Doctor Ebola Arrives in the US

[g5000]

Ebola has been studied since 1976. I'm pretty sure the medical community has learned quite a lot about it in all that time.

Duh.

It has been determined that a human is not contagious by saliva or vomit or blood once a blood test confirms the virus is gone.

The virus has been found in male semen up to 61 days after infection, so it is recommended the patient refrain from having sex for 3 to 6 months after infection.

Infected women are to wean their children from breastfeeding.

Contrary to Hollywood disaster movies about Ebola, it does not spread like wildfire. The daily geometric progression fearmongering is total bullshit.

 

[ChrisL]

Africa is a 3rd world country.

Oopsie, that should have been continent. I'm sure everyone knew what I meant though.

 

[ChrisL]

First you tell me when we'll start to see the pandemic from this guy's semen. Answer the question. I want an exact number like 4 weeks. A numeral.

I've read that the virus can be present up in a man's semen for up to 7 weeks, but I'm sure he has been tested for any traces of the virus, and is not the case in all people.

So how reliable are the tests? And why the conflict in consensus between experts on ebola for the amount of time a survivor's body fluids remain infectious?

Wouldn't a smart person conclude that we should have firm and concrete knowledge, tests and even a vaccine for a 90% fatal disease before we allow it into the New World?

Like I've told you multiple times now, they test the patients for signs of the virus still remaining. If there were traces of the virus still remaining, then they would still be quarantined in the hospital. What in the hell, do you think our doctors are idiots or something? If think you want something bad to happen, that's what I think. This is all wishful thinking and projection on your part. What's wrong with you?

Doctors admit they are still in the learning process about ebola's etiology. They are self-admitting being "idiots". So with a disease 90% fatal, that we are in siginficant ignorance of, particularly with respect to how long a survivor remains a carrier in their body fluids, we err on the side of extreme caution.

You don't let a questionable cow into the herd if you're not precisely sure if that cow is a carrier of a herd-destroying disease. As for testing of ebola, you still haven't given a link that sings the praises of the accuracy of these tests. I'll await that link.

Sorry, but I don't really believe any of your claims. Your user name should be Chicken Little. Lol!

 

[Silhouette]

Ebola has been studied since 1976. I'm pretty sure the medical community has learned quite a lot about it in all that time.

Duh.

It has been determined that a human is not contagious by saliva or vomit or blood once a blood test confirms the virus is gone.

The virus has been found in male semen up to 61 days after infection, so it is recommended the patient refrain from having sex for 3 to 6 months after infection.

Infected women are to wean their children from breastfeeding.

Contrary to Hollywood disaster movies about Ebola, it does not spread like wildfire. The daily geometric progression fearmongering is total bullshit.

I wonder why the virus is found exclusively just in semen after the survivor recovers when before that it was found in all bodily fluids including semen, feces and urine [& breast milk, tears, saliva etc...] And JUST semen?

Let's see...found in semen for "up to" 61 days but they tell the survivors to refrain from sex for 3 to 6 months. If it's 61 days then it's 61 days. Why 6 months? And will every young man who survives ebola refrain from sex for 61 days as directed by his doctor? I mean, we all know how well young men listen to expert advice and how they're famous for keeping their dicks in their pants...

 

[g5000]

Ebola has been studied since 1976. I'm pretty sure the medical community has learned quite a lot about it in all that time.

Duh.

It has been determined that a human is not contagious by saliva or vomit or blood once a blood test confirms the virus is gone.

The virus has been found in male semen up to 61 days after infection, so it is recommended the patient refrain from having sex for 3 to 6 months after infection.

Infected women are to wean their children from breastfeeding.

Contrary to Hollywood disaster movies about Ebola, it does not spread like wildfire. The daily geometric progression fearmongering is total bullshit.

I wonder why the virus is found exclusively just in semen after the survivor recovers when before that it was found in all bodily fluids including semen, feces and urine [& breast milk, tears, saliva etc...] And JUST semen?

Let's see...found in semen for "up to" 61 days but they tell the survivors to refrain from sex for 3 to 6 months. If it's 61 days then it's 61 days. Why 6 months?

It's called an overabundance of caution.

Sorry, but the fantasy scenario of one guy infected on the first day, then two people infected the next day, and then four people the third day, and eight people the day after that is bullshit.

 

[SteadyMercury]

And will every young man who survives ebola refrain from sex for 61 days as directed by his doctor?

Every outbreak of Ebola since it was identified almost 40 years ago has petered out. That leaves hundreds of survivors, many of them male, in regions where birth control isn't prevalent and education about the disease is minimal.

Did all these survivors running off into the community with their semen manage to further spread the disease and keep the pandemic alive? Nope. The disease always died out.

Yet here you are worrying about the semen one married medical doctor who survived it. Give me a break.

 

[Silhouette]

Ebola has been studied since 1976. I'm pretty sure the medical community has learned quite a lot about it in all that time.

Duh.

It has been determined that a human is not contagious by saliva or vomit or blood once a blood test confirms the virus is gone.

The virus has been found in male semen up to 61 days after infection, so it is recommended the patient refrain from having sex for 3 to 6 months after infection.

Infected women are to wean their children from breastfeeding.

Contrary to Hollywood disaster movies about Ebola, it does not spread like wildfire. The daily geometric progression fearmongering is total bullshit.

I wonder why the virus is found exclusively just in semen after the survivor recovers when before that it was found in all bodily fluids including semen, feces and urine [& breast milk, tears, saliva etc...] And JUST semen?

Let's see...found in semen for "up to" 61 days but they tell the survivors to refrain from sex for 3 to 6 months. If it's 61 days then it's 61 days. Why 6 months?

It's called an overabundance of caution.

Sorry, but the fantasy scenario of one guy infected on the first day, then two people infected the next day, and then four people the third day, and eight people the day after that is bullshit.

Ebola spreads rapidly. The scenario of spreading you say is bullshit is actually quite possible.

My point is that even if they were certain ebola is only infectious in semen [and ??] for 61days [which they aren't and why they recommend 3 to 6 months abstinence instead] what young male survivor is going to abstain from sex religiously "because it is ordered by a doctor"? Or 3-6 months!

Answer: zero. When it comes to sex you may have heard that young men do not have intrinsic to their character an "overabundance of caution"...

 

[Silhouette]

Another ebola doctor dies/distant specialist infected by unknown ebola vector:

August 28, 2014

A third top doctor has died from Ebola in Sierra Leone as health workers try to determine how a scientist also contracted the disease before being evacuated to Europe....

...
The World Health Organisation said it was sending a team to investigate how the epidemiologist now undergoing treatment in Germany may have contracted the disease that kills more than half its victims....

...
The Senegalese epidemiologist who was evacuated to Germany had been doing surveillance work for the UN health agency, said Ms Feig, the WHO spokeswoman. The position involves coordinating the outbreak response by working with lab experts, health workers and hospitals.
"He wasn't in treatment centers normally," she said by telephone from Sierra Leone. "It's possible he went in there and wasn't properly covered, but that's why we've taken this unusual measure - to try to figure out what happened."
A team of two experts was sent Tuesday to investigate how the infection happened, including whether there is an infection risk in the living and working environments that had not been discovered, said Ms Feig. In the meantime, WHO has pulled out its team from Kailahun, where the epidemiologist was working. Third doctor dies from Ebola in Sierra Leone - World News TVNZ

Yep. Seen it half a dozen times on my ranch. The stock just starts dying with a virulent epidemic and they start falling like dominos before you can figure out how and why.

Great idea to bring infected people to the New World without even the experts having a clue at how long body fluids can infect even an environment they were in...

Great work CDC. Glad to know you folks are doing your jobs to keep this nation from a national emergency..

 

[ChrisL]

Ebola has been studied since 1976. I'm pretty sure the medical community has learned quite a lot about it in all that time.

Duh.

It has been determined that a human is not contagious by saliva or vomit or blood once a blood test confirms the virus is gone.

The virus has been found in male semen up to 61 days after infection, so it is recommended the patient refrain from having sex for 3 to 6 months after infection.

Infected women are to wean their children from breastfeeding.

Contrary to Hollywood disaster movies about Ebola, it does not spread like wildfire. The daily geometric progression fearmongering is total bullshit.

I wonder why the virus is found exclusively just in semen after the survivor recovers when before that it was found in all bodily fluids including semen, feces and urine [& breast milk, tears, saliva etc...] And JUST semen?

Let's see...found in semen for "up to" 61 days but they tell the survivors to refrain from sex for 3 to 6 months. If it's 61 days then it's 61 days. Why 6 months?

It's called an overabundance of caution.

Sorry, but the fantasy scenario of one guy infected on the first day, then two people infected the next day, and then four people the third day, and eight people the day after that is bullshit.

Ebola spreads rapidly. The scenario of spreading you say is bullshit is actually quite possible.

My point is that even if they were certain ebola is only infectious in semen [and ??] for 61days [which they aren't and why they recommend 3 to 6 months abstinence instead] what young male survivor is going to abstain from sex religiously "because it is ordered by a doctor"? Or 3-6 months!

Answer: zero. When it comes to sex you may have heard that young men do not have intrinsic to their character an "overabundance of caution"...

Good grief! Should we ship all of our infectious disease patients off to some deserted island somewhere and hope for the best? You are aware that there are OTHER infectious diseases, such as AIDS which are also spread by sexual contact?

 

[ChrisL]

Good grief! Should we ship all of our infectious disease patients off to some deserted island somewhere and hope for the best? You are aware that there are OTHER infectious diseases, such as AIDS which are also spread by sexual contact?

Why would somebody dislike this post. There is nothing untrue about it.

 

[SteadyMercury]

Great idea to bring infected people to the New World without even the experts having a clue at how long body fluids can infect even an environment they were in...

Great work continuing to think people way smarter than you who personally evaluated and released these patients don't have a clue.

Great work CDC. Glad to know you folks are doing your jobs to keep this nation from a national emergency..

That is the beauty of it, they are... and when this whole thing is over and there is no US pandemic despite your relentless terrorized warnings we'll do just like with your "Tokyo is gone" hilarity... keep coming back at it to get a good laugh.

 

[Silhouette]

Great idea to bring infected people to the New World without even the experts having a clue at how long body fluids can infect even an environment they were in...

Great work continuing to think people way smarter than you who personally evaluated and released these patients don't have a clue.

Great work CDC. Glad to know you folks are doing your jobs to keep this nation from a national emergency..

That is the beauty of it, they are... and when this whole thing is over and there is no US pandemic despite your relentless terrorized warnings we'll do just like with your "Tokyo is gone" hilarity... keep coming back at it to get a good laugh.

Apparently you missed the parts in bold where top experts in the World Health Organization are unclear as to how the epidemiologist came down with ebola and are sending a special team to try to figure it out. Even they don't know. THAT'S THE POINT!

August 28, 2014
A third top doctor has died from Ebola in Sierra Leone as health workers try to determine how a scientist also contracted the disease before being evacuated to Europe....
...
The World Health Organisation said it was sending a team to investigate how the epidemiologist now undergoing treatment in Germany may have contracted the disease that kills more than half its victims....
...
The Senegalese epidemiologist who was evacuated to Germany had been doing surveillance work for the UN health agency, said Ms Feig, the WHO spokeswoman. The position involves coordinating the outbreak response by working with lab experts, health workers and hospitals.
"He wasn't in treatment centers normally," she said by telephone from Sierra Leone. "It's possible he went in there and wasn't properly covered, but that's why we've taken this unusual measure - to try to figure out what happened."
A team of two experts was sent Tuesday to investigate how the infection happened, including whether there is an infection risk in the living and working environments that had not been discovered, said Ms Feig. In the meantime, WHO has pulled out its team from Kailahun, where the epidemiologist was working. Third doctor dies from Ebola in Sierra Leone - World News TVNZ

 

[SteadyMercury]

Apparently you missed the parts in bold where top experts in the World Health Organization are unclear as to how the epidemiologist came down with ebola and are sending a special team to try to figure it out. Even they don't know. THAT'S THE POINT!

Not knowing how he contracted it is completely different from testing someone in a lab to clear them.

I know you're running around screaming to the skies that some released doctor will spread his semen and start a new epidemic, but the fact is every Ebola outbreak has died out despite survivors in places without much education or birth control returning to the population.

Your anxiety disorder leads to irrational fears and even more irrational posts.

 

[ChrisL]

Great idea to bring infected people to the New World without even the experts having a clue at how long body fluids can infect even an environment they were in...

Great work continuing to think people way smarter than you who personally evaluated and released these patients don't have a clue.

Great work CDC. Glad to know you folks are doing your jobs to keep this nation from a national emergency..

That is the beauty of it, they are... and when this whole thing is over and there is no US pandemic despite your relentless terrorized warnings we'll do just like with your "Tokyo is gone" hilarity... keep coming back at it to get a good laugh.

Apparently you missed the parts in bold where top experts in the World Health Organization are unclear as to how the epidemiologist came down with ebola and are sending a special team to try to figure it out. Even they don't know. THAT'S THE POINT!

August 28, 2014
A third top doctor has died from Ebola in Sierra Leone as health workers try to determine how a scientist also contracted the disease before being evacuated to Europe....
...
The World Health Organisation said it was sending a team to investigate how the epidemiologist now undergoing treatment in Germany may have contracted the disease that kills more than half its victims....
...
The Senegalese epidemiologist who was evacuated to Germany had been doing surveillance work for the UN health agency, said Ms Feig, the WHO spokeswoman. The position involves coordinating the outbreak response by working with lab experts, health workers and hospitals.
"He wasn't in treatment centers normally," she said by telephone from Sierra Leone. "It's possible he went in there and wasn't properly covered, but that's why we've taken this unusual measure - to try to figure out what happened."
A team of two experts was sent Tuesday to investigate how the infection happened, including whether there is an infection risk in the living and working environments that had not been discovered, said Ms Feig. In the meantime, WHO has pulled out its team from Kailahun, where the epidemiologist was working. Third doctor dies from Ebola in Sierra Leone - World News TVNZ

Oh, now that's the point?

 

[ChrisL]

Apparently you missed the parts in bold where top experts in the World Health Organization are unclear as to how the epidemiologist came down with ebola and are sending a special team to try to figure it out. Even they don't know. THAT'S THE POINT!

Not knowing how he contracted it is completely different from testing someone in a lab to clear them.

I know you're running around screaming to the skies that some released doctor will spread his semen and start a new epidemic, but the fact is every Ebola outbreak has died out despite survivors in places without much education or birth control returning to the population.

Your anxiety disorder leads to irrational fears and even more irrational posts.

Going through life being afraid of every disease outbreak must become rather tiresome. I think there is a psychological name for this. Lol.

 

[francoHFW]

We all gonna DIE!!

 

[Silhouette]

There seems to be a concerted effort to poo poo anyone of the 53% [a majority] who voted in the poll above and their legitimate concerns about importing a 90% fatal disease that isn't fully understood into the US.

Again, how accurate are those post-survival blood tests? As yet you have not provided a link on information about them. HIV can be present, for example, in a person for 6 months and be undetected in blood tests while that person goes about infecting others during that time.

And the World Health Organization has no clue as to why the epidemiologist got ebola. He wasn't even around infected patients. They know it is carried by bats, but they're not sure exactly how. They think it's feces, but aren't 100% sure. They also know it infects a type of antelope and I've heard camels too. Does it infect rats, which are closely related to bats? Rats are everywhere in the world.

This isn't paranoia. It's common sense. And if saving the country from virulent epidemics like ebola is a paranoid idea then you should just defund the CDC and go on your "positive thinking" policy of protecting public health.

 

[SteadyMercury]

This isn't paranoia. It's common sense. And if saving the country from virulent epidemics like ebola is a paranoid idea then you should just defund the CDC and go on your "positive thinking" policy of protecting public health.

It is common sense to someone who is paranoid. You are completely dismissing the expertise of medical staff from various organizations clearing this patient being released by throwing out wild speculation after wild speculation.

Furthermore you aren't saving the the country from an epidemic, you are just regurgitating irrational fears.

 

[Silhouette]

This isn't paranoia. It's common sense. And if saving the country from virulent epidemics like ebola is a paranoid idea then you should just defund the CDC and go on your "positive thinking" policy of protecting public health.

It is common sense to someone who is paranoid. You are completely dismissing the expertise of medical staff from various organizations clearing this patient being released by throwing out wild speculation after wild speculation.

Furthermore you aren't saving the the country from an epidemic, you are just regurgitating irrational fears.

Keeping ebola patients out of the country is not an irrational action. It's what the CDC is for. Furthermore, are you suggesting that the medical staff from 'various organizations' are more qualified than the experts at the World Health Organization that are currently perplexed as to how the epidemiologist contracted the ebola he has that he is now struggling with in Germany?

When you don't know how a 90% fatal disease is spread exactly, nor to what level it is zoonotic and persists in an environment outside of a host, you don't import it and then figure it out on the fly later..

 

[Skylar]

Ebola spreads rapidly. The scenario of spreading you say is bullshit is actually quite possible.

Its ridiculously improbable. As is virtually your every claim about the Ebola outbreak spreading to the US and resulting in nuclear meltdowns. The doctor is fine. The nurse is fine. The doomsday scenario you described didn't happen or ever come close to happening.

You simply don't know what you're talking about. The folks at the CDC, once again, did.

My point is that even if they were certain ebola is only infectious in semen [and ??] for 61days [which they aren't and why they recommend 3 to 6 months abstinence instead] what young male survivor is going to abstain from sex religiously "because it is ordered by a doctor"? Or 3-6 months!

Who says its infectious for 61 days? The virus is *detectable*. Transmission from sex after recovery has never been reported. Meaning at the very least that its ridiculously unlikely. You've been wrong at every stage of this debate, with your every prediction turning out to be meaningless tripe.

But this time its different, huh? Um, no.