Drug cartels buy 95% of their guns in the U.S.

[FistyTheBadger]

So the gun lobbyists lobby our politicians to let them continue to do this.

For example, every year lets say 1 million guns are sold legally, yet they manufacture 5 million guns.

So they know those extra guns are going to gangs are drug cartels. Nice.

Or the gun manufacturers insist they don't know who's buying them.

And we allow this because the NRA pays our politicians to look the other way. And some of us even vote against politicians because they are for gun regulations. As if they are the nuts.

complete bullshit, and you know it
gun manufacturers would never survive if they made 5 times what they could sell

Listen to me cock sucker. They sell all of them. Only 1/5th of them are sold legally, you stupid ball licker.

So they go to legal stores to sell 1 million, and then they find criminals or criminal networks to sell another 4 million to?

 

[DiveCon]

complete bullshit, and you know it
gun manufacturers would never survive if they made 5 times what they could sell

Listen to me cock sucker. They sell all of them. Only 1/5th of them are sold legally, you stupid ball licker.

So they go to legal stores to sell 1 million, and then they find criminals or criminal networks to sell another 4 million to?

bobo is a fucking moron

 

[Missourian]

Thanks for posting that.

As you can see all the states that lead in violent crime are pro gun states.

Your conclusion doesn't hold up...Vermont, Nebraska, Iowa and South Dakota are pro-gun states and they are at the bottom of the list.

Despite Being A Top Gun-Owning State, North Dakota Recorded Exactly Two Murders In 2008 By Rob on December 29, 2008 at 07:22 am 323 Comments Reason #1,215,789 why I love living in North Dakota: North Dakota may end 2008 with the lowest number of murders in at least 30 years, Attorney General Wayne Stenehjem says. Stenehjem said North Dakota has averaged about 11 homicides annually for the past several years, after a high of 22 in 1993. He said 16 homicides were reported last year, but only two so far this year. Homicide and other violent crime statistics have been kept since 1978, he said. “It’s always good when we’re down, but these numbers can be roller coasters,” Stenehjem said. “Still, two is way better than the 16 we had last year.” Now keep in mind that North Dakota is one of the top gun-owning states in the nation.* According to this Washington Post poll, North Dakota ranks 5th in the nation in gun ownership rates with over 50% of residents having a gun in their household.* That’s a higher gun ownership percentage than Texas.* By far.* And North Dakota has some of the most lax gun control laws in the nation as well. According to the logic used by the gun control nuts, North Dakota should be ripe with murder and armed robbery.* But we’re not. So what does that prove?* I think it proves that there is no correlation gun ownership and gun crime.* A high rate of gun ownership does not engender crime, therefore gun control laws aren’t likely to do anything about crime.

 

[DiveCon]

still waiting for bobo the moron, to post the proof that gun MFG's produce 5 times the guns they actually sell legally

 

[AllieBaba]

You know, when you insist on providing to non-citizens all the privileges and rights which are meant for citizens, you open yourself up to being taken advantage of by criminal non-citizens.

Don't like this? See what happens when Obama gets his way and we start "trying" terrorists in civilian courts, and afford them all the privileges of citizens. They already have set up camp here and recruit here. YOu do that, they'll take over.

 

[garyd]

Chris. without posting which states are progun and which aren't YOur lists don't prove squat.

 

[AllieBaba]

Chris is a certified non-squat prover.

 

[Xenophon]

At least someone is buying American.

 

[Chris]

Chris. without posting which states are progun and which aren't YOur lists don't prove squat.

I have posted it many times.

Alaska, South Carolina, Tennessee, Nevada, Alabama, and New Mexico are pro gun. They are also in the top ten in violent crime.

 

[Chris]

Thanks for posting that.

As you can see all the states that lead in violent crime are pro gun states.

Your conclusion doesn't hold up...Vermont, Nebraska, Iowa and South Dakota are pro-gun states and they are at the bottom of the list.

Despite Being A Top Gun-Owning State, North Dakota Recorded Exactly Two Murders In 2008 By Rob on December 29, 2008 at 07:22 am 323 Comments Reason #1,215,789 why I love living in North Dakota: North Dakota may end 2008 with the lowest number of murders in at least 30 years, Attorney General Wayne Stenehjem says. Stenehjem said North Dakota has averaged about 11 homicides annually for the past several years, after a high of 22 in 1993. He said 16 homicides were reported last year, but only two so far this year. Homicide and other violent crime statistics have been kept since 1978, he said. “It’s always good when we’re down, but these numbers can be roller coasters,” Stenehjem said. “Still, two is way better than the 16 we had last year.” Now keep in mind that North Dakota is one of the top gun-owning states in the nation.* According to this Washington Post poll, North Dakota ranks 5th in the nation in gun ownership rates with over 50% of residents having a gun in their household.* That’s a higher gun ownership percentage than Texas.* By far.* And North Dakota has some of the most lax gun control laws in the nation as well. According to the logic used by the gun control nuts, North Dakota should be ripe with murder and armed robbery.* But we’re not. So what does that prove?* I think it proves that there is no correlation gun ownership and gun crime.* A high rate of gun ownership does not engender crime, therefore gun control laws aren’t likely to do anything about crime.

North Dakota is a rural state with little urban poverty, which is one of the main breeding grounds of crime. Sensible gun control laws keep guns out of the hands of criminals, and therefore reduce the lethality of crime. Local background checks are not a solution to the crime problem.

 

[Missourian]

North Dakota is a rural state with little urban poverty, which is one of the main breeding grounds of crime. cr

So the problem isn't lax gun laws or gun ownership at all? It's urban poverty and urban crime?

I could almost swear someone on this board has been saying that for months.

Guns don't kill people, Cities kill people.​

Why do the rural communities with twice as many legal gun owners and four times the owned firearms have 25 times less gun crime than urban communities?


Look here for firearm ownership study


Of the 22 Missouri counties with populations between 25K and 50K, having a combined population of 806,764 persons, there were 163 total firearm assaults and 2604 total assaults utilizing weapons of any kind.


MSHP stats for 22 rural Missouri counties (PDF)


During the same period, in only the city of St. Louis and the city of Kansas City contained within the state of Missouri (half is in Kansas of course), with a combined population of 793,587 persons, there were a total of 4,143 firearm assaults and 8986 total assaults utilizing weapons of any kind.



MSHP stats for St. Louis (PDF)



MSHP stats for KC, MO (PDF)





The 2006 stats on Missouri crime came from this website : Missouri State Highway Patrol Statisical Analysis Center, they are the most recent available.

The 2004 rural/urban chart came from this website : Department of Health Policy and Management, Harvard School of Public Health, Boston, Massachusetts, USA 2004 study.

Your theory is bullcrap and you have wasted everones time...again.


North Dakota ranks 5th in the nation in gun ownership rates with over 50% of residents having a gun in their household.* That’s a higher gun ownership percentage than Texas.* By far.* And North Dakota has some of the most lax gun control laws in the nation as well. According to the logic used by the gun control nuts, North Dakota should be ripe with murder and armed robbery.* But we’re not

 

[Chris]

Alaska, South Carolina, Tennessee, Nevada, Alabama, and New Mexico are pro gun. They are also in the top ten in violent crime.

 

[DiveCon]

Alaska, South Carolina, Tennessee, Nevada, Alabama, and New Mexico are pro gun. They are also in the top ten in violent crime.

sorry, you fail again
not one of your links backs that up
the only thing you CAN claim is they are tops in "gun deaths"

 

[Harry Dresden]

well here is a reason that violent crime may be up some.....it takes a back seat to Pot....



United States: Marijuana arrests top Violent Crime arrests
Posted by Benjamin Melançon - September 26, 2006 at 3:10 pm

The [FBI's] annual Uniform Crime Report announced that a record 786,545 marijuana-related arrests were made in 2005. The number comprised almost 43 percent of all drug arrests in the country and exceeded the total number of arrests for all violent crimes in the US.

Eighty-seven percent of the marijuana-related arrests were for possession.

 

[Missourian]

alaska, south carolina, tennessee, nevada, alabama, and new mexico are pro gun. They are also in the top ten in violent crime.

[FONT=arial,arial]These are the 13 states with the most pro-Second Amendment laws according to the Brady Center (Oklahoma being the most pro-Second Amendment in the nation) with total firearm murders from 2007 according to the FBI and population from the Census Bureau:[/FONT]​

----------State-----------------------------# of Firearm Homicides-----------Population
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------​

• Arkansas ----------------------130 ------------2,810,872
• [FONT=arial,arial]Idaho -------------------------------------------------25 ---------------------1,466,465[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial,arial]New Mexico ---------------------------------------81 ---------------------1,954,599[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial,arial]South Dakota ---------------------------------------4 -----------------------781,919[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial,arial]West Virginia --------------------------------------37 --------------------1,818,470[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial,arial]Mississippi ---------------------------------------119 ---------------------2,910,540[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial,arial]Alaska -----------------------------------------------21 --------------------- 670,053[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial,arial]Louisiana ------------------------------------------455----------------------4,287,768[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial,arial]Missouri -------------------------------------------247 ---------------------5,842,713[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial,arial]North Dakota ----------------------------------------3 -----------------------635,867[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial,arial]Utah ---------------------------------------------------38 --------------------2,550,063[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial,arial]Kentucky ------------------------------------------131 --------------------4,206,074[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial,arial]Oklahoma -------------------------------- --------132 --------------------3,579,212[/FONT]

And the 13 strictest gun control states according to the Brady Center (California being the strictest in the nation) with total firearm murders from 2007 according to the FBI and population from the Census Bureau:

• California -----------------------1,605-----36,457,549
• New Jersey ----------------------260-------8,724,560
• Connecticut ----------------------57 -------3,504,809
• Massachusetts ------------------114 -------6,437,193
• Maryland ------------------------414------- 5,615,727
• New York ------------------------500 -----19,306,183
• Rhode Island -------------------- --9 ------ 1,067,610
• Hawaii -----------------------------3 -------1,285,498
• Illinois ---------------------------343* -----12,831,970
• Pennsylvania ---------------------527 ------12,440,621
• Michigan -------------------------444 ------10,095,643
• Delaware--------------------------22 ---------853,476
• North Carolina--------------------369 --------8,856,505

* incomplete data received by the FBI


The District of Columbia is not listed on the Brady Center ranking list but it did have the strictest gun control in the nation in 2007:

• District of Columbia-----------------181--------581,530

So here is the break down for firearm homicides per number of citizens per state plus the District of Columbia with Washington D.C. being the most dangerous place to live with 1 out of every 3,212 residents murdered by firearms and Hawaii being the safest with 1 out of every 428,499 residents murdered by firearms.


The number listed is the population divided by the total firearm homicides to render 1 homicide per (X) number of residents. (Red are Strict Gun Control, Blue are Pro-gun)

1. District of Columbia -----------1 / 3,212
2. Louisiana ---------------------1 / 9,423
3. Maryland ---------------------1 / 13,564
4. Arkansas ---------------------1 / 21,622
5. California ---------------------1 / 22,714
6. Michigan ---------------------1 / 22,737
7. Pennsylvania -----------------1 / 23,606
8. Missouri ----------------------1 / 23,654
9. North Carolina ----------------1 / 24,001
10. New Mexico ------------------1 / 24,130
11. Mississippi --------------------1 / 24,458
12. Oklahoma --------------------1 / 25,115
13. Alaska -----------------------1 / 31,907
14. Kentucky ---------------------1 / 32,107
15. New Jersey -------------------1 / 33,556
16. Illinois ------------------------1 / 37,410
17. New York ---------------------1 / 38,612
18. Delaware ---------------------1 / 38,794
19. West Virgina ------------------1 / 49,147
20. Massachusetts ----------------1 / 56,466
21. Idaho -------------------------1 / 58,658
22. Connecticut -------------------1 / 61,487
23. Utah --------------------------1 / 67,106
24. Rhode Island -------------------1 / 118,623
25. South Dakota ------------------1 / 195,479
26. North Dakota -------------------1 / 211,955
27. Hawaii -------------------------1 / 428,499

Bottom line, stricter firearm laws have no effect on firearm homicides.


That is why the Brady Center uses violent crime or firearm deaths instead of actual firearm homicides even though the firearm homicides are provided by the FBI online every year.






Link to FBI Stats Table 20 - Crime in the United States 2007

Link to Brady Center state rankings list http://www.stategunlaws.org/xshare/pdf/scorecard/2007/2007_scorecard_rankings.pdf

Population from the U.S. Census Bureau State and County QuickFacts

Wikipedia Firearm Homicides for the District of Columbia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Washington,_D.C.

 

[elvis]

North Dakota is a rural state with little urban poverty, which is one of the main breeding grounds of crime. cr

So the problem isn't lax gun laws or gun ownership at all? It's urban poverty and urban crime?

I could almost swear someone on this board has been saying that for months.

Guns don't kill people, Cities kill people.​

Why do the rural communities with twice as many legal gun owners and four times the owned firearms have 25 times less gun crime than urban communities?


Look here for firearm ownership study


Of the 22 Missouri counties with populations between 25K and 50K, having a combined population of 806,764 persons, there were 163 total firearm assaults and 2604 total assaults utilizing weapons of any kind.


MSHP stats for 22 rural Missouri counties (PDF)


During the same period, in only the city of St. Louis and the city of Kansas City contained within the state of Missouri (half is in Kansas of course), with a combined population of 793,587 persons, there were a total of 4,143 firearm assaults and 8986 total assaults utilizing weapons of any kind.



MSHP stats for St. Louis (PDF)



MSHP stats for KC, MO (PDF)





The 2006 stats on Missouri crime came from this website : Missouri State Highway Patrol Statisical Analysis Center, they are the most recent available.

The 2004 rural/urban chart came from this website : Department of Health Policy and Management, Harvard School of Public Health, Boston, Massachusetts, USA 2004 study.

Your theory is bullcrap and you have wasted everones time...again.


North Dakota ranks 5th in the nation in gun ownership rates with over 50% of residents having a gun in their household.* That’s a higher gun ownership percentage than Texas.* By far.* And North Dakota has some of the most lax gun control laws in the nation as well. According to the logic used by the gun control nuts, North Dakota should be ripe with murder and armed robbery.* But we’re not

Chrissy lewinsky waste people's time? NEVER!!

 

[DiveCon]

alaska, south carolina, tennessee, nevada, alabama, and new mexico are pro gun. They are also in the top ten in violent crime.

[FONT=arial,arial]These are the 13 states with the most pro-Second Amendment laws according to the Brady Center (Oklahoma being the most pro-Second Amendment in the nation) with total firearm murders from 2007 according to the FBI and population from the Census Bureau:[/FONT]​

----------State-----------------------------# of Firearm Homicides-----------Population
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------​

• Arkansas ----------------------130 ------------2,810,872
• [FONT=arial,arial]Idaho -------------------------------------------------25 ---------------------1,466,465[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial,arial]New Mexico ---------------------------------------81 ---------------------1,954,599[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial,arial]South Dakota ---------------------------------------4 -----------------------781,919[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial,arial]West Virginia --------------------------------------37 --------------------1,818,470[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial,arial]Mississippi ---------------------------------------119 ---------------------2,910,540[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial,arial]Alaska -----------------------------------------------21 --------------------- 670,053[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial,arial]Louisiana ------------------------------------------455----------------------4,287,768[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial,arial]Missouri -------------------------------------------247 ---------------------5,842,713[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial,arial]North Dakota ----------------------------------------3 -----------------------635,867[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial,arial]Utah ---------------------------------------------------38 --------------------2,550,063[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial,arial]Kentucky ------------------------------------------131 --------------------4,206,074[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial,arial]Oklahoma -------------------------------- --------132 --------------------3,579,212[/FONT]

And the 13 strictest gun control states according to the Brady Center (California being the strictest in the nation) with total firearm murders from 2007 according to the FBI and population from the Census Bureau:

• California -----------------------1,605-----36,457,549
• New Jersey ----------------------260-------8,724,560
• Connecticut ----------------------57 -------3,504,809
• Massachusetts ------------------114 -------6,437,193
• Maryland ------------------------414------- 5,615,727
• New York ------------------------500 -----19,306,183
• Rhode Island -------------------- --9 ------ 1,067,610
• Hawaii -----------------------------3 -------1,285,498
• Illinois ---------------------------343* -----12,831,970
• Pennsylvania ---------------------527 ------12,440,621
• Michigan -------------------------444 ------10,095,643
• Delaware--------------------------22 ---------853,476
• North Carolina--------------------369 --------8,856,505

* incomplete data received by the FBI


The District of Columbia is not listed on the Brady Center ranking list but it did have the strictest gun control in the nation in 2007:

• District of Columbia-----------------181--------581,530

So here is the break down for firearm homicides per number of citizens per state plus the District of Columbia with Washington D.C. being the most dangerous place to live with 1 out of every 3,212 residents murdered by firearms and Hawaii being the safest with 1 out of every 428,499 residents murdered by firearms.


The number listed is the population divided by the total firearm homicides to render 1 homicide per (X) number of residents. (Red are Strict Gun Control, Blue are Pro-gun)

1. District of Columbia -----------1 / 3,212
2. Louisiana ---------------------1 / 9,423
3. Maryland ---------------------1 / 13,564
4. Arkansas ---------------------1 / 21,622
5. California ---------------------1 / 22,714
6. Michigan ---------------------1 / 22,737
7. Pennsylvania -----------------1 / 23,606
8. Missouri ----------------------1 / 23,654
9. North Carolina ----------------1 / 24,001
10. New Mexico ------------------1 / 24,130
11. Mississippi --------------------1 / 24,458
12. Oklahoma --------------------1 / 25,115
13. Alaska -----------------------1 / 31,907
14. Kentucky ---------------------1 / 32,107
15. New Jersey -------------------1 / 33,556
16. Illinois ------------------------1 / 37,410
17. New York ---------------------1 / 38,612
18. Delaware ---------------------1 / 38,794
19. West Virgina ------------------1 / 49,147
20. Massachusetts ----------------1 / 56,466
21. Idaho -------------------------1 / 58,658
22. Connecticut -------------------1 / 61,487
23. Utah --------------------------1 / 67,106
24. Rhode Island -------------------1 / 118,623
25. South Dakota ------------------1 / 195,479
26. North Dakota -------------------1 / 211,955
27. Hawaii -------------------------1 / 428,499

Bottom line, stricter firearm laws have no effect on firearm homicides.


That is why the Brady Center uses violent crime or firearm deaths instead of actual firearm homicides even though the firearm homicides are provided by the FBI online every year.






Link to FBI Stats Table 20 - Crime in the United States 2007

Link to Brady Center state rankings list http://www.stategunlaws.org/xshare/pdf/scorecard/2007/2007_scorecard_rankings.pdf

Population from the U.S. Census Bureau State and County QuickFacts

Wikipedia Firearm Homicides for the District of Columbia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Washington,_D.C.

damn fine research work

too bad it is wasted on fools like kirk/chris

 

[Missourian]

damn fine research work

too bad it is wasted on fools like kirk/chris

 

[Chris]

Alaska, South Carolina, Tennessee, Nevada, Alabama, and New Mexico are pro gun. They are also in the top ten in violent crime.

 

[Chris]

Dive, thanks for proving my point.

The pro gun states are all in the top ten in homicides except for states that are largely rural.