Do you trust Muslims?

[Zona]

I look at individuals , not groups.

I wish everyone would do this. Really.

 

[Hister]

I look at individuals , not groups.

I wish everyone would do this. Really.

Zona, I think he means porn.

 

[logical4u]

One was in time of war.

So are the overwhelming majority of Palestinian "terrorist" attacks. Do you now excuse them?

Two were "terrorist" acts. Compare that to the thousands of muslim terrorists attacks. It just doesn't compare.

When you insist on applying different standards to different groups, comparisons tend to be rare.

These acts were denounced by the Israeli government in one instance and by the British and American governments in the other instances.

Who cares? Muslims denouncing 9/11 doesn't seem to have changed your perceptions, so why should this change mine?

Where are the muslim governments denouncing muslim terrorists, or has it become so "ordinary" it isn't worth the time?

Google is your friend.

Let me google that for you

Different standards? How do you apply the same standards to people that "try" to avoid killing civilians, and if possible take the fight away from civilians to people that purposely use civilians as 'shield' knowing it will result in civilian deaths?

The question, how do you equate a half dozen 'isolated' incidents to a campaign of terror that is practiced daily throughout the world? Where are people declaring war on muslims? Where are countries declaring war against muslim countries, because they disagree with the governments? (the USA attacked after being attacked)

The Palestinians are at war? Why don't they openly declare it, instead of living off western money (provided by the UN), in 'camps'? Why don't they get on with it?

The question was where are the muslim GOVERNMENTS (in case you missed that the first time), protesting and denouncing the acts of terror?

As for the other link, sorry that was creepy, like a giant Charles Manson party. What was that thing in the middle? It looked like they were worshipping it.

 

[mattskramer]

What a pathetic thread. Let me ask: Do you trust Christians? You have preachers that solicit prostitutes. There are those that are caught in adultery and using donations as hush-money for mistresses. You see leaders like Fred Phelps and his “God hates Fags” ilk. Take a look at the list:

List of Christian evangelist scandals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Then there are Christian terrorists.

Read about the Hutaree:

Hutaree - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Read about the Army of God:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_(USA)

Here is the section on Christian terrorism:

Christian terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you happen to be a Christian, perhaps I shouldn’t trust you. Have you ever heard of the fallacy of being guilty by association and the errors of gross generalization? Can’t we all just get along?

Study this and get back with me:

Association fallacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I trust no one that introduces themselves as "Christian" first (that is usually code for I am going to do some very un-Christian things). Other people, I usually do not trust until they have earned it. Muslims, I would like to trust and would give them a chance, but I would never forget
"Now, let us have a closer look at what the Koran says about the infidels:-

Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them(2:191)
Make war on the infidels living in your neighboorhood (9:123)
When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them (9:5)
Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax (9:29)
Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable (3:85)
The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them (9:30)
Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticise Islam. (5:33)
The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque (9:28)
Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies
(22:19)

Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them (47:4)
The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them (8:65)
Muslims must not take the infidels as friends (3:28)
Terrorise and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an (8:12)
Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorise the infidels (8:60)
The Qur’an certainly proclaims that when the time is appropriate, Muslims must use force to convert the unbelievers to Islam. For the non-Muslims, the alternative to this is to pay the humiliating protection money (Jizya tax) or be killed (by beheading, of course). A militarily dominant Islam, without doubt, precludes the peaceful co-existence with the unbelievers if the Muslims have to abide strictly by the unalterable stipulations of the Qur’an."

If they support Shari'ah, then this is part of who they are.

It is easy to select sentences from religious books and find actions of people in order to draw the conclusion that you want to draw.

1. Here are some peace passages from the Qur'an:

Fight in the Way of God against those who fight you, but do not go beyond the limits. God does not love those who go beyond the limits. (Surat al-Baqara: 190)

You who believe! Show integrity for the sake of God, bearing witness with justice. Do not let hatred for a people incite you into not being just. Be just. That is closer to heedfulness. Heed God (alone). God is aware of what you do. (Surat al-Ma'ida: 8)

You will find the people most affectionate to those who believe are those who say, 'We are Christians.' That is because some of them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant. (Surat al-Ma'ida, 82)

There is no compulsion in religion. Right guidance has become clearly distinct from error. Anyone who rejects false gods and believes in God has grasped the Firmest Handhold, which will never give way. God is All-Hearing, All-Knowing. (Surat al-Baqara: 256)

So remind, you need only to remind. You cannot compel them to believe. (Surat al-Ghashiyah: 22)

2. There are Muslim people and Islamic charities that do good things. Read about Islamic Relief USA or “Life for Relief”.

Life for Relief and Development: Home

Islamic Relief USA - Home

Now, let’s assume that I have a prejudice/bias against Christianity. I can do some selective observation of actual self-professed Christians and the evils that they do. (See the links that I presented.) I can also ignore peace passages from the Bible. I can focus on Biblical passages that can be interpreted to imply that God condones violence.

I say to you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. As for my enemies who do not want me to reign over them, bring them here and kill them in my presence" (Luke 19:26-27).
"Do not think that I have come to send peace on Earth. I did not come to send peace, but a sword. I am sent to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law" (Matthew 10:34-35).

This is such an old divisive game that we play.

 

[Kalam]

Different standards? How do you apply the same standards to people that "try" to avoid killing civilians, and if possible take the fight away from civilians to people that purposely use civilians as 'shield' knowing it will result in civilian deaths?

When one group kills hundreds of civilians in a few weeks, do you not stop and question whether they actually take the precautions they claim to take?

Or, like most unthinking Zionists, do you baselessly attribute all Palestian civilian casualties to "human shields" in an attempt to rationalize Israel's indiscriminate slaughter?

The question, how do you equate a half dozen 'isolated' incidents to a campaign of terror that is practiced daily throughout the world?

There is nothing isolated about Israel's campaign of terror. People simply refuse to recognize it for what it is because it's being perpetrated directly by a nation rather than through small, disorganized bands of guerrillas.

Where are people declaring war on muslims?

Gaza, Chechnya, Xinjiang, Iraq, Afghanistan...

Where are countries declaring war against muslim countries, because they disagree with the governments?

Gaza, Afghanistan, Chechnya...

(the USA attacked after being attacked)

You attacked a country that was partially affiliated with the perpetrators and one that had nothing to do with them at all. Neither country had any involvements in the 9/11 attacks and you've now failed to capture or kill your primary target for about 10 years. Mission: Accomplished!

The Palestinians are at war? Why don't they openly declare it, instead of living off western money (provided by the UN), in 'camps'? Why don't they get on with it?

Other than the puppet PA government, which Palestinian militant group isn't openly hostile toward Israel?

The question was where are the muslim GOVERNMENTS (in case you missed that the first time), protesting and denouncing the acts of terror?

You're grasping at straws.

As for the other link, sorry that was creepy, like a giant Charles Manson party. What was that thing in the middle? It looked like they were worshipping it.

That's my signature, dumbass; it wasn't part of the post.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

You know, I kind of think a discussion quite similar to this was occurring 70 odd years ago in Germany and instead of Muslims it was Jews.

Jews were going around blowing themselves up in the name of Zionism? Other Jews were refusing to condemn them for this, and were actually secretly supporting them? Meanwhile, most of the Germans were defending Judaism as a religion of peace?

I must have missed that in my history books.

No, Muslims aren't being sent into concentration camps like the Jews were, well at least not here in America, they kind of do that well enough on their own in their countries... they keep themselves extremely poor and live in extremely poor conditions.

They keep themselves poor? Why is this my responsibility?

BTW, Jews were generally well off, which fueled the resentment against them.

Anyway, although I don't entirely trust Muslims, I don't discriminate against them. I don't believe they're all anti-american. I believe there are more White people in America who pretend they're pro-American and are really anti-american, than there are American Muslims who are anti-American.

You analogy was a total failure. The danger is coming from Muslims, not going toward them. There are more documented hate crimes against Jews than Muslims every year, despite the rhetoric about how we are mistreating Muslims by being intolerant.

I wonder why The Left is not decrying all the Jew bashing that occurs almost daily, could it be because most of it actually comes from that side of the political spectrum? That would mean they can sit back and feel superior by sneering at the right for its intolerance while actually being worse themselves.

Not that I am saying you are doing this. But perhaps you should take a better look at the world the way it really is, and not the way the media tells you it is.

 

[Zona]

I look at individuals , not groups.

I wish everyone would do this. Really.

Zona, I think he means porn.

I know, thats what I was talking about silly.

 

[eagleseven]

I trust the Muslims I know...particularly the ones that can bake.

The rest? Meh...I don't blindly trust anyone.

 

[Toro]

What a pathetic thread. Let me ask: Do you trust Christians? You have preachers that solicit prostitutes. There are those that are caught in adultery and using donations as hush-money for mistresses. You see leaders like Fred Phelps and his “God hates Fags” ilk. Take a look at the list:

List of Christian evangelist scandals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Then there are Christian terrorists.

Read about the Hutaree:

Hutaree - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Read about the Army of God:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_(USA)

Here is the section on Christian terrorism:

Christian terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you happen to be a Christian, perhaps I shouldn’t trust you. Have you ever heard of the fallacy of being guilty by association and the errors of gross generalization? Can’t we all just get along?

Study this and get back with me:

Association fallacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And let's not forget the Christians in Uganda who want to criminalize homosexuality, punishable by death.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

And let's not forget the Christians in Uganda who want to criminalize homosexuality, punishable by death.

They said they just want to be as popular with all the lefties as the Muslims who do it.

 

[hjmick]

...do you trust muslims?

Depends on the Muslim...

 

[eagleseven]

I trust this Muslim:

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I don't trust this Muslim:

 

[Avatar4321]

I look at individuals , not groups.

I wish everyone would do this. Really.

I do too.

Welcome to the conservative movement.

 

[Bigmo]

I see the muslims on TV whining about their "civil rights" being violated regarding the Obama Mosque near Ground-Zero. I can't help thinking about all the terror attacks and "near misses" from muslims since 9/11.

Lets take a poll on the trustworthiness of muslims. If we let them in are we stupid idealistic chumps? Is it the "stupid is as stupid does" scene, or "they aren't taking advantage of Constitutional Rights, they are good citizens?

A few beheadings, honor killings, and massacres aside.....do you trust muslims?

I think its a question of mass immigration and the lost of America's identity and ethnic make up. It has nothing to do with Muslims as Jewsih organization passed the 1965 immigration act with the goal of making America multi-cultural(as they felt safer that way) by forcing as much non White immigration to US as possible and its Hispanics who got the lion's share in terms of ethnic immigration into America not Muslims. They are about 3 per cent of US population with one or maybe two members of Congress.

But many Americans, especially Whites(European Americans) are not able to say anything about preserving America's Euro ethnic majority and culture. They will be labelled racist and bigots. The ADL and the mainstream media will be all over them even though other ethnic groups have organization that identifies with their own ethnicity. Thats not allowed for European Americans.

So they go and talk about Muslims since Islam has no ethnic identity and thus fair game. The reality is Muslims are a tiny minority with absolutely no influence in shaping American culture. But "conservatives" (not real conservatives but Neocons) want to use Muslims as a way to vent White racial anxiety against their future and their culture towards Muslims who have no real effect in American society. Muslims are not part of the hostile anti traditional America ruling elite.

It was not a Muslim who replaced the last Euro protestant from the US supreme court. No WASP allowed now.

Only when European Americans get some real balls and start demanding respect for their culture will change happen. Other wise we are heading for a revolution. And it could get bloody.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

I trust the Muslims I know...particularly the ones that can bake.

The rest? Meh...I don't blindly trust anyone.

Shop-owners sold chocolate cake sprinkled with human faeces | Mail Online

 

[Hister]

I look at individuals , not groups.

I wish everyone would do this. Really.

I do too.

Welcome to the conservative movement.

WHAT? Conservatives treat people as individuals? I guess they must have decided one by one that homos are going to hell.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I wish everyone would do this. Really.

I do too.

Welcome to the conservative movement.

WHAT? Conservatives treat people as individuals? I guess they must have decided one by one that homos are going to hell.

Conservatives keep trying to believe liberals are intelligent, but every individual liberal works so hard to prove them wrong. Despite this, they insist on treating you as individuals, which is why I am not a conservative.

 

[eagleseven]

I trust the Muslims I know...particularly the ones that can bake.

The rest? Meh...I don't blindly trust anyone.

Shop-owners sold chocolate cake sprinkled with human faeces | Mail Online

 

[Kalam]

I trust the Muslims I know...particularly the ones that can bake.

The rest? Meh...I don't blindly trust anyone.

Shop-owners sold chocolate cake sprinkled with human faeces | Mail Online

Clearly they found their motivation in the Qur'an.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Shop-owners sold chocolate cake sprinkled with human faeces | Mail Online

Clearly they found their motivation in the Qur'an.

Thanks for admitting it.