Does pork create and or save jobs?

[uscitizen]

Discuss.

 

[Liberty]

It is obvious the answer is yes, but only in the short term. If the country needs long term jobs AND careers, it is up to free enterprise to produce. It is a shame the government prevents such enterprises from hiring.

 

[boedicca]

It may save or create some jobs - but the opportunity cost in terms of the jobs it destroys or prevents from being created due to the transfer payment aspect is higher than the supposed saved/created ones.

 

[loosecannon]

 

[uscitizen]

It is obvious the answer is yes, but only in the short term. If the country needs long term jobs AND careers, it is up to free enterprise to produce. It is a shame the government prevents such enterprises from hiring.

Your first 2 sentences are correct then you went all delusional on us.

 

[Liberty]

It is obvious the answer is yes, but only in the short term. If the country needs long term jobs AND careers, it is up to free enterprise to produce. It is a shame the government prevents such enterprises from hiring.

Your first 2 sentences are correct then you went all delusional on us.

having not set in stone taxes is a good way to scare employers into playing it safe and not hiring.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hK46E72B1A[/ame]

 

[uscitizen]

It is obvious the answer is yes, but only in the short term. If the country needs long term jobs AND careers, it is up to free enterprise to produce. It is a shame the government prevents such enterprises from hiring.

Your first 2 sentences are correct then you went all delusional on us.

having not set in stone taxes is a good way to scare employers into playing it safe and not hiring.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hK46E72B1A[/ame]

Yeah a good thing workers do not take that same viewpoint. I am not going to work this year becuase I do not know how much I will pay in taxes...
If the opportunity for increased sales is there what company will not try and increase production?
But no jobs = flat or decreased sales. A vicious circle we are in.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Only in the short term...and usually in a really ineffective and inefficient way.
Government (in America) can only create long term employment through expanding the government...which in most cases is also horribly ineffective, chock filled with waste and fraud.
Anytime the government tries to create artificial demand or uses it's influence or tax dollars you get a truly messed up result, usually making the situation it was supposed to "fix"...worse.
The housing bubble being the largest example.
And one that is happening right now, the FED desperately trying to stave off a market crash by outright giving businesses tax payer dollars, monetizing debt etc. etc. This will only increase the depth and width of the inevitable abyss.

 

[Liberty]

watch the vid. its entertaining. youll gain some perspective.

 

[Oddball]

It is obvious the answer is yes, but only in the short term. If the country needs long term jobs AND careers, it is up to free enterprise to produce. It is a shame the government prevents such enterprises from hiring.

The answer isn't even yes in the short term.

Every dollar that gubmint spends to "create jobs" --whether through taxation or inflation-- is expropriated from somewhere else in the economy, which could itself be put into productive use.

There's still no such thing as free lunch.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

It is obvious the answer is yes, but only in the short term. If the country needs long term jobs AND careers, it is up to free enterprise to produce. It is a shame the government prevents such enterprises from hiring.

The answer isn't even yes in the short term.

Every dollar that gubmint spends to "create jobs" --whether through taxation or inflation-- is expropriated from somewhere else in the economy, which could itself be put into productive use.

There's still no such thing as free lunch.

As an employer, at the end of the month I show every employee here a shortened monthly statement. It is without fail that each time a new person is hired they are startled in disbelief at how much money the company pays in taxes/employee payroll taxes/employee benefits etc. They never knew how much money it takes to operate a business...and indeed the "evil company" torch carriers haven't the slightest idea - they all believe that companies and company administrators have bags of money stashed all over the place.
No one ever considers replacement costs, taxes, building repairs, mechanical repairs, product development, business losses - for every $million dollar sale item - a company will have dozens of items that lost money or only made slight margins for variety of reasons. Then you have business insurance, liability insurance, fleet insurance, disability insurance, workers comp insurance, unemployment state contributions...I am just getting warmed up.
Being a business is extraordinarily expensive, especially in America.

 

[Flopper]

It is obvious the answer is yes, but only in the short term. If the country needs long term jobs AND careers, it is up to free enterprise to produce. It is a shame the government prevents such enterprises from hiring.

Your first 2 sentences are correct then you went all delusional on us.

Yes, it create jobs which increases demand for goods and services. The increased demand encourages business to expand thus creating more permanent jobs and increasing the supply of goods and services.

Some would argue that taxes cuts encourage investment and creates jobs. That's only true if the cuts are for all income classes. Tax cuts for low income earners increases demand. Tax cuts for the wealthy increases investment and thus supply.

It's kind of a chicken or the egg dilemma. Which should come first demand or supply? Economist have argued this for years. The only thing everyone agrees on is that both demand and supply are required to create growth and jobs.

Unfortunately, there is no way to tell how much stimulus, tax cuts or government spending is needed to get the ball rolling.

 

[Oddball]

Demand-side economics is no less voodoo than supply-side.

And there's no more objectively quantifiable evidence to prove it works...Which is to say there's ZERO.

 

[Oddball]

It is obvious the answer is yes, but only in the short term. If the country needs long term jobs AND careers, it is up to free enterprise to produce. It is a shame the government prevents such enterprises from hiring.

The answer isn't even yes in the short term.

Every dollar that gubmint spends to "create jobs" --whether through taxation or inflation-- is expropriated from somewhere else in the economy, which could itself be put into productive use.

There's still no such thing as free lunch.

As an employer, at the end of the month I show every employee here a shortened monthly statement. It is without fail that each time a new person is hired they are startled in disbelief at how much money the company pays in taxes/employee payroll taxes/employee benefits etc. They never knew how much money it takes to operate a business...and indeed the "evil company" torch carriers haven't the slightest idea - they all believe that companies and company administrators have bags of money stashed all over the place.
No one ever considers replacement costs, taxes, building repairs, mechanical repairs, product development, business losses - for every $million dollar sale item - a company will have dozens of items that lost money or only made slight margins for variety of reasons. Then you have business insurance, liability insurance, fleet insurance, disability insurance, workers comp insurance, unemployment state contributions...I am just getting warmed up.
Being a business is extraordinarily expensive, especially in America.

I said it yesterday and it still fits...Fabian socialist progressives just love visible beneficiaries and invisible casualties.

 

[Mr Natural]

It helps these people.

 

[Ravi]

It is obvious the answer is yes, but only in the short term. If the country needs long term jobs AND careers, it is up to free enterprise to produce. It is a shame the government prevents such enterprises from hiring.

The answer isn't even yes in the short term.

Every dollar that gubmint spends to "create jobs" --whether through taxation or inflation-- is expropriated from somewhere else in the economy, which could itself be put into productive use.

There's still no such thing as free lunch.

As an employer, at the end of the month I show every employee here a shortened monthly statement. It is without fail that each time a new person is hired they are startled in disbelief at how much money the company pays in taxes/employee payroll taxes/employee benefits etc. They never knew how much money it takes to operate a business...and indeed the "evil company" torch carriers haven't the slightest idea - they all believe that companies and company administrators have bags of money stashed all over the place.
No one ever considers replacement costs, taxes, building repairs, mechanical repairs, product development, business losses - for every $million dollar sale item - a company will have dozens of items that lost money or only made slight margins for variety of reasons. Then you have business insurance, liability insurance, fleet insurance, disability insurance, workers comp insurance, unemployment state contributions...I am just getting warmed up.
Being a business is extraordinarily expensive, especially in America.

And yet it is still extremely profitable and the tax breaks are awesome.

Allow me to shed a tear for you and your poor little me act.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

The answer isn't even yes in the short term.

Every dollar that gubmint spends to "create jobs" --whether through taxation or inflation-- is expropriated from somewhere else in the economy, which could itself be put into productive use.

There's still no such thing as free lunch.

As an employer, at the end of the month I show every employee here a shortened monthly statement. It is without fail that each time a new person is hired they are startled in disbelief at how much money the company pays in taxes/employee payroll taxes/employee benefits etc. They never knew how much money it takes to operate a business...and indeed the "evil company" torch carriers haven't the slightest idea - they all believe that companies and company administrators have bags of money stashed all over the place.
No one ever considers replacement costs, taxes, building repairs, mechanical repairs, product development, business losses - for every $million dollar sale item - a company will have dozens of items that lost money or only made slight margins for variety of reasons. Then you have business insurance, liability insurance, fleet insurance, disability insurance, workers comp insurance, unemployment state contributions...I am just getting warmed up.
Being a business is extraordinarily expensive, especially in America.

And yet it is still extremely profitable and the tax breaks are awesome.

Allow me to shed a tear for you and your poor little me act.

Poor little me?
I wasn't aware anyone wanted to be felt sorry for.
"Extremely profitable" you say? Yeah. You are among the clueless when it comes to business that is for sure.
Here's a nickel kid...go buy yourself some gum.

 

[Baruch Menachem]

Pork at the federal level is theoretically able to increase industry through the multiplier effect. As Oddball pointed out, at the local level money for projects has to be taken first before it can be spent, and the damage done by stupid taxes and stupid spending gets taken from the multiplier before it gets added back in. So the net is a substantial loss.

Even at the federal level, the damage done through higher taxes, inflation, and the fact that people adjust spending in response to rational expectations is greater than the benefits received.

And one man's pork is another man's vital infrastructure. Reworking the I-5 217 interchange in Washington County would have been considered pork by everyone who did not have to use that area on a regular basis, but when they got done with that project it probably reduced pollution and travel time substantially.

 

[Care4all]

As an employer, at the end of the month I show every employee here a shortened monthly statement. It is without fail that each time a new person is hired they are startled in disbelief at how much money the company pays in taxes/employee payroll taxes/employee benefits etc. They never knew how much money it takes to operate a business...and indeed the "evil company" torch carriers haven't the slightest idea - they all believe that companies and company administrators have bags of money stashed all over the place.
No one ever considers replacement costs, taxes, building repairs, mechanical repairs, product development, business losses - for every $million dollar sale item - a company will have dozens of items that lost money or only made slight margins for variety of reasons. Then you have business insurance, liability insurance, fleet insurance, disability insurance, workers comp insurance, unemployment state contributions...I am just getting warmed up.
Being a business is extraordinarily expensive, especially in America.

And yet it is still extremely profitable and the tax breaks are awesome.

Allow me to shed a tear for you and your poor little me act.

Poor little me?
I wasn't aware anyone wanted to be felt sorry for.
"Extremely profitable" you say? Yeah. You are among the clueless when it comes to business that is for sure.
Here's a nickel kid...go buy yourself some gum.

uhhhh, she is in business. Owns a business. So your presumptions are NOT accurate.

 

[Bill Angel]

It is obvious the answer is yes, but only in the short term. If the country needs long term jobs AND careers, it is up to free enterprise to produce. It is a shame the government prevents such enterprises from hiring.

The answer isn't even yes in the short term.

Every dollar that gubmint spends to "create jobs" --whether through taxation or inflation-- is expropriated from somewhere else in the economy, which could itself be put into productive use.

There's still no such thing as free lunch.

As an employer, at the end of the month I show every employee here a shortened monthly statement. It is without fail that each time a new person is hired they are startled in disbelief at how much money the company pays in taxes/employee payroll taxes/employee benefits etc. They never knew how much money it takes to operate a business...and indeed the "evil company" torch carriers haven't the slightest idea - they all believe that companies and company administrators have bags of money stashed all over the place.
No one ever considers replacement costs, taxes, building repairs, mechanical repairs, product development, business losses - for every $million dollar sale item - a company will have dozens of items that lost money or only made slight margins for variety of reasons. Then you have business insurance, liability insurance, fleet insurance, disability insurance, workers comp insurance, unemployment state contributions...I am just getting warmed up.
Being a business is extraordinarily expensive, especially in America.

I've worked only as an employee, and not gotten involved in the management side of business enterprise. But businesses in the city where I live (Baltimore) appear to survive if they can attract and retain a loyal customer base. By this I mean that customers don't necessarity automatically patronize the lowest cost supplier of a product. If they did, the only operating businesses in Baltimore would be Wal-Mart and McDonalds, which certainly isn't the case. On the other hand, a lot of retail and office space in Baltimore's urban center currently remains vacant, as no businesses feel that they can make a going concern running a commercial operation at these locations.