Drug realted crimes and deaths.

Discussion in 'Immigration/Illegal Immigration' started by LilOlLady, Jun 10, 2011.

  1. LilOlLady
    Offline

    LilOlLady Gold Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2009
    Messages:
    7,841
    Thanks Received:
    660
    Trophy Points:
    140
    Location:
    Reno, NV
    Ratings:
    +761
    DRUG REALTED CRIMES AND DEATHS.

    Drug related crimes and deaths are just one more reason to close our borders by any means necessary ( fences, mines, military and like Obama said, alligators) and stop the flow of drugs. What is more important than saving Americans lives or not offending Mexico?
    Drugs entering this country is the cause of many American deaths. Either overdose or crimes. And not to mentions lives destroyed. These are the things Obama & Company never talk about. They want us to believe deaths are only occurring on the border in Mexico.
    Some of the most dangerous gangs, MS13, main purpose is dealing in drugs and they should be rounded up and deported no matter the cost.
    If the flow of drugs were stopped at the border, Americans would not be able to get them and use them and gangs would not be able to deal them. Closing our borders will put gangs and drug cartels out of business in this country and they will move away from the border and take their business elsewhere and cut the crime and deaths of Americans due to drugs. Mexico wins and we wins. I read somewhere that we are losing the war against drugs. Poppy fields in Afghanistan is financing Al Qaeda and the Taliban because we are afraid of offending the growers.
    “We cannot see the forest for the trees and cut off our nose to spite our face.”
    If Obama does nothing in the next few years, he need to close the border (not add more lanes at ports of entry the make it faster to enter) and bring our troops home. Most of the drugs are coming through ports of entry in trucks and not on the backs of illegal aliens.
    I agree. Obama is a threat to America. But he is just one of many who came before him who have ignored the problem of illegal drugs and illegal immigration.
    Mexico is not our neighbor and it’s time we recognize that.

    Illegal immigrants sentenced to life in prison for selling heroin to Reno High students Jun. 7, 2011
    Illegal immigrants sentenced to life in prison for selling heroin to Reno High students | Reno Gazette-Journal | rgj.com

    Now the taxpayers will have to take care of them while in prison instead of deporting the and closing the border which our leaders oppose because it might offend Mexico. Annually cost of incarcerating hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens is $1.5 billion.
     
  2. MikeK
    Offline

    MikeK Gold Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2010
    Messages:
    13,143
    Thanks Received:
    1,981
    Trophy Points:
    255
    Location:
    Brick, New Jersey
    Ratings:
    +3,703
    What you are recommending is to make an already bad situation even worse. You are taking a position which is precisely analogous to that of the alcohol prohibitionists whose ill-conceived efforts gave rise to criminal syndicates and created a social blight that took decades to recede.

    The government has already spent enough money on the counterproductive "war on drugs" to solve some of our most serious social and economic problems and the simple fact of the matter is recreational drugs are more available today than ever before and the rate of drug abuse hasn't been reduced but has in fact increased. The only effect this utterly failed policy has had is to bring this Nation to the doorstep of a police state and to waste an enormous amount of valuable resources.

    What should be obvious to you is that nothing short of totalitarian rule on the order of that in North Korea could effectively reduce the demand for and use of recreational drugs in America. Is that the price you're willing to pay?
     
  3. lehr
    Offline

    lehr Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2011
    Messages:
    395
    Thanks Received:
    28
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Ratings:
    +28
    feb 2011

    a 15 year old girl was raped and mudrered in buffalo n.y. by an illegal - because of bush/mc cain and the communist demokrat party - all 48 states are border states with mexico
     
  4. editec
    Offline

    editec Mr. Forgot-it-All

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2008
    Messages:
    41,427
    Thanks Received:
    5,598
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Maine
    Ratings:
    +5,617
    NOTHING will stop the flow of drugs.

    There's too much money in it. (Reap what you sow, America)

    But they probably could stop (or at least severely limit) the flow of illegals.
     
  5. LilOlLady
    Offline

    LilOlLady Gold Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2009
    Messages:
    7,841
    Thanks Received:
    660
    Trophy Points:
    140
    Location:
    Reno, NV
    Ratings:
    +761
    :eusa_hand::cuckoo:


    So your solutions is to give up an let drug flow freely? illegal drugs are destorying a society and crime is raging. Making illegal drugs legal would be make a problem astronomical and would be our demise. Making drugs legal would do nothing for those addicted to drugs. But if the cannot get them, they would become clean and become a asset to society instead of a liability. We are giving disablity checks to thousands of people.

    We are still feeling the effect of legalizing alcohol. Now we have drugs dealer, drugs cartels and drug addicts. Cut off the drugs and cut the crime. We may not be able to stop the use of drugs completely but we can make a dent that would save lives. It is easier to get hard drugs as it is for a child to get bubble gum. We cannot continue to have drug so freely.
    The reason drug abuse has increased it because drugs are so easily attained. If there were fewer drugs there would be fewer abuse.
     
  6. LilOlLady
    Offline

    LilOlLady Gold Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2009
    Messages:
    7,841
    Thanks Received:
    660
    Trophy Points:
    140
    Location:
    Reno, NV
    Ratings:
    +761
    In countries where food is scarce you have less fat people with few heart attacks and other disease and than here were food is so free got. Americans are eating themselves to death and burning their brains from drugs that are freely got.
     
  7. MikeK
    Offline

    MikeK Gold Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2010
    Messages:
    13,143
    Thanks Received:
    1,981
    Trophy Points:
    255
    Location:
    Brick, New Jersey
    Ratings:
    +3,703
    While I do advocate eventual full legalization of some presently illegal recreational drugs I do not believe such overtly harmful and dangerous substances as amphetamines and freebase cocaine ("crack") should be included. Also, I don't think it would be a good idea to implement legalization in one sweeping gesture but rather to proceed incrementally while studying the effects of each progressive stage.

    For example, we already know that claims about marijuana's harmful aspects are almost totally false or grossly exaggerated. We know that for the vast majority of users marijuana is not addictive nor is it harmful (presuming access to uncontaminated leaf and bud material). It has been decriminalized in The Netherlands since 1976 and, with the exception of "drug tourism" and outbound smuggling, the effect has been 100% positive.

    Marijuana was decriminalized in New York City throughout the 1960s and 70s and the overall effect was entirely positive in every way. Were it not for Reagan's utterly counterproductive drug war escalation it would still be decriminalized there -- and probably elsewhere. So I believe the first step toward constructive legalization of recreational substances should be to decriminalize marijuana nationwide and monitor the overall effect for a year. If the effect is positive, which I'm sure it will be, then legalize it and go on to the next step, which would be powder cocaine, then heroin.

    And before you succumb to an imagined doomsday scenario let me ask, if heroin were made legal tomorrow would you run right out and buy some? Or would everyone else do that?
     
  8. Anachronism
    Offline

    Anachronism BANNED

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2011
    Messages:
    2,655
    Thanks Received:
    231
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    New England
    Ratings:
    +231
    I disagree whole-heartedly. A few weeks of video on the nightly news of dealers, users, trafficers, etc... being dragged out of their homes, cars, offices, etc... and summarily executed on the street by Police would definitely put a significant crimp in the flow of drugs.

    That too.
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  9. MikeK
    Offline

    MikeK Gold Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2010
    Messages:
    13,143
    Thanks Received:
    1,981
    Trophy Points:
    255
    Location:
    Brick, New Jersey
    Ratings:
    +3,703
    "Crime" is raging if you consider any and every drug offense from possession of an ounce of marijuana to sale of a kilo of heroin to be a "crime" (as the laws in most places do). The fact is we have the highest national prison census in the world -- higher per capita than Russia, China or North Korea. There are more than two million Americans confined to prisons (at an average annual cost of $45k a head). More than half are drug "offenders." An increasing number of these inmates are housed in privatized prisons which are a rapidly growing component of the emerging Law-Enforcement Industrial Complex. In other words a lot of people are making a lot of money from the war on drugs. And every bit of the scary anti-drug rhetoric you read, hear and see on television is pure propaganda, much of which is paid for by the Partnership For A Drug-Free America, which is supported mainly by the liquor and pharmaceutical industries, both of which stand to lose big if marijuana is legalized.

    You should count your local junkies before succumbing to anti-drug rhetoric. Yes, the U.S. has a problem with drugs but the drug war is the main cause of it. The problem of drug abuse could be much more effectively addressed if drugs were legally available so junkies wouldn't have to steal and access to counseling and treatment were readily available to them -- and the criminal syndicates were eliminated as were the alcohol bootleggers.

    Bottom line, unless you live in an impoverished, welfare-class ghetto you probably don't come across a single drug addict in your daily coming and going.
     
  10. MikeK
    Offline

    MikeK Gold Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2010
    Messages:
    13,143
    Thanks Received:
    1,981
    Trophy Points:
    255
    Location:
    Brick, New Jersey
    Ratings:
    +3,703
    The same thing was said about alcohol by the Prohibitionists. Repealing Prohibition significantly reduced crime and eliminated several major social problems, such as ready access to booze by minors and availability of harmful homemade booze ("bathtub gin") some of which was made with anti-freeze and was poisonous.

    On the contrary, legally available drugs would make effective treatment programs, all of which require gradual withdrawal but are not available because of rigid prohibition, available to addicts who didn't need to fear the police and "cold turkey" withdrawal. In simple terms, drug addiction must be treated like the medical problem it is, rather than a law-enforcement problem -- which we know very well is hopeless.

    As long as there is profit in illegal drugs they will be available to addicts -- who will steal to get money for a $20 illegal heroin fix when the same effect, only cleaner and more pure, could be legally available for $1, or for free within a treatment program.

    While there certainly are problems with alcohol the problems aren't nearly as bad as what we had during Prohibition.

    What we learned from Prohibition is as long as someone wants something bad enough to pay for it, someone else will supply it. And the only way to eliminate that is by brutal imposition of totalitarian rule. I don't know about you but I prefer living in a free society along with the junkies and the drunks.

    How?

    How?

    Do you know it is easier for a minor to get marijuana, cocaine or heroin than it is to get booze? The reason is we don't have dealers selling booze on street corners or in schoolyards.

    The reason drug abuse has increased is because illegal drugs are readily available to anyone who has the money to pay for them and there are no controls addressing the purity and dosage levels, thus addiction is more difficult to avoid through careful consumption.

    The Netherlands decriminalized marijuana in 1976. Since that time usage by minors has decreased, not increased. Crime has decreased significantly and there have been no negative effects associated with the ready availability to adults.

    What does that tell you?
     

Share This Page