Do you trust Muslims?

[logical4u]

this is ignorant americans at their finest. just continue embrassing this nation to the world. what is next? do you trust catholics? do you trust hindus? do you trust jews?

where does it end?

Isn't that what the dems are teaching? Do you trust capitalists? Do you trust big oil? Do you trust bankers? Do you trust people that disagree with Obama? Do you trust southerners?

Why can't we be politically incorrect, and ask direct questions?

 

[Toro]

I trust the average Muslim more than I trust the average bigot spewing vitriol towards Muslims.

Because your "average bigot" has flown so many jumbo jets into your buildings, tried to blow up Times Square...

Btw, mooslums aren't bigots, they just want to kill you.

Thanks for confirming.

 

[logical4u]

Let me make this perfectly clear to you, I do not think the OK bombing excuses the actions of Islamic terrorists. I just wanted to point out, there are extremists in all religions who do unspeakable things in the name of religion or for whatever reason. We have domestic terrorists right here. The majority of them are NOT muslims.

Extremists are wrong, no matter what religion they follow. What I find pathetic is the ignorance of people here in the states who say all muslims are terrorists. That is beyond moronic and extremely egotistical.

The guy who killed Tiller (the abortion doc) at that church is a prime example of what I am talking about.

Thank you.

I'm glad you cleared the up for me.

Now allow me to revise my original point.

I think it's pretty pathetic that Zona thinks that the Oklahoma City bombing and The Unabomber are somehow legitimate comparisons to a deeply funded global network of extremist Islamic terrorist organizations intent on overthrowing foreign governments and instituting worldwide sharia law.

Better?

What percentage of the 1.5 billion muslims world wide fall into this catagory... what percentage of moderate muslims fall into this here in the states?

Is this question clear enough for you? When you say ALL of any group, you are wrong.

Not all Muslims are extremists. Period.

You are right. Only approximately 30,000,000 are extremists (2% of 1.5 bil), and the second pillar requires practicing muslims to donate to "jihad". Does that make you feel better to know that there are ONLY 30,000,000 wackos moving among us?

 

[logical4u]

The majority of Muslims don't support Islamic extremism, but are certainly indifferent to it, the rest are extremists save the Secular Muslims that are against Islamic extremism (and support Israel's right to exist but want a secular Israel alongside a secular Palestine) and are being persecuted/killed in Islamic nations because they want to introduce western values to the middle east. Liberals don't see this reality, and just want to hate Jews and western society with the same xenophobia and hatred they have had since Marx's time (Marx being an rampant anti-Semite).

Marxist and Socialist Anti-Semitism and Anti-Zionism
MARX AND ANTI-SEMITISM

Until the majority of Muslims speak out against extremism we are all on danger. There are two ways that we can have peace with Islam, and neither is pretty. I would prefer that Muslims work to actively reform Islam and cleanse the extremists from their ranks, because the only alternative is that we work to actively eliminate Islam as a religion. Unfortunately, until we stop accepting Islam as a religion of peace the second is more likely that the first.

That is the problem. The system of islam has no seperation between the spiritual and the government. The leaders must be obeyed under the threat of death. Spiritually muslims can be awesome, but if they disagree publically with the leaders their family can be tortured and killed, along with them.

 

[logical4u]

I have no issues of muslim freedom, so long as it is not obtained by terrorism.

That's how Israeli freedom was obtained. Don't worry; we tend not to imitate our enemies.

"staying out of the way" is more or less having the world roll over and allow the islamic jihad to kill all those how oppose it. "Staying out of the way" is allowing shaira laws to supersede all other law. The world "Staying out of the way" is the muslim agenda.

Your approval of our way of life is not necessary. We only ask that you avoid interfering in our affairs and allow us to live in peace.

Do you have some evidence on those Israeli terrorists?

 

[Kalam]

I have no issues of muslim freedom, so long as it is not obtained by terrorism.

That's how Israeli freedom was obtained. Don't worry; we tend not to imitate our enemies.

"staying out of the way" is more or less having the world roll over and allow the islamic jihad to kill all those how oppose it. "Staying out of the way" is allowing shaira laws to supersede all other law. The world "Staying out of the way" is the muslim agenda.

Your approval of our way of life is not necessary. We only ask that you avoid interfering in our affairs and allow us to live in peace.

Do you have some evidence on those Israeli terrorists?

Deir Yassin massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
King David Hotel bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

etc.

It continued even after they got their state:
Lavon Affair - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Toro]

That's how Israeli freedom was obtained. Don't worry; we tend not to imitate our enemies.


Your approval of our way of life is not necessary. We only ask that you avoid interfering in our affairs and allow us to live in peace.

Do you have some evidence on those Israeli terrorists?

Deir Yassin massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
King David Hotel bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

etc.

It continued even after they got their state:
Lavon Affair - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Let's not forget the Christian Phalange.

Sabra and Shatila massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Hister]

I have no issues of muslim freedom, so long as it is not obtained by terrorism.

That's how Israeli freedom was obtained. Don't worry; we tend not to imitate our enemies.
Your approval of our way of life is not necessary. We only ask that you avoid interfering in our affairs and allow us to live in peace.

Fucking Kalam, I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH YOU!!!!!!!!!!

But no, I won't be kissing any dirty carpets anytime soon.

 

[bodecea]

Truely? I don't trust anyone who wears their religion on their sleeve.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

That is the problem. The system of islam has no seperation between the spiritual and the government. The leaders must be obeyed under the threat of death. Spiritually muslims can be awesome, but if they disagree publically with the leaders their family can be tortured and killed, along with them.

And that is the main reason so few actually do speak out, and why Islam needs to experience something akin to the Protestant Reformation. As more and more Muslims speak out, it will be harder for the radicals to control the debate through threats.

 

[mattskramer]

What a pathetic thread. Let me ask: Do you trust Christians? You have preachers that solicit prostitutes. There are those that are caught in adultery and using donations as hush-money for mistresses. You see leaders like Fred Phelps and his “God hates Fags” ilk. Take a look at the list:

List of Christian evangelist scandals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Then there are Christian terrorists.

Read about the Hutaree:

Hutaree - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Read about the Army of God:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_(USA)

Here is the section on Christian terrorism:

Christian terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you happen to be a Christian, perhaps I shouldn’t trust you. Have you ever heard of the fallacy of being guilty by association and the errors of gross generalization? Can’t we all just get along?

Study this and get back with me:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilt_by_association

 

[logical4u]

That's how Israeli freedom was obtained. Don't worry; we tend not to imitate our enemies.


Your approval of our way of life is not necessary. We only ask that you avoid interfering in our affairs and allow us to live in peace.

Do you have some evidence on those Israeli terrorists?

Deir Yassin massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
King David Hotel bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

etc.

It continued even after they got their state:
Lavon Affair - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

One was in time of war.
Two were "terrorist" acts. Compare that to the thousands of muslim terrorists attacks. It just doesn't compare.
These acts were denounced by the Israeli government in one instance and by the British and American governments in the other instances.
Where are the muslim governments denouncing muslim terrorists, or has it become so "ordinary" it isn't worth the time?

 

[logical4u]

Do you have some evidence on those Israeli terrorists?

Deir Yassin massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
King David Hotel bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

etc.

It continued even after they got their state:
Lavon Affair - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Let's not forget the Christian Phalange.

Sabra and Shatila massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A retalitalitory strike? Don't the muslim terrorists "always" hide behind civilians in hope that some will be killed that they can then parade on western media?
So that brings it up to four argueable terrorist attacks by jews compared to thousands, and thousands of terrorists attacks by muslims over the same period. Are you saying this makes them equal in barbarism?

 

[logical4u]

What a pathetic thread. Let me ask: Do you trust Christians? You have preachers that solicit prostitutes. There are those that are caught in adultery and using donations as hush-money for mistresses. You see leaders like Fred Phelps and his “God hates Fags” ilk. Take a look at the list:

List of Christian evangelist scandals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Then there are Christian terrorists.

Read about the Hutaree:

Hutaree - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Read about the Army of God:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_(USA)

Here is the section on Christian terrorism:

Christian terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you happen to be a Christian, perhaps I shouldn’t trust you. Have you ever heard of the fallacy of being guilty by association and the errors of gross generalization? Can’t we all just get along?

Study this and get back with me:

Association fallacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I trust no one that introduces themselves as "Christian" first (that is usually code for I am going to do some very un-Christian things). Other people, I usually do not trust until they have earned it. Muslims, I would like to trust and would give them a chance, but I would never forget
"Now, let us have a closer look at what the Koran says about the infidels:-

Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them(2:191)
Make war on the infidels living in your neighboorhood (9:123)
When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them (9:5)
Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax (9:29)
Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable (3:85)
The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them (9:30)
Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticise Islam. (5:33)
The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque (9:28)
Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies
(22:19)

Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them (47:4)
The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them (8:65)
Muslims must not take the infidels as friends (3:28)
Terrorise and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an (8:12)
Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorise the infidels (8:60)
The Qur’an certainly proclaims that when the time is appropriate, Muslims must use force to convert the unbelievers to Islam. For the non-Muslims, the alternative to this is to pay the humiliating protection money (Jizya tax) or be killed (by beheading, of course). A militarily dominant Islam, without doubt, precludes the peaceful co-existence with the unbelievers if the Muslims have to abide strictly by the unalterable stipulations of the Qur’an."

If they support Shari'ah, then this is part of who they are.

 

[DavidS]

You know, I kind of think a discussion quite similar to this was occurring 70 odd years ago in Germany and instead of Muslims it was Jews.

No, Muslims aren't being sent into concentration camps like the Jews were, well at least not here in America, they kind of do that well enough on their own in their countries... they keep themselves extremely poor and live in extremely poor conditions.

Anyway, although I don't entirely trust Muslims, I don't discriminate against them. I don't believe they're all anti-american. I believe there are more White people in America who pretend they're pro-American and are really anti-american, than there are American Muslims who are anti-American.

 

[007]

I see the muslims on TV whining about their "civil rights" being violated regarding the Obama Mosque near Ground-Zero. I can't help thinking about all the terror attacks and "near misses" from muslims since 9/11.

Lets take a poll on the trustworthiness of muslims. If we let them in are we stupid idealistic chumps? Is it the "stupid is as stupid does" scene, or "they aren't taking advantage of Constitutional Rights, they are good citizens?

A few beheadings, honor killings, and massacres aside.....do you trust muslims?

No.

 

[Hister]

You know, I kind of think a discussion quite similar to this was occurring 70 odd years ago in Germany and instead of Muslims it was Jews.

No, Muslims aren't being sent into concentration camps like the Jews were, well at least not here in America, they kind of do that well enough on their own in their countries... they keep themselves extremely poor and live in extremely poor conditions.

Anyway, although I don't entirely trust Muslims, I don't discriminate against them. I don't believe they're all anti-american. I believe there are more White people in America who pretend they're pro-American and are really anti-american, than there are American Muslims who are anti-American.

Maybe we should see if Germany still has some working ovens... If we're going to do the time (labelled as bigots...), why not do the crime?

 

[HUGGY]

I see the muslims on TV whining about their "civil rights" being violated regarding the Obama Mosque near Ground-Zero. I can't help thinking about all the terror attacks and "near misses" from muslims since 9/11.

Lets take a poll on the trustworthiness of muslims. If we let them in are we stupid idealistic chumps? Is it the "stupid is as stupid does" scene, or "they aren't taking advantage of Constitutional Rights, they are good citizens?

A few beheadings, honor killings, and massacres aside.....do you trust muslims?

The gas stations I go to regularly are run by Muslims. They always give exact change and keep their pumps checked for accuracy. They are always cheaper than the other stations by about a QUARTER a gallon. The properties are spotlessly clean inside and out. They have restrooms for the public. What more could one ask from a gas station?...run by Muslims..

 

[Kalam]

One was in time of war.

So are the overwhelming majority of Palestinian "terrorist" attacks. Do you now excuse them?

Two were "terrorist" acts. Compare that to the thousands of muslim terrorists attacks. It just doesn't compare.

When you insist on applying different standards to different groups, comparisons tend to be rare.

These acts were denounced by the Israeli government in one instance and by the British and American governments in the other instances.

Who cares? Muslims denouncing 9/11 doesn't seem to have changed your perceptions, so why should this change mine?

Where are the muslim governments denouncing muslim terrorists, or has it become so "ordinary" it isn't worth the time?

Google is your friend.

Let me google that for you

 

[johnrocks]

I look at individuals , not groups.