? What do you mean?

If you do not know what dissipate means ask your homeroom teacher who will instruct you to use a dictionary

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

Play on little one

If you do not know what dissipate means

I know what dissipate means.
I don't know what your claim about China selling assets causing our economy to dissipate means.

So explain it.

How does China selling $1 trillion in Treasuries cause our economy to evaporate, disappear, vanish?

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

T-bills aren't backed by gold.

She (assuming that esalla is she) doesn't know what's she's talking about.

First, Even if China sells assets, they do not disappear, someone has to buys them.
Second, they cannot just send them back and demand cash, since they're long term based, for what they're getting paid interest. If they sell them, ownership changes, everything else, including terms stays the same.

If China sells everything, a panic begins and everyone rushes to sell everything and the stock market crashes and elevator shafts become full of economic geniuses like you

Google it, there are photos

How Much U.S. Debt Does China Own?

As of 2023, China owns more than $859.4 billion in U.S. debt. That's less than the U.S. debt owned by Japan and represents about 2.6% of the total U.S. debt. Learn more.

www.investopedia.com

First... There is over $25 Trillion in US bonds on the market.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

Moreover, why would there be a panic regardless?

The only possible reason there would be a panic, is if they believed the US wasn't going to pay the bonds. China selling, or not selling their bonds, wouldn't cause people to think well obvious the US is going to default.

China has already drastically reduced their holdings of US bonds. It hasn't caused people to think we were going to default.

Lastly, even if there was a crisis in the bond market, which could happen with, or without China doing anything... that isn't likely to cause a stock market crash.

We already know this from what happened in the UK.

U.K. Bond Auction Fails for First Time in 14 Years - WSJ

www.wsj.com

The UK government already had a bond crisis back in 2009. The stock market was already depressed because of the Sub-prime crash, but the bond failure had virtually no effect.

And why would it? British companies that were profitable and selling, were still profitable and selling.

The bond crisis pretty much only affected the government... because obviously it was the government that was unable to get money from selling the bonds.

Now obviously how the government responds to the bond crisis could cause a stock market crash. Thankfully the UK engaged in austerity. If they had instead engaged in tax hikes across the country, the results could have wrecked companies, and that could have severely damaged the stock market for sure.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

The US T-Bond market trades something like $500 billion a day.
Two days worth of typical sales......we're doomed!!!

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic and cause a stock market drop unlike any previously seen. No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA which would refer back to the drop that is still continuing, the unemployment would be real.

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Just remember I answer to no one, certainly not you or the children that you work with and for

Besides it's not like a disease could ever escape china and shut down the entire American economy and force the American military to pretend not to have raised the defcon level or launch missiles from the USS Barry

Enjoy

US Navy launches live-fire missiles in ‘warning to China’

Unusual drill in the Philippine Sea a signal to the PLA that American forces can counter advanced threats, military observers say.

www.scmp.com

Again if China demanded their money back

Stop.... Right there, your entire argument falls apart. China can not "demand" their money back.

That is impossible. The only thing they can do, is wait until the bonds mature, and collect the maturity.

Further, understand that when the bonds mature, the US government does not pay them in Yaun. They pay them in US Dollars. Which means China would have a bunch of US dollars they can't use to pay their employees, or buy anything in China.

They would have to use those dollars to purchase US goods.

That would boast the US stock market from a sudden increase in US exports.

Short of that, the only thing China can do with US bonds, is sell them.

Even then, they can not "Demand" their money, they have to sell them to whomever will buy them.

Let me ask you.... can I "Demand" you buy my old Grand Marquis? No. If you don't want to buy my car, I can't force you to do so.

Nor can China "demand" anyone buy their US Bonds.

So your very first sentence in your response is utterly flawed.

Make believe that I read your post, then resume derogatory remark removed

Just finished a 33 mile bicycle ride, dropped my average time by almost a minute per mile.

derogatory remark removed

Carry on

 

[Indeependent]

It looks like the state of NY is out of unemployment funds

As in...OUT!

Shouldn't unemployment be funded for at least six months?

NY will not run out of funds to support Trespasser.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I have been saying this from the start...this strain is faaaar faaaar too weak to justify this response. They know something. They know...and the next time it's really gonna kill people...a lot of people.

And that response continues to this day...So the threat must still exist!

Yeah, something doesn't add up. There is something that is just not right about this. Well, lots of somethings. We can't count on the media to ask, my God they are nothing but worthless, if not straight out harmful themselves.

We are at war with china, no one who knows this wants the conflict to escalate to millions of degrees

The Chinese have controlling interest in many of the media companies. We have paid for our own destruction. Through purchase of cheap plastic shit at big box America we have ensured our own destruction.

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve. If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Why? Because the inmates are in charge

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve.

Baloney.

If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Hilarious! And wrong.

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve everyone who owns t bills does, China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies. None of this is speculative it's all fact. If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate and inflation would make a loaf of bread cost a hundred bucks at least

All in all we are fucked and idiots walking around in masks would all be better off dead

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve

You're lying.

everyone who owns t bills does

T-bills are debt issued by the US Treasury, not the Fed.

China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies.

About $1.1 trillion in Treasuries. I doubt they own anywhere near that in us stocks.

If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate

Dissipate? What do you mean?

If you do not know what dissipate means ask your homeroom teacher who will instruct you to use a dictionary

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

Play on little one

If you do not know what dissipate means

I know what dissipate means.
I don't know what your claim about China selling assets causing our economy to dissipate means.

So explain it.

How does China selling $1 trillion in Treasuries cause our economy to evaporate, disappear, vanish?

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

T-bills aren't backed by gold.

She (assuming that esalla is she) doesn't know what's she's talking about.

First, Even if China sells assets, they do not disappear, someone has to buys them.
Second, they cannot just send them back and demand cash, since they're long term based, for what they're getting paid interest. If they sell them, ownership changes, everything else, including terms stays the same.

If China sells everything, a panic begins and everyone rushes to sell everything and the stock market crashes and elevator shafts become full of economic geniuses like you

Google it, there are photos

How Much U.S. Debt Does China Own?

As of 2023, China owns more than $859.4 billion in U.S. debt. That's less than the U.S. debt owned by Japan and represents about 2.6% of the total U.S. debt. Learn more.

www.investopedia.com

First... There is over $25 Trillion in US bonds on the market.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

Moreover, why would there be a panic regardless?

The only possible reason there would be a panic, is if they believed the US wasn't going to pay the bonds. China selling, or not selling their bonds, wouldn't cause people to think well obvious the US is going to default.

China has already drastically reduced their holdings of US bonds. It hasn't caused people to think we were going to default.

Lastly, even if there was a crisis in the bond market, which could happen with, or without China doing anything... that isn't likely to cause a stock market crash.

We already know this from what happened in the UK.

U.K. Bond Auction Fails for First Time in 14 Years - WSJ

www.wsj.com

The UK government already had a bond crisis back in 2009. The stock market was already depressed because of the Sub-prime crash, but the bond failure had virtually no effect.

And why would it? British companies that were profitable and selling, were still profitable and selling.

The bond crisis pretty much only affected the government... because obviously it was the government that was unable to get money from selling the bonds.

Now obviously how the government responds to the bond crisis could cause a stock market crash. Thankfully the UK engaged in austerity. If they had instead engaged in tax hikes across the country, the results could have wrecked companies, and that could have severely damaged the stock market for sure.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

The US T-Bond market trades something like $500 billion a day.
Two days worth of typical sales......we're doomed!!!

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic and cause a stock market drop unlike any previously seen. No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA which would refer back to the drop that is still continuing, the unemployment would be real.

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Just remember I answer to no one, certainly not you or the children that you work with and for

Besides it's not like a disease could ever escape china and shut down the entire American economy and force the American military to pretend not to have raised the defcon level or launch missiles from the USS Barry

Enjoy

US Navy launches live-fire missiles in ‘warning to China’

Unusual drill in the Philippine Sea a signal to the PLA that American forces can counter advanced threats, military observers say.

www.scmp.com

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic

First, they can't "demand" their money back. They can hold their Treasuries until they mature, or they can sell them. In either case they end up with dollars. Which they can re-invest or use to buy some other currency. If they sell dollars and buy Euros, for instance, the weaker dollar helps our trade balance and hurts Chinese exports to the US.

And like I said, selling 2 days worth of Treasury volume, wouldn't do shit to our stock market.

No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA

China could certainly do that. Millions of unemployed Chinese probably wouldn't be a problem for them, they can just crush them with tanks, eh?

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Hey, if they want to harm their own, rickety, about to collapse economy, I sure can't stop them.

LOL you are ranting like a spoiled little child. You have a better chance of winning the powerball then getting hit by lightning twice in the same day than derailing me.........................

But don't stop trying as it seems to be giving purpose to your otherwise worthless existence

Calmly pointing out your idiocy isn't ranting.

Now about those $100 loaves of bread...…….hilarious!

 

[Flopper]

Feel free to disagree with me...but this is not a left or right thread...leave politics out of it please.

We have massive money printing going on (stimulus checks) which will cause inflation...primarily with food because that is primarily where the printed money is going.

We have massive shutdowns of business which has cause massive loss in tax revenue.

We had unsustainable pension plans that have been hanging on by their finger tips for years...the loss of tax revenue will certainly be enough to tip these over.

The job losses have caused millions to not be able to pay their rent or mortgage...landlords and mortgage companies CAN'T TAKE THAT HIT...they'll go bankrupt.

It is said that 4 out of 5 businesses that are closed right now will not re-open. That will hit the commercial mortgage sector. (not to mention the MBS's and the CDO's which is what started the 2008 financial crisis).

What we are about to see is going to be biblical in scope! And if you are not afraid, you are not paying attention.

Chances are, bad things are ahead. I pray for this nation as my grandparents did when they joined the American Legion and dedicated their lives to helping all those who lost limbs, the widows of those who lost their life in Normandy, Germany, Pearl Harbor, and the Pacific theater. I pray for all those who were helpless in this terroristic pandemic, and I believe God will help those who survived because he has blessed and loved America, who has always fought for the world's underdogs and against foreign and domestic terrorists of other people who would put the people through humiliation and not for their improvement in the sight of God, either. I pray for this nation that believes in God and serves his causes which are of peace and brotherhood. When God , the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ are for us, who can be against us? No one, and we are for those who are persecuted in His name, the orphan, and the widow. May God bless America and its leaders and remove from power those who would destroy the Church and its teachings of God's love for us and those we help. Amen.

Remember, that in Him there no darkness is.

We have gone through a heck of a lot worse in this country than covid 19. What we going through now doesn't even come close to WWII, the Spanish Influenza, or the Civil War. Covid 19 will be a very small footnote in our history.

 

[esalla]

I have been saying this from the start...this strain is faaaar faaaar too weak to justify this response. They know something. They know...and the next time it's really gonna kill people...a lot of people.

And that response continues to this day...So the threat must still exist!

Yeah, something doesn't add up. There is something that is just not right about this. Well, lots of somethings. We can't count on the media to ask, my God they are nothing but worthless, if not straight out harmful themselves.

We are at war with china, no one who knows this wants the conflict to escalate to millions of degrees

The Chinese have controlling interest in many of the media companies. We have paid for our own destruction. Through purchase of cheap plastic shit at big box America we have ensured our own destruction.

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve. If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Why? Because the inmates are in charge

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve.

Baloney.

If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Hilarious! And wrong.

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve everyone who owns t bills does, China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies. None of this is speculative it's all fact. If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate and inflation would make a loaf of bread cost a hundred bucks at least

All in all we are fucked and idiots walking around in masks would all be better off dead

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve

You're lying.

everyone who owns t bills does

T-bills are debt issued by the US Treasury, not the Fed.

China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies.

About $1.1 trillion in Treasuries. I doubt they own anywhere near that in us stocks.

If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate

Dissipate? What do you mean?

If you do not know what dissipate means ask your homeroom teacher who will instruct you to use a dictionary

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

Play on little one

If you do not know what dissipate means

I know what dissipate means.
I don't know what your claim about China selling assets causing our economy to dissipate means.

So explain it.

How does China selling $1 trillion in Treasuries cause our economy to evaporate, disappear, vanish?

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

T-bills aren't backed by gold.

She (assuming that esalla is she) doesn't know what's she's talking about.

First, Even if China sells assets, they do not disappear, someone has to buys them.
Second, they cannot just send them back and demand cash, since they're long term based, for what they're getting paid interest. If they sell them, ownership changes, everything else, including terms stays the same.

If China sells everything, a panic begins and everyone rushes to sell everything and the stock market crashes and elevator shafts become full of economic geniuses like you

Google it, there are photos

How Much U.S. Debt Does China Own?

As of 2023, China owns more than $859.4 billion in U.S. debt. That's less than the U.S. debt owned by Japan and represents about 2.6% of the total U.S. debt. Learn more.

www.investopedia.com

First... There is over $25 Trillion in US bonds on the market.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

Moreover, why would there be a panic regardless?

The only possible reason there would be a panic, is if they believed the US wasn't going to pay the bonds. China selling, or not selling their bonds, wouldn't cause people to think well obvious the US is going to default.

China has already drastically reduced their holdings of US bonds. It hasn't caused people to think we were going to default.

Lastly, even if there was a crisis in the bond market, which could happen with, or without China doing anything... that isn't likely to cause a stock market crash.

We already know this from what happened in the UK.

U.K. Bond Auction Fails for First Time in 14 Years - WSJ

www.wsj.com

The UK government already had a bond crisis back in 2009. The stock market was already depressed because of the Sub-prime crash, but the bond failure had virtually no effect.

And why would it? British companies that were profitable and selling, were still profitable and selling.

The bond crisis pretty much only affected the government... because obviously it was the government that was unable to get money from selling the bonds.

Now obviously how the government responds to the bond crisis could cause a stock market crash. Thankfully the UK engaged in austerity. If they had instead engaged in tax hikes across the country, the results could have wrecked companies, and that could have severely damaged the stock market for sure.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

The US T-Bond market trades something like $500 billion a day.
Two days worth of typical sales......we're doomed!!!

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic and cause a stock market drop unlike any previously seen. No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA which would refer back to the drop that is still continuing, the unemployment would be real.

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Just remember I answer to no one, certainly not you or the children that you work with and for

Besides it's not like a disease could ever escape china and shut down the entire American economy and force the American military to pretend not to have raised the defcon level or launch missiles from the USS Barry

Enjoy

US Navy launches live-fire missiles in ‘warning to China’

Unusual drill in the Philippine Sea a signal to the PLA that American forces can counter advanced threats, military observers say.

www.scmp.com

Again if China demanded their money back

Stop.... Right there, your entire argument falls apart. China can not "demand" their money back.

That is impossible. The only thing they can do, is wait until the bonds mature, and collect the maturity.

Further, understand that when the bonds mature, the US government does not pay them in Yaun. They pay them in US Dollars. Which means China would have a bunch of US dollars they can't use to pay their employees, or buy anything in China.

They would have to use those dollars to purchase US goods.

That would boast the US stock market from a sudden increase in US exports.

Short of that, the only thing China can do with US bonds, is sell them.

Even then, they can not "Demand" their money, they have to sell them to whomever will buy them.

Let me ask you.... can I "Demand" you buy my old Grand Marquis? No. If you don't want to buy my car, I can't force you to do so.

Nor can China "demand" anyone buy their US Bonds.

So your very first sentence in your response is utterly flawed.

But he saw a movie where the bad guys sold their stocks (or bonds) and caused a new depression.

I also saw a movie where the chinks completely shut down the entire American economy with a bat virus.......................

derogatory remark removed

 

[esalla]

I have been saying this from the start...this strain is faaaar faaaar too weak to justify this response. They know something. They know...and the next time it's really gonna kill people...a lot of people.

And that response continues to this day...So the threat must still exist!

Yeah, something doesn't add up. There is something that is just not right about this. Well, lots of somethings. We can't count on the media to ask, my God they are nothing but worthless, if not straight out harmful themselves.

We are at war with china, no one who knows this wants the conflict to escalate to millions of degrees

The Chinese have controlling interest in many of the media companies. We have paid for our own destruction. Through purchase of cheap plastic shit at big box America we have ensured our own destruction.

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve. If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Why? Because the inmates are in charge

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve.

Baloney.

If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Hilarious! And wrong.

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve everyone who owns t bills does, China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies. None of this is speculative it's all fact. If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate and inflation would make a loaf of bread cost a hundred bucks at least

All in all we are fucked and idiots walking around in masks would all be better off dead

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve

You're lying.

everyone who owns t bills does

T-bills are debt issued by the US Treasury, not the Fed.

China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies.

About $1.1 trillion in Treasuries. I doubt they own anywhere near that in us stocks.

If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate

Dissipate? What do you mean?

If you do not know what dissipate means ask your homeroom teacher who will instruct you to use a dictionary

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

Play on little one

If you do not know what dissipate means

I know what dissipate means.
I don't know what your claim about China selling assets causing our economy to dissipate means.

So explain it.

How does China selling $1 trillion in Treasuries cause our economy to evaporate, disappear, vanish?

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

T-bills aren't backed by gold.

She (assuming that esalla is she) doesn't know what's she's talking about.

First, Even if China sells assets, they do not disappear, someone has to buys them.
Second, they cannot just send them back and demand cash, since they're long term based, for what they're getting paid interest. If they sell them, ownership changes, everything else, including terms stays the same.

If China sells everything, a panic begins and everyone rushes to sell everything and the stock market crashes and elevator shafts become full of economic geniuses like you

Google it, there are photos

How Much U.S. Debt Does China Own?

As of 2023, China owns more than $859.4 billion in U.S. debt. That's less than the U.S. debt owned by Japan and represents about 2.6% of the total U.S. debt. Learn more.

www.investopedia.com

First... There is over $25 Trillion in US bonds on the market.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

Moreover, why would there be a panic regardless?

The only possible reason there would be a panic, is if they believed the US wasn't going to pay the bonds. China selling, or not selling their bonds, wouldn't cause people to think well obvious the US is going to default.

China has already drastically reduced their holdings of US bonds. It hasn't caused people to think we were going to default.

Lastly, even if there was a crisis in the bond market, which could happen with, or without China doing anything... that isn't likely to cause a stock market crash.

We already know this from what happened in the UK.

U.K. Bond Auction Fails for First Time in 14 Years - WSJ

www.wsj.com

The UK government already had a bond crisis back in 2009. The stock market was already depressed because of the Sub-prime crash, but the bond failure had virtually no effect.

And why would it? British companies that were profitable and selling, were still profitable and selling.

The bond crisis pretty much only affected the government... because obviously it was the government that was unable to get money from selling the bonds.

Now obviously how the government responds to the bond crisis could cause a stock market crash. Thankfully the UK engaged in austerity. If they had instead engaged in tax hikes across the country, the results could have wrecked companies, and that could have severely damaged the stock market for sure.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

The US T-Bond market trades something like $500 billion a day.
Two days worth of typical sales......we're doomed!!!

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic and cause a stock market drop unlike any previously seen. No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA which would refer back to the drop that is still continuing, the unemployment would be real.

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Just remember I answer to no one, certainly not you or the children that you work with and for

Besides it's not like a disease could ever escape china and shut down the entire American economy and force the American military to pretend not to have raised the defcon level or launch missiles from the USS Barry

Enjoy

US Navy launches live-fire missiles in ‘warning to China’

Unusual drill in the Philippine Sea a signal to the PLA that American forces can counter advanced threats, military observers say.

www.scmp.com

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic

First, they can't "demand" their money back. They can hold their Treasuries until they mature, or they can sell them. In either case they end up with dollars. Which they can re-invest or use to buy some other currency. If they sell dollars and buy Euros, for instance, the weaker dollar helps our trade balance and hurts Chinese exports to the US.

And like I said, selling 2 days worth of Treasury volume, wouldn't do shit to our stock market.

No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA

China could certainly do that. Millions of unemployed Chinese probably wouldn't be a problem for them, they can just crush them with tanks, eh?

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Hey, if they want to harm their own, rickety, about to collapse economy, I sure can't stop them.

LOL you are ranting like a spoiled little child. You have a better chance of winning the powerball then getting hit by lightning twice in the same day than derailing me.........................

But don't stop trying as it seems to be giving purpose to your otherwise worthless existence

Calmly pointing out your idiocy isn't ranting.

Now about those $100 loaves of bread...…….hilarious!

I also saw a movie where the chinks completely shut down the entire American economy with a bat virus, tell us could that happen?

derogatory comment removed

130 vs 95

 

[Andylusion]

I have been saying this from the start...this strain is faaaar faaaar too weak to justify this response. They know something. They know...and the next time it's really gonna kill people...a lot of people.

And that response continues to this day...So the threat must still exist!

Yeah, something doesn't add up. There is something that is just not right about this. Well, lots of somethings. We can't count on the media to ask, my God they are nothing but worthless, if not straight out harmful themselves.

We are at war with china, no one who knows this wants the conflict to escalate to millions of degrees

The Chinese have controlling interest in many of the media companies. We have paid for our own destruction. Through purchase of cheap plastic shit at big box America we have ensured our own destruction.

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve. If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Why? Because the inmates are in charge

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve.

Baloney.

If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Hilarious! And wrong.

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve everyone who owns t bills does, China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies. None of this is speculative it's all fact. If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate and inflation would make a loaf of bread cost a hundred bucks at least

All in all we are fucked and idiots walking around in masks would all be better off dead

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve

You're lying.

everyone who owns t bills does

T-bills are debt issued by the US Treasury, not the Fed.

China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies.

About $1.1 trillion in Treasuries. I doubt they own anywhere near that in us stocks.

If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate

Dissipate? What do you mean?

If you do not know what dissipate means ask your homeroom teacher who will instruct you to use a dictionary

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

Play on little one

If you do not know what dissipate means

I know what dissipate means.
I don't know what your claim about China selling assets causing our economy to dissipate means.

So explain it.

How does China selling $1 trillion in Treasuries cause our economy to evaporate, disappear, vanish?

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

T-bills aren't backed by gold.

She (assuming that esalla is she) doesn't know what's she's talking about.

First, Even if China sells assets, they do not disappear, someone has to buys them.
Second, they cannot just send them back and demand cash, since they're long term based, for what they're getting paid interest. If they sell them, ownership changes, everything else, including terms stays the same.

If China sells everything, a panic begins and everyone rushes to sell everything and the stock market crashes and elevator shafts become full of economic geniuses like you

Google it, there are photos

How Much U.S. Debt Does China Own?

As of 2023, China owns more than $859.4 billion in U.S. debt. That's less than the U.S. debt owned by Japan and represents about 2.6% of the total U.S. debt. Learn more.

www.investopedia.com

First... There is over $25 Trillion in US bonds on the market.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

Moreover, why would there be a panic regardless?

The only possible reason there would be a panic, is if they believed the US wasn't going to pay the bonds. China selling, or not selling their bonds, wouldn't cause people to think well obvious the US is going to default.

China has already drastically reduced their holdings of US bonds. It hasn't caused people to think we were going to default.

Lastly, even if there was a crisis in the bond market, which could happen with, or without China doing anything... that isn't likely to cause a stock market crash.

We already know this from what happened in the UK.

U.K. Bond Auction Fails for First Time in 14 Years - WSJ

www.wsj.com

The UK government already had a bond crisis back in 2009. The stock market was already depressed because of the Sub-prime crash, but the bond failure had virtually no effect.

And why would it? British companies that were profitable and selling, were still profitable and selling.

The bond crisis pretty much only affected the government... because obviously it was the government that was unable to get money from selling the bonds.

Now obviously how the government responds to the bond crisis could cause a stock market crash. Thankfully the UK engaged in austerity. If they had instead engaged in tax hikes across the country, the results could have wrecked companies, and that could have severely damaged the stock market for sure.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

The US T-Bond market trades something like $500 billion a day.
Two days worth of typical sales......we're doomed!!!

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic and cause a stock market drop unlike any previously seen. No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA which would refer back to the drop that is still continuing, the unemployment would be real.

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Just remember I answer to no one, certainly not you or the children that you work with and for

Besides it's not like a disease could ever escape china and shut down the entire American economy and force the American military to pretend not to have raised the defcon level or launch missiles from the USS Barry

Enjoy

US Navy launches live-fire missiles in ‘warning to China’

Unusual drill in the Philippine Sea a signal to the PLA that American forces can counter advanced threats, military observers say.

www.scmp.com

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic

First, they can't "demand" their money back. They can hold their Treasuries until they mature, or they can sell them. In either case they end up with dollars. Which they can re-invest or use to buy some other currency. If they sell dollars and buy Euros, for instance, the weaker dollar helps our trade balance and hurts Chinese exports to the US.

And like I said, selling 2 days worth of Treasury volume, wouldn't do shit to our stock market.

No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA

China could certainly do that. Millions of unemployed Chinese probably wouldn't be a problem for them, they can just crush them with tanks, eh?

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Hey, if they want to harm their own, rickety, about to collapse economy, I sure can't stop them.

LOL you are ranting like a spoiled little child. You have a better chance of winning the powerball then getting hit by lightning twice in the same day than derailing me.........................

But don't stop trying as it seems to be giving purpose to your otherwise worthless existence

Calmly pointing out your idiocy isn't ranting.

Now about those $100 loaves of bread...…….hilarious!

I also saw a movie where the chinks completely shut down the entire American economy with a bat virus, tell us could that happen?

Continue wanking

130 vs 95

They didn't.
China did not shut down the entire US economy with a bat virus.

First, the entire economy isn't shut down. I've had 3 job offers in the past month. People are hiring. How are hiring if the "entire American economy" is shut down?

There plenty of companies operating. Plenty. You can say the economy is hindered... yes, it is hindered. Yes some companies are shut down. But not entire economy. Don't be ridiculous.

Second, China did not do it. The US government imposed lock down restrictions. It wasn't China.

We know that because they didn't shut down Sweden or Japan, or many others. Their government refused to engage in Draconian measures. Ours did.

China didn't do it.

Lastly, we don't yet know if it was an engineered virus or something. Is that possible? Yeah... but... I'm not going to jump to conspiracy theory conclusions without evidence.

 

[esalla]

I have been saying this from the start...this strain is faaaar faaaar too weak to justify this response. They know something. They know...and the next time it's really gonna kill people...a lot of people.

And that response continues to this day...So the threat must still exist!

Yeah, something doesn't add up. There is something that is just not right about this. Well, lots of somethings. We can't count on the media to ask, my God they are nothing but worthless, if not straight out harmful themselves.

We are at war with china, no one who knows this wants the conflict to escalate to millions of degrees

The Chinese have controlling interest in many of the media companies. We have paid for our own destruction. Through purchase of cheap plastic shit at big box America we have ensured our own destruction.

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve. If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Why? Because the inmates are in charge

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve.

Baloney.

If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Hilarious! And wrong.

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve everyone who owns t bills does, China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies. None of this is speculative it's all fact. If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate and inflation would make a loaf of bread cost a hundred bucks at least

All in all we are fucked and idiots walking around in masks would all be better off dead

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve

You're lying.

everyone who owns t bills does

T-bills are debt issued by the US Treasury, not the Fed.

China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies.

About $1.1 trillion in Treasuries. I doubt they own anywhere near that in us stocks.

If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate

Dissipate? What do you mean?

If you do not know what dissipate means ask your homeroom teacher who will instruct you to use a dictionary

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

Play on little one

If you do not know what dissipate means

I know what dissipate means.
I don't know what your claim about China selling assets causing our economy to dissipate means.

So explain it.

How does China selling $1 trillion in Treasuries cause our economy to evaporate, disappear, vanish?

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

T-bills aren't backed by gold.

She (assuming that esalla is she) doesn't know what's she's talking about.

First, Even if China sells assets, they do not disappear, someone has to buys them.
Second, they cannot just send them back and demand cash, since they're long term based, for what they're getting paid interest. If they sell them, ownership changes, everything else, including terms stays the same.

If China sells everything, a panic begins and everyone rushes to sell everything and the stock market crashes and elevator shafts become full of economic geniuses like you

Google it, there are photos

How Much U.S. Debt Does China Own?

As of 2023, China owns more than $859.4 billion in U.S. debt. That's less than the U.S. debt owned by Japan and represents about 2.6% of the total U.S. debt. Learn more.

www.investopedia.com

First... There is over $25 Trillion in US bonds on the market.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

Moreover, why would there be a panic regardless?

The only possible reason there would be a panic, is if they believed the US wasn't going to pay the bonds. China selling, or not selling their bonds, wouldn't cause people to think well obvious the US is going to default.

China has already drastically reduced their holdings of US bonds. It hasn't caused people to think we were going to default.

Lastly, even if there was a crisis in the bond market, which could happen with, or without China doing anything... that isn't likely to cause a stock market crash.

We already know this from what happened in the UK.

U.K. Bond Auction Fails for First Time in 14 Years - WSJ

www.wsj.com

The UK government already had a bond crisis back in 2009. The stock market was already depressed because of the Sub-prime crash, but the bond failure had virtually no effect.

And why would it? British companies that were profitable and selling, were still profitable and selling.

The bond crisis pretty much only affected the government... because obviously it was the government that was unable to get money from selling the bonds.

Now obviously how the government responds to the bond crisis could cause a stock market crash. Thankfully the UK engaged in austerity. If they had instead engaged in tax hikes across the country, the results could have wrecked companies, and that could have severely damaged the stock market for sure.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

The US T-Bond market trades something like $500 billion a day.
Two days worth of typical sales......we're doomed!!!

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic and cause a stock market drop unlike any previously seen. No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA which would refer back to the drop that is still continuing, the unemployment would be real.

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Just remember I answer to no one, certainly not you or the children that you work with and for

Besides it's not like a disease could ever escape china and shut down the entire American economy and force the American military to pretend not to have raised the defcon level or launch missiles from the USS Barry

Enjoy

US Navy launches live-fire missiles in ‘warning to China’

Unusual drill in the Philippine Sea a signal to the PLA that American forces can counter advanced threats, military observers say.

www.scmp.com

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic

First, they can't "demand" their money back. They can hold their Treasuries until they mature, or they can sell them. In either case they end up with dollars. Which they can re-invest or use to buy some other currency. If they sell dollars and buy Euros, for instance, the weaker dollar helps our trade balance and hurts Chinese exports to the US.

And like I said, selling 2 days worth of Treasury volume, wouldn't do shit to our stock market.

No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA

China could certainly do that. Millions of unemployed Chinese probably wouldn't be a problem for them, they can just crush them with tanks, eh?

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Hey, if they want to harm their own, rickety, about to collapse economy, I sure can't stop them.

LOL you are ranting like a spoiled little child. You have a better chance of winning the powerball then getting hit by lightning twice in the same day than derailing me.........................

But don't stop trying as it seems to be giving purpose to your otherwise worthless existence

Calmly pointing out your idiocy isn't ranting.

Now about those $100 loaves of bread...…….hilarious!

I also saw a movie where the chinks completely shut down the entire American economy with a bat virus, tell us could that happen?

Continue wanking

130 vs 95

They didn't.
China did not shut down the entire US economy with a bat virus.

First, the entire economy isn't shut down. I've had 3 job offers in the past month. People are hiring. How are hiring if the "entire American economy" is shut down?

There plenty of companies operating. Plenty. You can say the economy is hindered... yes, it is hindered. Yes some companies are shut down. But not entire economy. Don't be ridiculous.

Second, China did not do it. The US government imposed lock down restrictions. It wasn't China.

We know that because they didn't shut down Sweden or Japan, or many others. Their government refused to engage in Draconian measures. Ours did.

China didn't do it.

Lastly, we don't yet know if it was an engineered virus or something. Is that possible? Yeah... but... I'm not going to jump to conspiracy theory conclusions without evidence.

Ok dude you stay there in la la land pretending that the American economy is not shut down because of a bat virus that the Chinese imported into the USA

 

[esalla]

I have been saying this from the start...this strain is faaaar faaaar too weak to justify this response. They know something. They know...and the next time it's really gonna kill people...a lot of people.

And that response continues to this day...So the threat must still exist!

Yeah, something doesn't add up. There is something that is just not right about this. Well, lots of somethings. We can't count on the media to ask, my God they are nothing but worthless, if not straight out harmful themselves.

We are at war with china, no one who knows this wants the conflict to escalate to millions of degrees

The Chinese have controlling interest in many of the media companies. We have paid for our own destruction. Through purchase of cheap plastic shit at big box America we have ensured our own destruction.

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve. If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Why? Because the inmates are in charge

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve.

Baloney.

If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Hilarious! And wrong.

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve everyone who owns t bills does, China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies. None of this is speculative it's all fact. If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate and inflation would make a loaf of bread cost a hundred bucks at least

All in all we are fucked and idiots walking around in masks would all be better off dead

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve

You're lying.

everyone who owns t bills does

T-bills are debt issued by the US Treasury, not the Fed.

China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies.

About $1.1 trillion in Treasuries. I doubt they own anywhere near that in us stocks.

If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate

Dissipate? What do you mean?

If you do not know what dissipate means ask your homeroom teacher who will instruct you to use a dictionary

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

Play on little one

If you do not know what dissipate means

I know what dissipate means.
I don't know what your claim about China selling assets causing our economy to dissipate means.

So explain it.

How does China selling $1 trillion in Treasuries cause our economy to evaporate, disappear, vanish?

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

T-bills aren't backed by gold.

She (assuming that esalla is she) doesn't know what's she's talking about.

First, Even if China sells assets, they do not disappear, someone has to buys them.
Second, they cannot just send them back and demand cash, since they're long term based, for what they're getting paid interest. If they sell them, ownership changes, everything else, including terms stays the same.

If China sells everything, a panic begins and everyone rushes to sell everything and the stock market crashes and elevator shafts become full of economic geniuses like you

Google it, there are photos

How Much U.S. Debt Does China Own?

As of 2023, China owns more than $859.4 billion in U.S. debt. That's less than the U.S. debt owned by Japan and represents about 2.6% of the total U.S. debt. Learn more.

www.investopedia.com

First... There is over $25 Trillion in US bonds on the market.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

Moreover, why would there be a panic regardless?

The only possible reason there would be a panic, is if they believed the US wasn't going to pay the bonds. China selling, or not selling their bonds, wouldn't cause people to think well obvious the US is going to default.

China has already drastically reduced their holdings of US bonds. It hasn't caused people to think we were going to default.

Lastly, even if there was a crisis in the bond market, which could happen with, or without China doing anything... that isn't likely to cause a stock market crash.

We already know this from what happened in the UK.

U.K. Bond Auction Fails for First Time in 14 Years - WSJ

www.wsj.com

The UK government already had a bond crisis back in 2009. The stock market was already depressed because of the Sub-prime crash, but the bond failure had virtually no effect.

And why would it? British companies that were profitable and selling, were still profitable and selling.

The bond crisis pretty much only affected the government... because obviously it was the government that was unable to get money from selling the bonds.

Now obviously how the government responds to the bond crisis could cause a stock market crash. Thankfully the UK engaged in austerity. If they had instead engaged in tax hikes across the country, the results could have wrecked companies, and that could have severely damaged the stock market for sure.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

The US T-Bond market trades something like $500 billion a day.
Two days worth of typical sales......we're doomed!!!

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic and cause a stock market drop unlike any previously seen. No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA which would refer back to the drop that is still continuing, the unemployment would be real.

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Just remember I answer to no one, certainly not you or the children that you work with and for

Besides it's not like a disease could ever escape china and shut down the entire American economy and force the American military to pretend not to have raised the defcon level or launch missiles from the USS Barry

Enjoy

US Navy launches live-fire missiles in ‘warning to China’

Unusual drill in the Philippine Sea a signal to the PLA that American forces can counter advanced threats, military observers say.

www.scmp.com

Again if China demanded their money back

Stop.... Right there, your entire argument falls apart. China can not "demand" their money back.

That is impossible. The only thing they can do, is wait until the bonds mature, and collect the maturity.

Further, understand that when the bonds mature, the US government does not pay them in Yaun. They pay them in US Dollars. Which means China would have a bunch of US dollars they can't use to pay their employees, or buy anything in China.

They would have to use those dollars to purchase US goods.

That would boast the US stock market from a sudden increase in US exports.

Short of that, the only thing China can do with US bonds, is sell them.

Even then, they can not "Demand" their money, they have to sell them to whomever will buy them.

Let me ask you.... can I "Demand" you buy my old Grand Marquis? No. If you don't want to buy my car, I can't force you to do so.

Nor can China "demand" anyone buy their US Bonds.

So your very first sentence in your response is utterly flawed.

Make believe that I read your post, then resume wanking

Just finished a 33 mile bicycle ride, dropped my average time by almost a minute per mile.

You wanked

Carry on

If you don't stop with the insults, I'll have your dumb butt banned from this thread, toddler. You cut it out now. I'm reporting every single post of yours to the moderators until they ban your butt.

Understand?

Yawning, so are you actually arguing that there is no bat virus and that the economy has not been shut due to Chinese bat deaths

 

[Andylusion]

I have been saying this from the start...this strain is faaaar faaaar too weak to justify this response. They know something. They know...and the next time it's really gonna kill people...a lot of people.

And that response continues to this day...So the threat must still exist!

Yeah, something doesn't add up. There is something that is just not right about this. Well, lots of somethings. We can't count on the media to ask, my God they are nothing but worthless, if not straight out harmful themselves.

We are at war with china, no one who knows this wants the conflict to escalate to millions of degrees

The Chinese have controlling interest in many of the media companies. We have paid for our own destruction. Through purchase of cheap plastic shit at big box America we have ensured our own destruction.

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve. If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Why? Because the inmates are in charge

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve.

Baloney.

If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Hilarious! And wrong.

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve everyone who owns t bills does, China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies. None of this is speculative it's all fact. If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate and inflation would make a loaf of bread cost a hundred bucks at least

All in all we are fucked and idiots walking around in masks would all be better off dead

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve

You're lying.

everyone who owns t bills does

T-bills are debt issued by the US Treasury, not the Fed.

China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies.

About $1.1 trillion in Treasuries. I doubt they own anywhere near that in us stocks.

If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate

Dissipate? What do you mean?

If you do not know what dissipate means ask your homeroom teacher who will instruct you to use a dictionary

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

Play on little one

If you do not know what dissipate means

I know what dissipate means.
I don't know what your claim about China selling assets causing our economy to dissipate means.

So explain it.

How does China selling $1 trillion in Treasuries cause our economy to evaporate, disappear, vanish?

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

T-bills aren't backed by gold.

She (assuming that esalla is she) doesn't know what's she's talking about.

First, Even if China sells assets, they do not disappear, someone has to buys them.
Second, they cannot just send them back and demand cash, since they're long term based, for what they're getting paid interest. If they sell them, ownership changes, everything else, including terms stays the same.

If China sells everything, a panic begins and everyone rushes to sell everything and the stock market crashes and elevator shafts become full of economic geniuses like you

Google it, there are photos

How Much U.S. Debt Does China Own?

As of 2023, China owns more than $859.4 billion in U.S. debt. That's less than the U.S. debt owned by Japan and represents about 2.6% of the total U.S. debt. Learn more.

www.investopedia.com

First... There is over $25 Trillion in US bonds on the market.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

Moreover, why would there be a panic regardless?

The only possible reason there would be a panic, is if they believed the US wasn't going to pay the bonds. China selling, or not selling their bonds, wouldn't cause people to think well obvious the US is going to default.

China has already drastically reduced their holdings of US bonds. It hasn't caused people to think we were going to default.

Lastly, even if there was a crisis in the bond market, which could happen with, or without China doing anything... that isn't likely to cause a stock market crash.

We already know this from what happened in the UK.

U.K. Bond Auction Fails for First Time in 14 Years - WSJ

www.wsj.com

The UK government already had a bond crisis back in 2009. The stock market was already depressed because of the Sub-prime crash, but the bond failure had virtually no effect.

And why would it? British companies that were profitable and selling, were still profitable and selling.

The bond crisis pretty much only affected the government... because obviously it was the government that was unable to get money from selling the bonds.

Now obviously how the government responds to the bond crisis could cause a stock market crash. Thankfully the UK engaged in austerity. If they had instead engaged in tax hikes across the country, the results could have wrecked companies, and that could have severely damaged the stock market for sure.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

The US T-Bond market trades something like $500 billion a day.
Two days worth of typical sales......we're doomed!!!

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic and cause a stock market drop unlike any previously seen. No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA which would refer back to the drop that is still continuing, the unemployment would be real.

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Just remember I answer to no one, certainly not you or the children that you work with and for

Besides it's not like a disease could ever escape china and shut down the entire American economy and force the American military to pretend not to have raised the defcon level or launch missiles from the USS Barry

Enjoy

US Navy launches live-fire missiles in ‘warning to China’

Unusual drill in the Philippine Sea a signal to the PLA that American forces can counter advanced threats, military observers say.

www.scmp.com

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic

First, they can't "demand" their money back. They can hold their Treasuries until they mature, or they can sell them. In either case they end up with dollars. Which they can re-invest or use to buy some other currency. If they sell dollars and buy Euros, for instance, the weaker dollar helps our trade balance and hurts Chinese exports to the US.

And like I said, selling 2 days worth of Treasury volume, wouldn't do shit to our stock market.

No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA

China could certainly do that. Millions of unemployed Chinese probably wouldn't be a problem for them, they can just crush them with tanks, eh?

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Hey, if they want to harm their own, rickety, about to collapse economy, I sure can't stop them.

LOL you are ranting like a spoiled little child. You have a better chance of winning the powerball then getting hit by lightning twice in the same day than derailing me.........................

But don't stop trying as it seems to be giving purpose to your otherwise worthless existence

Calmly pointing out your idiocy isn't ranting.

Now about those $100 loaves of bread...…….hilarious!

I also saw a movie where the chinks completely shut down the entire American economy with a bat virus, tell us could that happen?

Continue wanking

130 vs 95

They didn't.
China did not shut down the entire US economy with a bat virus.

First, the entire economy isn't shut down. I've had 3 job offers in the past month. People are hiring. How are hiring if the "entire American economy" is shut down?

There plenty of companies operating. Plenty. You can say the economy is hindered... yes, it is hindered. Yes some companies are shut down. But not entire economy. Don't be ridiculous.

Second, China did not do it. The US government imposed lock down restrictions. It wasn't China.

We know that because they didn't shut down Sweden or Japan, or many others. Their government refused to engage in Draconian measures. Ours did.

China didn't do it.

Lastly, we don't yet know if it was an engineered virus or something. Is that possible? Yeah... but... I'm not going to jump to conspiracy theory conclusions without evidence.

Ok dude you stay there in la la land pretending that the American economy is not shut down because of a bat virus

I just ordered a Pizza from Donatos, and it was hot and fresh.

Please explain how if the entire economy is shut down, why I was able to do that.

Definition of ENTIRE

having no element or part left out : whole; complete in degree : total; consisting of one piece… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

 

[Andylusion]

I have been saying this from the start...this strain is faaaar faaaar too weak to justify this response. They know something. They know...and the next time it's really gonna kill people...a lot of people.

And that response continues to this day...So the threat must still exist!

Yeah, something doesn't add up. There is something that is just not right about this. Well, lots of somethings. We can't count on the media to ask, my God they are nothing but worthless, if not straight out harmful themselves.

We are at war with china, no one who knows this wants the conflict to escalate to millions of degrees

The Chinese have controlling interest in many of the media companies. We have paid for our own destruction. Through purchase of cheap plastic shit at big box America we have ensured our own destruction.

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve. If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Why? Because the inmates are in charge

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve.

Baloney.

If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Hilarious! And wrong.

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve everyone who owns t bills does, China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies. None of this is speculative it's all fact. If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate and inflation would make a loaf of bread cost a hundred bucks at least

All in all we are fucked and idiots walking around in masks would all be better off dead

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve

You're lying.

everyone who owns t bills does

T-bills are debt issued by the US Treasury, not the Fed.

China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies.

About $1.1 trillion in Treasuries. I doubt they own anywhere near that in us stocks.

If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate

Dissipate? What do you mean?

If you do not know what dissipate means ask your homeroom teacher who will instruct you to use a dictionary

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

Play on little one

If you do not know what dissipate means

I know what dissipate means.
I don't know what your claim about China selling assets causing our economy to dissipate means.

So explain it.

How does China selling $1 trillion in Treasuries cause our economy to evaporate, disappear, vanish?

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

T-bills aren't backed by gold.

She (assuming that esalla is she) doesn't know what's she's talking about.

First, Even if China sells assets, they do not disappear, someone has to buys them.
Second, they cannot just send them back and demand cash, since they're long term based, for what they're getting paid interest. If they sell them, ownership changes, everything else, including terms stays the same.

If China sells everything, a panic begins and everyone rushes to sell everything and the stock market crashes and elevator shafts become full of economic geniuses like you

Google it, there are photos

How Much U.S. Debt Does China Own?

As of 2023, China owns more than $859.4 billion in U.S. debt. That's less than the U.S. debt owned by Japan and represents about 2.6% of the total U.S. debt. Learn more.

www.investopedia.com

First... There is over $25 Trillion in US bonds on the market.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

Moreover, why would there be a panic regardless?

The only possible reason there would be a panic, is if they believed the US wasn't going to pay the bonds. China selling, or not selling their bonds, wouldn't cause people to think well obvious the US is going to default.

China has already drastically reduced their holdings of US bonds. It hasn't caused people to think we were going to default.

Lastly, even if there was a crisis in the bond market, which could happen with, or without China doing anything... that isn't likely to cause a stock market crash.

We already know this from what happened in the UK.

U.K. Bond Auction Fails for First Time in 14 Years - WSJ

www.wsj.com

The UK government already had a bond crisis back in 2009. The stock market was already depressed because of the Sub-prime crash, but the bond failure had virtually no effect.

And why would it? British companies that were profitable and selling, were still profitable and selling.

The bond crisis pretty much only affected the government... because obviously it was the government that was unable to get money from selling the bonds.

Now obviously how the government responds to the bond crisis could cause a stock market crash. Thankfully the UK engaged in austerity. If they had instead engaged in tax hikes across the country, the results could have wrecked companies, and that could have severely damaged the stock market for sure.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

The US T-Bond market trades something like $500 billion a day.
Two days worth of typical sales......we're doomed!!!

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic and cause a stock market drop unlike any previously seen. No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA which would refer back to the drop that is still continuing, the unemployment would be real.

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Just remember I answer to no one, certainly not you or the children that you work with and for

Besides it's not like a disease could ever escape china and shut down the entire American economy and force the American military to pretend not to have raised the defcon level or launch missiles from the USS Barry

Enjoy

US Navy launches live-fire missiles in ‘warning to China’

Unusual drill in the Philippine Sea a signal to the PLA that American forces can counter advanced threats, military observers say.

www.scmp.com

Again if China demanded their money back

Stop.... Right there, your entire argument falls apart. China can not "demand" their money back.

That is impossible. The only thing they can do, is wait until the bonds mature, and collect the maturity.

Further, understand that when the bonds mature, the US government does not pay them in Yaun. They pay them in US Dollars. Which means China would have a bunch of US dollars they can't use to pay their employees, or buy anything in China.

They would have to use those dollars to purchase US goods.

That would boast the US stock market from a sudden increase in US exports.

Short of that, the only thing China can do with US bonds, is sell them.

Even then, they can not "Demand" their money, they have to sell them to whomever will buy them.

Let me ask you.... can I "Demand" you buy my old Grand Marquis? No. If you don't want to buy my car, I can't force you to do so.

Nor can China "demand" anyone buy their US Bonds.

So your very first sentence in your response is utterly flawed.

Make believe that I read your post, then resume wanking

Just finished a 33 mile bicycle ride, dropped my average time by almost a minute per mile.

You wanked

Carry on

If you don't stop with the insults, I'll have your dumb butt banned from this thread, toddler. You cut it out now. I'm reporting every single post of yours to the moderators until they ban your butt.

Understand?

Ok dude you stay there in la la land pretending that the American economy is not shut down because of a bat virus that the Chinese imported into the USA

And now I'm reporting you for multiple duplicate posts. Are there any forum rules at all, that you will attempt to follow?

 

[esalla]

I have been saying this from the start...this strain is faaaar faaaar too weak to justify this response. They know something. They know...and the next time it's really gonna kill people...a lot of people.

And that response continues to this day...So the threat must still exist!

Yeah, something doesn't add up. There is something that is just not right about this. Well, lots of somethings. We can't count on the media to ask, my God they are nothing but worthless, if not straight out harmful themselves.

We are at war with china, no one who knows this wants the conflict to escalate to millions of degrees

The Chinese have controlling interest in many of the media companies. We have paid for our own destruction. Through purchase of cheap plastic shit at big box America we have ensured our own destruction.

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve. If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Why? Because the inmates are in charge

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve.

Baloney.

If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Hilarious! And wrong.

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve everyone who owns t bills does, China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies. None of this is speculative it's all fact. If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate and inflation would make a loaf of bread cost a hundred bucks at least

All in all we are fucked and idiots walking around in masks would all be better off dead

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve

You're lying.

everyone who owns t bills does

T-bills are debt issued by the US Treasury, not the Fed.

China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies.

About $1.1 trillion in Treasuries. I doubt they own anywhere near that in us stocks.

If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate

Dissipate? What do you mean?

If you do not know what dissipate means ask your homeroom teacher who will instruct you to use a dictionary

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

Play on little one

If you do not know what dissipate means

I know what dissipate means.
I don't know what your claim about China selling assets causing our economy to dissipate means.

So explain it.

How does China selling $1 trillion in Treasuries cause our economy to evaporate, disappear, vanish?

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

T-bills aren't backed by gold.

She (assuming that esalla is she) doesn't know what's she's talking about.

First, Even if China sells assets, they do not disappear, someone has to buys them.
Second, they cannot just send them back and demand cash, since they're long term based, for what they're getting paid interest. If they sell them, ownership changes, everything else, including terms stays the same.

If China sells everything, a panic begins and everyone rushes to sell everything and the stock market crashes and elevator shafts become full of economic geniuses like you

Google it, there are photos

How Much U.S. Debt Does China Own?

As of 2023, China owns more than $859.4 billion in U.S. debt. That's less than the U.S. debt owned by Japan and represents about 2.6% of the total U.S. debt. Learn more.

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First... There is over $25 Trillion in US bonds on the market.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

Moreover, why would there be a panic regardless?

The only possible reason there would be a panic, is if they believed the US wasn't going to pay the bonds. China selling, or not selling their bonds, wouldn't cause people to think well obvious the US is going to default.

China has already drastically reduced their holdings of US bonds. It hasn't caused people to think we were going to default.

Lastly, even if there was a crisis in the bond market, which could happen with, or without China doing anything... that isn't likely to cause a stock market crash.

We already know this from what happened in the UK.

U.K. Bond Auction Fails for First Time in 14 Years - WSJ

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The UK government already had a bond crisis back in 2009. The stock market was already depressed because of the Sub-prime crash, but the bond failure had virtually no effect.

And why would it? British companies that were profitable and selling, were still profitable and selling.

The bond crisis pretty much only affected the government... because obviously it was the government that was unable to get money from selling the bonds.

Now obviously how the government responds to the bond crisis could cause a stock market crash. Thankfully the UK engaged in austerity. If they had instead engaged in tax hikes across the country, the results could have wrecked companies, and that could have severely damaged the stock market for sure.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

The US T-Bond market trades something like $500 billion a day.
Two days worth of typical sales......we're doomed!!!

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic and cause a stock market drop unlike any previously seen. No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA which would refer back to the drop that is still continuing, the unemployment would be real.

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Just remember I answer to no one, certainly not you or the children that you work with and for

Besides it's not like a disease could ever escape china and shut down the entire American economy and force the American military to pretend not to have raised the defcon level or launch missiles from the USS Barry

Enjoy

US Navy launches live-fire missiles in ‘warning to China’

Unusual drill in the Philippine Sea a signal to the PLA that American forces can counter advanced threats, military observers say.

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Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic

First, they can't "demand" their money back. They can hold their Treasuries until they mature, or they can sell them. In either case they end up with dollars. Which they can re-invest or use to buy some other currency. If they sell dollars and buy Euros, for instance, the weaker dollar helps our trade balance and hurts Chinese exports to the US.

And like I said, selling 2 days worth of Treasury volume, wouldn't do shit to our stock market.

No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA

China could certainly do that. Millions of unemployed Chinese probably wouldn't be a problem for them, they can just crush them with tanks, eh?

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Hey, if they want to harm their own, rickety, about to collapse economy, I sure can't stop them.

LOL you are ranting like a spoiled little child. You have a better chance of winning the powerball then getting hit by lightning twice in the same day than derailing me.........................

But don't stop trying as it seems to be giving purpose to your otherwise worthless existence

Calmly pointing out your idiocy isn't ranting.

Now about those $100 loaves of bread...…….hilarious!

I also saw a movie where the chinks completely shut down the entire American economy with a bat virus, tell us could that happen?

Continue wanking

130 vs 95

They didn't.
China did not shut down the entire US economy with a bat virus.

First, the entire economy isn't shut down. I've had 3 job offers in the past month. People are hiring. How are hiring if the "entire American economy" is shut down?

There plenty of companies operating. Plenty. You can say the economy is hindered... yes, it is hindered. Yes some companies are shut down. But not entire economy. Don't be ridiculous.

Second, China did not do it. The US government imposed lock down restrictions. It wasn't China.

We know that because they didn't shut down Sweden or Japan, or many others. Their government refused to engage in Draconian measures. Ours did.

China didn't do it.

Lastly, we don't yet know if it was an engineered virus or something. Is that possible? Yeah... but... I'm not going to jump to conspiracy theory conclusions without evidence.

Ok dude you stay there in la la land pretending that the American economy is not shut down because of a bat virus

I just ordered a Pizza from Donatos, and it was hot and fresh.

Please explain how if the entire economy is shut down, why I was able to do that.

Definition of ENTIRE

having no element or part left out : whole; complete in degree : total; consisting of one piece… See the full definition

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But you go right on ignoring the 22,000,000 Americans that the Chinese bat virus put on unemployment