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I definately believe in the great flood, so Noah's ark has merit with me....maybe i don't understand in detail all that is in the Bible story of it, or all that is in the various great flood myths throughtout the world or the Atlantis myth, but arcaeologists are finding that there was a great flood, and geneticists are saying there was a bottle neck with our DNA tracings that could support a great flood.
The story of Noah's ark has always stood out to me as one of those stories in the bible, that only proves how inaccurate the bible is. Do Christians really believe this part of the bible, Are these just made up stories that were only meant to have a moral significance, and not to be taken literally?[unquote].
I believe in the moral teaching of the Deluge as rendered in the Bible. I quote from the Catholic Dictionary of the Bible because it concisely summarizes my belief and that of many other (but not all) Christians and Jews.
"The deluge story is an extremely clear example of how the Hebrews could take popular traditions of other people, often almost entirely devoid of historical value. and retell them in such a way as to present important theological conceptions through them here, divine justice and providence , the security and stability of nature resting on the assured good will of God to mankind in spite of he evil inclinations of man's heart." [unquote]
Regarding the Ark of the Covenant, that's easier. It's in a big wooden box in a government warehouse on the east coast of the US.
Regards,
Pat
I believe in it, always have.
Care to watch the video and comment on it? You responded 2 minutes after it posted, and the video is 8 minutes long. Not that you have to watch it, but i was curious what people thought about Joes comments, and what the archeoligist has to say about finding the ark. After watching the video, is your faith only reinforced by this discovery of the boat, or is it possible youve been wrong about it all along? I highly doubt anyone is going to have a big change of heart, but you never know.
The heart pumps blood, and any thoughts or emotions humans have come from the brain. Not sure what your point is there, and im not trying to be a smart ass. It seemed like you were making a comparison of faith and love and how they cant be proven, but love can be proven in most situations when you are talking about peoples children. You wont be able to convince me that theres a galactic overlord named Xenu, but you can convince me that you love your children, because its not a stretch to believe it.
Well....I think the difference is that....some might believe these "feelings" stem from the soul (figurative heart).....not the brain. So....if you dont believe you have a soul , or that people posses souls....then you cant believe in faith.
If you were correct about emotions coming from the soul, then people with severe brain damage would still laugh, cry, get scared, get excited, etc. all at the right time. Meaning, if they are watching a person get eaten alive by lions and they are laughing with a glazed look in their eyes, obviously your emotions have become damaged from your severe brain injury. Emotions do NOT come from the soul.
Well....I think the difference is that....some might believe these "feelings" stem from the soul (figurative heart).....not the brain. So....if you dont believe you have a soul , or that people posses souls....then you cant believe in faith.
If you were correct about emotions coming from the soul, then people with severe brain damage would still laugh, cry, get scared, get excited, etc. all at the right time. Meaning, if they are watching a person get eaten alive by lions and they are laughing with a glazed look in their eyes, obviously your emotions have become damaged from your severe brain injury. Emotions do NOT come from the soul.
If you need hard proof look up near death experiences. How about that woman a few months ago that was dead for 17 hours!
If you were correct about emotions coming from the soul, then people with severe brain damage would still laugh, cry, get scared, get excited, etc. all at the right time. Meaning, if they are watching a person get eaten alive by lions and they are laughing with a glazed look in their eyes, obviously your emotions have become damaged from your severe brain injury. Emotions do NOT come from the soul.
If you need hard proof look up near death experiences. How about that woman a few months ago that was dead for 17 hours!
Dead for 17 hours? Got a link to that story?
The story of Noahs ark has always stood out to me as one of those stories in the bible, that only proves how innacurate the bible is. Do christians really believe this part of the bible, and if you dont, can you believe in men who part the sea, or people who can come back from the dead? Are these just made up stories that were only meant to have a moral significance, and not to be taken literally?
Well....I think the difference is that....some might believe these "feelings" stem from the soul (figurative heart).....not the brain. So....if you dont believe you have a soul , or that people posses souls....then you cant believe in faith.
If you were correct about emotions coming from the soul, then people with severe brain damage would still laugh, cry, get scared, get excited, etc. all at the right time. Meaning, if they are watching a person get eaten alive by lions and they are laughing with a glazed look in their eyes, obviously your emotions have become damaged from your severe brain injury. Emotions do NOT come from the soul.
If you need hard proof look up near death experiences. How about that woman a few months ago that was dead for 17 hours!
If you need hard proof look up near death experiences. How about that woman a few months ago that was dead for 17 hours!
Dead for 17 hours? Got a link to that story?
Woman Wakes Up After Family Says Goodbye, Tubes Pulled - Health News Story - WEWS Cleveland
Dead for 17 hours? Got a link to that story?
Woman Wakes Up After Family Says Goodbye, Tubes Pulled - Health News Story - WEWS Cleveland
She was "clinically dead". That is not dead and I do not believe for a second that rigor mortis had set in and she was able to be revived - rigor mortis is caused by the lack of oxygen and when that sets in, the tissue is dead. Some of the other things reported about the experience came from her son who is not a doctor.
"All the ancient cultures" .... do NOT believe in great floods. This is the cry of the rationalist. As a matter of fact not all ancient legends and myths tell of flooding at all, though most have one or more (note the more) stories about floods you are talking about cultures that existed at different times to. Then there's the fact that if no one survived how is it other cultures would have the story at all? Since there is no evidence to support the story archeologically or historically someone made up this myth about "all ancient cultures" in a sorry attempt to rationalize this and many other beliefs. This is dishonest ... and is changing other cultures and their beliefs for your own selfish needs.
Fact is .... the flood is another myth in a book of myths, possibly base on a flood that occurs in that area periodically flooding the entire region (far from the whole world). Why do christians have to justify their beliefs by saying myths are fact even when it's obvious they are not?
Rev 1, October 6, 2004
Theory Supporting the Biblical Account of the Great Flood
James A. Marusek
(As published in the Cambridge-Conference Network (CCNet) , Issue 47/2003 of 29 May 2003))
Summary of Theory
A large comet or asteroid impact in a glacier ice sheet produced the Biblical Great Flood which brought the last Ice Age to an abrupt and sudden end.
Accounts of the Great Flood
A scientific approach might be to discount the Biblical account of the Great Flood as folklore or as a fairy tale. A religious interpretation might be to cloak oneself in dogma and discount science. Somewhere in between lies the true tale of one of the greatest cataclysms to ever befall mankind.
The Great Flood was a very unusual and singular event. Because of the magnitude of the destruction, it would have left an indelible and permanent mark on the minds of any survivors. This story would have been told and retold, passing down from generation to generation. And so it was. The story of the Great Flood is embedded in many cultures and beliefs. Over 600 of these stories throughout the entire world have been carried down to the present age.
I will rely upon 2 accounts, that given in the Bible (Book of Genesis) and the account given in Platos dialogues (Timaeus and Critias). These accounts record different frames of reference. They are complementary accounts and dovetail together fairly well. Both accounts describe:
A pre-flood civilization.
Gods decision to destroy mankind because of his wickedness.
The destruction of civilization by a Great Flood.
The suddenness of the cataclysm.
The extent of the destruction affecting the entire globe.
According to the Bible, a Pre-Flood civilization existed. The civilization had cities. They had divisions of labor (farmers, shepherds and livestock keepers, tentmakers, metalworkers, and musicians).
According to Plato, a Pre-Flood civilization existed. The civilizations had massive fleets and armies and large cities. They knew the art of writing. They had divisions of labor (artisans, husbandmen, warriors, carpenters, rulers, shipbuilders, stone quarry workers, metal workers, merchants, and sailors).
According to Plato, the Pre-Flood civilization existed in a great island nation in the Atlantic Ocean called Atlantis, and in distant nations around the Mediterranean (including a pre-Greek and a pre-Egyptian civilizations) and in Asia.
According to the Bible, the Earth was destroyed by a Great Flood when "All the fountains of the great deep burst open and the floodgates of the sky were opened and the rain fell upon the earth for forty days and forty nights." (Gen 7; 11, 12) This passage describes the sea level rising up at the same time torrents of rain fell from the sky.
According to Plato, the island of Atlantis and the distant Mediterranean civilizations were completely destroyed in a single day and night of violent earthquakes and floods. They disappeared into the depths of the sea. And according to Plato, the Great Flood occurred around 11,400 years ago. (The account records the event occurring 9000 years before Platos time. Platos dialogues were written around 360 BC) This would make the Pre-Flood civilization an Ice Age civilization.
According to the Bible, mankind was destroyed by a Great Flood. Noah and his family built a huge ship, an ark, out of wood sealed with pitch. They were saved when "the flood came upon the earth for forty days; and the water increased and lifted up the ark, so that it rose above the earth and the water prevailed and increased greatly upon the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water. And the water prevailed more and more upon the earth, so that all the high mountains everywhere under the heavens were covered." (Gen 7; 17-19). Noah floated in the ark for approximately 370 days.
According to Plato, few people survive the cataclysm. The only survivors dwelt in the mountains. They were herdsmen and shepherds. They were ignorant of the art of writing and had very little education.
Let's me see. You're using science to back the Bible story, Care? Isn't it just a matter of faith?
Some believe in creationism and God's interventions on this kind of level, some don't believe in God or his interventions.
Let's me see. You're using science to back the Bible story, Care? Isn't it just a matter of faith?
Some believe in creationism and God's interventions on this kind of level, some don't believe in God or his interventions.
i have no desire to convince any of you in the story of Noah, sky.....I believe it, that's all that matters.
what i believe, is that there was a great Deluge...a great flood....and i believe Science has not ruled a great deluge out....
this is something you should not fear, because you think it might give validity to the noah story of the bible....
you are welcomed to disregard the noah story and go with the Chinese version of their great worlwide flood or the iranean/iraqi version of their flood with Gilgamesh or whichever one of the 600 stories out there that you choose...
my point is NOT to try to convice you of a noah and all that he stood for...
my point IS that i believe there was a great flood, that there was an Atlantis, a highly intelligent society or societies that existed, and we were wiped out of that knowledge and began from almost scratch again....
that's all sky.
care
Let's me see. You're using science to back the Bible story, Care? Isn't it just a matter of faith?
Some believe in creationism and God's interventions on this kind of level, some don't believe in God or his interventions.
i have no desire to convince any of you in the story of Noah, sky.....I believe it, that's all that matters.
what i believe, is that there was a great Deluge...a great flood....and i believe Science has not ruled a great deluge out....
this is something you should not fear, because you think it might give validity to the noah story of the bible....
you are welcomed to disregard the noah story and go with the Chinese version of their great worlwide flood or the iranean/iraqi version of their flood with Gilgamesh or whichever one of the 600 stories out there that you choose...
my point is NOT to try to convice you of a noah and all that he stood for...
my point IS that i believe there was a great flood, that there was an Atlantis, a highly intelligent society or societies that existed, and we were wiped out of that knowledge and began from almost scratch again....
that's all sky.
care
There is evidence of a great flood. The rest of it--Atlantis and Noah's Ark--are great stories.
I like them both. If they help some people believe in God, and that makes them better people--it's fine with me.
Science and religion sometimes intersect. Physics and Buddhist meditation, for example, complement each other.