Does this New Testament scripture show that homosexuality is OK in Christianity?

[BluePhantom]

Good grief, homosexuality wasn't even a word then. Romans 1: 26-28 makes it perfectly clear two men or two women doing the nasty is a sin

Actually "paiderasste" was the Greek word in use at the time for homosexuality

Well but this creates a problem. Using proper rhetoric was, at the time, absolutely vital. Unless you wrote in the proper form no one took you seriously. Everyone wrote you off as uneducated and therefore your points had no merit. Paul, unlike the other Apostles, was a highly educated man. His undisputed letters are picture perfect with the rhetoric of the times and his command of Greek is excellent. That being the case why wouldn't he just say "paiderasste" and have done with it? That would have left absolutely no doubt to what he was talking about. There would be no room for debate. Instead, he uses words he appears to have invented, such as "arsenokotai" and writing in descriptions that are somewhat vague or at least open to interpretation. It's really a puzzling thing for a guy who writes with such authority and precision.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

"I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left." Luke 17:34

Keeping this scripture in mind is it possible that Romans 1 could refer to something other than homosexuality and that homosexuality is actually OK in Christianity?

Ya if prone to ripping singular verses out of context.

Paragraph's about the Rapture, Lot, and Sodom.

 

[BluePhantom]

"I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left." Luke 17:34

Keeping this scripture in mind is it possible that Romans 1 could refer to something other than homosexuality and that homosexuality is actually OK in Christianity?

Ya if prone to ripping singular verses out of context.

Paragraph's about the Rapture, Lot, and Sodom.

There is no rapture spoken of in the Bible. Jeez. How many times do we have to go over this?

 

[Agit8r]

Regardless, it says that all who judge will be judged, and merely being angry at your neighbor is as worthy of judgement as being a murderer, and thus that all who condemn homosexuals with word or deed are subject to as great a judgement.

 

[aris2chat]

That particular site isn't written by just one person, it's written by MANY people who have spent the better part of their academic life studying various religions, including the Bible and Christianity.

Like I said..............I trust the words of someone who studies this stuff for a living rather than some anonymous poster on USMB.

so, a LOT of gay people attempting to justify their life choices......

gay is not a choice. It is what they are.

????......what they do with it is a choice......similarly, you may be born an alcoholic, but you choose if you will drink.......

A risk of alcoholism can be passed from parent to child, but a gay parent does not pass gay-ness to their child. It is not like eye color. It is more like the chance of being born a conjoint twin.
Gay is more brain chemistry than DNA. If it is passed, it would come from the mother not father, in the X chromosome. It comes from the fluctuation of hormones in the womb as the brain is developing. It is not passed from one gay parent to the child.

It is not a choice. It is how they were made. They are born that way.

obviously, unless he's bi-sexual he doesn't pass any genes for anything to anyone......whether its abnormal chemistry or abnormal genes doesn't really matter.....they have a choice of letting the abnormality run their lives or controlling it.......

How is that a sin or wrong? "God"/nature made them that way. Why should they not find love if they had no choice in what happens as they were developing?

would you also encourage an alcoholic to drink.....why should he not find a good time in the way that God/nature made them to be?.....

gay can have their own children thru surrogate. Many have tried to live a lie as a straight person with a spouse. They don't pass gene to their children. Being gay is a fluctuation of hormones in the womb. Any women who has been pregnant will tell that hormones go crazy during that time. Being gay is an accident of chemical reaction during development, or being straight is the accident.

Gay, attraction to the same sex is in the brain, it is not a choice. It is the way god/nature made them.

 

[aris2chat]

"I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left." Luke 17:34

Keeping this scripture in mind is it possible that Romans 1 could refer to something other than homosexuality and that homosexuality is actually OK in Christianity?

Ya if prone to ripping singular verses out of context.

Paragraph's about the Rapture, Lot, and Sodom.

There is no rapture spoken of in the Bible. Jeez. How many times do we have to go over this?

Thessalonians, Paul

It is a NT/Paul idea. 5 (?) mentions by Paul

Certain christians today are consumed with the idea of a rapture, to the point were Jesus takes a second seat in their faith.
It is not about this life, but the next that care about. If they believe they will be chosen, everyone else is inferior, sinful. That vanity is their worse sin.

 

[BluePhantom]

"I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left." Luke 17:34

Keeping this scripture in mind is it possible that Romans 1 could refer to something other than homosexuality and that homosexuality is actually OK in Christianity?

Ya if prone to ripping singular verses out of context.

Paragraph's about the Rapture, Lot, and Sodom.

There is no rapture spoken of in the Bible. Jeez. How many times do we have to go over this?

Thessalonians, Paul

It is a NT/Paul idea. 5 (?) mentions by Paul

Certain christians today are consumed with the idea of a rapture, to the point were Jesus takes a second seat in their faith.
It is not about this life, but the next that care about. If they believe they will be chosen, everyone else is inferior, sinful. That vanity is their worse sin.

Not in the way we think of it today. Paul was an apocalypticist but he taught a very different version. The Rapture as we think of it today is when the faithful ascend to heaven to avoid all hell breaking loose on Earth, then God's good kingdom is established on Earth (which makes absolutely no sense if all God's followers are in heaven). In antiquity, an apocalypticist believed that God's good kingdom would come to the Earth and mankind would be free to worship and live in communion with God on Earth.

Paul's view was that everyone was going to heaven in a physical ascent of the living and the dead. It was not a spiritual ascent. Paul never taught that God's kingdom was coming to the Earth. He said that the faithful would be taken to heaven. So for a traditional apocalypticist God was coming to man and it would happen on the Earth. For Paul, God was bringing man to God in heaven and the Earth was an afterthought. They are dramatically different views and Paul's teaching was very unique.

Later, much much later actually, when the church realized that there were two very different messages being taught, they merely combined Paul's concept of an ascension with traditional apocalypticism to come up with the concept of the Rapture as we think of it today. But neither Paul, nor any other author of the Bible, had any concept of a mass ascension of the faithful in order to avoid the devastation that God would rain upon the Earth, and finally God's kingdom would be placed upon the Earth. That is church tradition that was developed in an effort to account for the contradictions between Paul and the other authors of the Bible

 

[PostmodernProph]

so, a LOT of gay people attempting to justify their life choices......

gay is not a choice. It is what they are.

????......what they do with it is a choice......similarly, you may be born an alcoholic, but you choose if you will drink.......

A risk of alcoholism can be passed from parent to child, but a gay parent does not pass gay-ness to their child. It is not like eye color. It is more like the chance of being born a conjoint twin.
Gay is more brain chemistry than DNA. If it is passed, it would come from the mother not father, in the X chromosome. It comes from the fluctuation of hormones in the womb as the brain is developing. It is not passed from one gay parent to the child.

It is not a choice. It is how they were made. They are born that way.

obviously, unless he's bi-sexual he doesn't pass any genes for anything to anyone......whether its abnormal chemistry or abnormal genes doesn't really matter.....they have a choice of letting the abnormality run their lives or controlling it.......

How is that a sin or wrong? "God"/nature made them that way. Why should they not find love if they had no choice in what happens as they were developing?

would you also encourage an alcoholic to drink.....why should he not find a good time in the way that God/nature made them to be?.....

gay can have their own children thru surrogate. Many have tried to live a lie as a straight person with a spouse. They don't pass gene to their children. Being gay is a fluctuation of hormones in the womb. Any women who has been pregnant will tell that hormones go crazy during that time. Being gay is an accident of chemical reaction during development, or being straight is the accident.

Gay, attraction to the same sex is in the brain, it is not a choice. It is the way god/nature made them.

god nor nature made them fuck up their lives.....deal with it........

 

[BluePhantom]

gay is not a choice. It is what they are.

????......what they do with it is a choice......similarly, you may be born an alcoholic, but you choose if you will drink.......

A risk of alcoholism can be passed from parent to child, but a gay parent does not pass gay-ness to their child. It is not like eye color. It is more like the chance of being born a conjoint twin.
Gay is more brain chemistry than DNA. If it is passed, it would come from the mother not father, in the X chromosome. It comes from the fluctuation of hormones in the womb as the brain is developing. It is not passed from one gay parent to the child.

It is not a choice. It is how they were made. They are born that way.

obviously, unless he's bi-sexual he doesn't pass any genes for anything to anyone......whether its abnormal chemistry or abnormal genes doesn't really matter.....they have a choice of letting the abnormality run their lives or controlling it.......

How is that a sin or wrong? "God"/nature made them that way. Why should they not find love if they had no choice in what happens as they were developing?

would you also encourage an alcoholic to drink.....why should he not find a good time in the way that God/nature made them to be?.....

gay can have their own children thru surrogate. Many have tried to live a lie as a straight person with a spouse. They don't pass gene to their children. Being gay is a fluctuation of hormones in the womb. Any women who has been pregnant will tell that hormones go crazy during that time. Being gay is an accident of chemical reaction during development, or being straight is the accident.

Gay, attraction to the same sex is in the brain, it is not a choice. It is the way god/nature made them.

god nor nature made them fuck up their lives.....deal with it........

Did you know penguins mate for life? It's true. There are also plenty of examples where two male or two female penguins went through the bonding ceremony and they stayed together for life. They also adopt chicks when both natural parents have been killed and they raise them as their own. Very successfully too. That I know of there hasn't been an example where a homosexual paired penguin was tossed out of the "warming huddle". Maybe they know more than we do. Flamingos do the same. Just throwing that out there. Interpret it how you see fit.

 

[aris2chat]

????......what they do with it is a choice......similarly, you may be born an alcoholic, but you choose if you will drink.......

A risk of alcoholism can be passed from parent to child, but a gay parent does not pass gay-ness to their child. It is not like eye color. It is more like the chance of being born a conjoint twin.
Gay is more brain chemistry than DNA. If it is passed, it would come from the mother not father, in the X chromosome. It comes from the fluctuation of hormones in the womb as the brain is developing. It is not passed from one gay parent to the child.

It is not a choice. It is how they were made. They are born that way.

obviously, unless he's bi-sexual he doesn't pass any genes for anything to anyone......whether its abnormal chemistry or abnormal genes doesn't really matter.....they have a choice of letting the abnormality run their lives or controlling it.......

How is that a sin or wrong? "God"/nature made them that way. Why should they not find love if they had no choice in what happens as they were developing?

would you also encourage an alcoholic to drink.....why should he not find a good time in the way that God/nature made them to be?.....

gay can have their own children thru surrogate. Many have tried to live a lie as a straight person with a spouse. They don't pass gene to their children. Being gay is a fluctuation of hormones in the womb. Any women who has been pregnant will tell that hormones go crazy during that time. Being gay is an accident of chemical reaction during development, or being straight is the accident.

Gay, attraction to the same sex is in the brain, it is not a choice. It is the way god/nature made them.

god nor nature made them fuck up their lives.....deal with it........

Did you know penguins mate for life? It's true. There are also plenty of examples where two male or two female penguins went through the bonding ceremony and they stayed together for life. They also adopt chicks when both natural parents have been killed and they raise them as their own. Very successfully too. That I know of there hasn't been an example where a homosexual paired penguin was tossed out of the "warming huddle". Maybe they know more than we do. Flamingos do the same. Just throwing that out there. Interpret it how you see fit.

Gay penguins in Kent zoo are the best parents - BBC News

 

[PostmodernProph]

Did you know penguins mate for life? It's true. There are also plenty of examples where two male or two female penguins went through the bonding ceremony and they stayed together for life. They also adopt chicks when both natural parents have been killed and they raise them as their own. Very successfully too. That I know of there hasn't been an example where a homosexual paired penguin was tossed out of the "warming huddle". Maybe they know more than we do. Flamingos do the same. Just throwing that out there. Interpret it how you see fit.

why should we concern ourselves with abnormal penguins?......