Drug cartels buy 95% of their guns in the U.S.

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    PHOENIX (AP) — As police approached a drug cartel's safe house in northwestern Mexico last May, gunmen inside poured on fire with powerful assault rifles and grenades, killing seven officers whose weapons were no match.

    Four more lawmen were wounded in the bloodbath and a cache of weapons was seized, including a single AK-47 assault rifle that authorities say was purchased 800 miles away at a Phoenix gun shop and smuggled into Mexico.

    The rifle's presence in Mexico underscores two realities in the government's war against drug traffickers: Nearly all the guns the cartels use are smuggled into Mexico from the U.S., and officials say a small number of corrupt American weapons dealers are making the gun running possible.

    "It's a war," said Bill Newell, special agent in charge of the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in Arizona and New Mexico. "It's a war between the drug cartels. And it's a war between the government and the drug cartels. And the weapons of war are the weapons that they are acquiring illegally here in the United States."

    Authorities don't know how many firearms are sneaked across the border, but the ATF says more than 7,700 guns sold in America were traced to Mexico last year, up from 3,300 the year before and about 2,100 in 2006. The increase is attributed both to a higher volume going south and a growing interest among Mexican authorities in running recovered weapons through a U.S. gun-tracing database.

    Mexican and U.S. officials estimate the cartels get 95 percent of their guns from the United States; others are stolen when cartels overrun Mexican authorities. Cartels recruit "straw buyers" in the United States who make purchases on their behalf. Then people are paid to bring the weapons across the border.

    The Associated Press: Cartels in Mexico's drug war get guns from US
     
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    The implication you feel in the title is false.
     
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    If you just legalize marijuana and coke this would be not such a problem.
    And I will give another example of poor gun control: you are a seventeen year old trying to fit in doing drugs, your father is a retired military person and has a gun not locked up so you steal it to brag to your friends. So one friend talked you into bringing it out and you are high so you shoot at a red car and you hit a innocent young kid same age as you but really you are not that bad of a kid. Then your friend turns you to get a deal because they were there plus they have other things on their record they could go away for. You get arrested two days after you shoot this kid but your friend who is more corrupt then you get's off. YOu plead quitly and spend a year before going to prison finding GOD and turing your life around and then in prison and out you pay your victim money every month. And a year after your friend talked you into shooting at that car that was bad plus talking you into stealing your dad gun shoots a cab driver in the back of the head, how do you feel?
    Or how do you feel when you are fourteen years old and you watch a bullet be taken out of your big brother's face who is only seventeen right in front of you because your parents had to talk to ER person about insurance and than you have someone tell you there is a good reason to keep a gun in their house with children.
     
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    but seriously I love some of the people around here even the ones who were in military try to talk to me about gun control and how I am invading on their rights.
    I think being a fourteen year old who grew up in suburbia who saw her brother and than a hour later had to go to the ER because he was shot. And then because I loved my brother so much I wouldn't leave him alone while our parents had to talk to the office lady and than the doctor came in while I was alone and remove part of bullet from my brother's face. And that brother was worried about me and everyone else over himself and he wasn't some low life or gang member just some normal high school kid who felt bad when then kid who shot him got sentenced because he didn't tell him he forgave him. And my brother today who is also conservative now does not own a gun!
     
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    Luissa, I am sorry you had to go through that. I understand that personal experiences especially traumatizing ones like you had greatly effect how we view certain issues.

    What are your specific views towards "gun control?"
     
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    i am sorry for you personal experience....

    now let me give you mine...grew up in homes with guns...in my father's home...there was never a minute that he was not 3 ft from a gun...i grew up thinking this was normal..it was this way in both my grandparents homes...we have never *knock on wood* had a gun related accident in any of these homes or in any of the homes of my family that keep guns....*to be honest all of them keep guns, i cannot think of one who does not* we have all been taught...all guns are loaded...since we were able to be taught...

    a gun has saved my life...i am entitled to self protection.
     
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    I am for gun education and for regulations on gun safety like having a gun case that has a lock. I understand that there is a need for a gun, I have a brother who is Wyomning rancher who needs guns for animal purposes. If you 9mm which is what my brother was shot with you should have a gun safe and if you have children in your house with guns you should have to send them to a gun control class!
     
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    my mom who grew up on a farm i idaho and was married to wyomning rancher had a shot gun in my house the whole time I was growing up and I didn't know until my mom gave it to my brother because it was our uncles and he wanted him to have it. My mom was also a NRA member and has always voted liberal or democrat!
    And due to the way my mom taught us I shot my first gun this last year and it made me nervous because of the lessons she taught us and fear she tauht us!
     
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    i dont keep hand guns in the house...i prefer shotguns or rifles...my father always said a shot gun....a sawed off...was the best protection for a woman....all you have to do is aim and pull the trigger....i used trigger locks when my son was younger...but now he has his own guns. you need to shoot till you feel comfortable and not afraid of the gun.
     
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    I'm down with all of those things but on a voluntary basis though I would definitely prefer to be the one teaching my child (if I had one) how to respect and use a firearm.
     

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