Do liberals like the idea of boot camp? Ideologically, it would seem to fit, right?

That all you can add?

Is boot camp not a perfect example of near total pure liberalism?

- Gun ban.
- Total equality in pay, shelter, food.
- Free healthcare.
- Green transportation.
- Total racial equality.
- Harsh and stifling government regulation of all aspects of daily life.
- Bans on bad foods.
- Bans on things that are bad for us.


Aside from the yelling and ban on gays, it's liberal utopia, right? Show me where I'm wrong.

You have no idea what "liberalism" is.

But it's not like we didn't know that already.
You are just upset because he is right. That is what they want, but do not want you to know it. Liberalism today is socialism. See I am not fooled, I am a constitutionalist, and the dimwits hate the constitution.
 
I hope everyone takes this thread serious, it's not a troll, and it's to truly try to help me understand the mind of libralism. I dont understand why liberals despise the idea military boot camp. In fact, military boot camp is the embodiment of almost all liberal utopian qualities. Let me explain:

Guns are banned: Only the government, aka drill sgts, have access to them. The recruits are NOT allowed to have them unless the gov't allows it. They are told when, where, what kind, and ammo is strictly regulated. No one can just have their own personal gun, and no guns anywhere in living and eating areas. Liberal dream.

Everyone is absolute economically equal: There is no rich person. No poor person. All persons are paid the same in boot camp. Everyone's house is exactly the same. Everyone's clothing is exactly the same. Everyone's food and gym and transportation is exactly absolutely EQUAL. Any additional benefit is strictly regulated by the gov't (drill sgts).

No fossil fuel for transportation: Here is a wonderful liberal dream. In boot camp, the citizens (recruits) RUN everywhere. The range, the gym, the sleeping quarters, the cafeteria. The greenest of green energy: running.

All races are equal: In the famous words of R. Lee Ermy in Full Metal Jacket: "There are no dikes, nigg**s, whops, greasers in my corp.........here you are all equally worthless". Liberals want nothing more than for all races to be totally equal. Here it is in it's purest form!

Bad foods are banned: Yep. No soda. No happy meals. The meals are bland, and everyone gets fed the exact same, regardless of race, gender, ethnicity or economic class (remember economic class doesn't exist here). In FMJ, Gunnery Sgt Hartman even told his folks "You wont find fried chicken or watermelon in my mess hall!!". Wonderful. He has banned the foods that are bad for them!!!

Equal education: Everyone gets the exact same education. 100%. In boot camp, every person will be taught as an equal to the other. No exception.

Free healthcare: Yes!!! Free gov't funded healthcare for all!!!! The liberal dream!!! It's here also.

And then I thought of the best one. I notice liberals want to ban or regulate anything the percieve as bad for us. And what is more bad for us than death, right? And then I remembered the other legendary USMC instruction: "YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DIE WITHOUT PERMISSION!"

Wow. The military is so good at banning what is bad for us, they have even banned dying without permission. Nancy Pelosi herself would be envious of this big gov't regulation!!!




So, I ask myself, why don't liberals advocate military style boot camp for society in general??? Is that not the closest representation to liberal utopia in our country?

Yea, the military is rife with collectivism, socialism and forced conformity...conservatives LOVE like the idea of boot camp. Ideologically, it is a perfect fit.

There is a big difference though.

Boot camp is voluntary. And yes, we support the military big time.

But boot camp is also an near pure example of modern liberalism collectivism, socialism, forced conformity with regulation. A liberal utopia.

Notice what it takes to make that happen though.

And imagine if that collectivism and socialism were involuntarily put upon the citizens of a nation. How would it be enforced and implemented?

The answer is why many fear the far left wing.

Here's your problem buc-o...liberals don't subscribe to the labels conservatives use to smear them with, and the real irony; conservatives thrive in the regimented environment where collectivism, socialism and forced conformity reign supreme...
 
Silly me, I always thought the military used boot camp because it works.

Who knew it had anything to do with political ideology?
 
That all you can add?

Is boot camp not a perfect example of near total pure liberalism?

- Gun ban.
- Total equality in pay, shelter, food.
- Free healthcare.
- Green transportation.
- Total racial equality.
- Harsh and stifling government regulation of all aspects of daily life.
- Bans on bad foods.
- Bans on things that are bad for us.


Aside from the yelling and ban on gays, it's liberal utopia, right? Show me where I'm wrong.

Well, consider this:

Conservatives by an overwhelming consensus revere, adore, in fact all but worship the military,

which would thus mean that conservatives are in love with an institution that is in fact an extremely accurate representation of Liberal Utopia.

(that was easy...give me a more difficult scenario that I can transform into making you look like a fucking imbecile).
 
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That all you can add?

Is boot camp not a perfect example of near total pure liberalism?

- Gun ban.
- Total equality in pay, shelter, food.
- Free healthcare.
- Green transportation.
- Total racial equality.
- Harsh and stifling government regulation of all aspects of daily life.
- Bans on bad foods.
- Bans on things that are bad for us.


Aside from the yelling and ban on gays, it's liberal utopia, right? Show me where I'm wrong.

You have no idea what "liberalism" is.

But it's not like we didn't know that already.
You are just upset because he is right. That is what they want, but do not want you to know it. Liberalism today is socialism. See I am not fooled, I am a constitutionalist, and the dimwits hate the constitution.

Of course I'm right, thats why all they are doing is making personal attacks, name calling, etc.

They know the dirty secret of modern liberalism is that it's ideals cannot be instituted without overwhelming authority to do it. Forceful authority. Just like boot camp, but for a whole society.

Thats why far left societies in the past, like those of Mao, Stalin, Che, Castro, Pol Pot, have eventually turned to dictatorship with martial law to enforce the social plans to make all people equal.

Far left policies are geared towards making society equal in healthcare, wealth, housing, food, etc, and banning anything bad for us. And when we find an example of a population of people who are brought to 100% equality in all walks of life, we see that it can ONLY be done through overwhelming authoritative force. Like in boot camp.

The lefties know this is true, but either are in denial b/c they are scared of that fact, or just dont want the secret out.:redface:
 
That all you can add?

Is boot camp not a perfect example of near total pure liberalism?

- Gun ban.
- Total equality in pay, shelter, food.
- Free healthcare.
- Green transportation.
- Total racial equality.
- Harsh and stifling government regulation of all aspects of daily life.
- Bans on bad foods.
- Bans on things that are bad for us.


Aside from the yelling and ban on gays, it's liberal utopia, right? Show me where I'm wrong.

Well, consider this:

Conservatives by an overwhelming consensus revere, adore, in fact all but worship the military,

which would thus mean that conservatives are in love with an institution that is in fact an extremely accurate representation of Liberal Utopia.

(that was easy...give me a more difficult scenario that I can transform into making you look like a fucking imbecile).

Well, football camp also practices those collective ideals. And we love football. See, I expected the far lefties to not comprehend the point of this thread. See my above post.

But boot camp, and football camp, are VOLUNTARY. Thats a big difference in a government forcing those ideals involuntarily upon a people.

The point is absolute far left equality can only be achieved through overwhelming authoritarian force. Squashing the ones who resist. It's why China, Russia, North Korea, Cuba, etc, etc, are the way they are in trying to force communist policies.

So when we see far left politicians creeping farther and farther left, starting class envy and class warfare, fostering the mindset that everyone deserves equality in all things..........well, it can be done, but only 1 way.
 
Silly me, I always thought the military used boot camp because it works.

Who knew it had anything to do with political ideology?

Oh, it does work, wonderfully. It doesn't have anything to do with politics. It's about forced collectivism. All people being absolute equal. Erasing the individual.

Which is very very similar to left wing politics. Erase the individual, instead focusing on collectivism, socialism. Equal pay, healthcare, shelter, food. Ban what is bad for us. Same ideals boot camp and football camp use.

And boot camp and football camp have both realized that total equality and collectivism can only be achieved through overwhelming authoritative force. So.....do we want politicians to eventually realize the same thing?
 
Silly me, I always thought the military used boot camp because it works.

Who knew it had anything to do with political ideology?

Oh, it does work, wonderfully. It doesn't have anything to do with politics. It's about forced collectivism. All people being absolute equal. Erasing the individual.

Which is very very similar to left wing politics. Erase the individual, instead focusing on collectivism, socialism. Equal pay, healthcare, shelter, food. Ban what is bad for us. Same ideals boot camp and football camp use.

And boot camp and football camp have both realized that total equality and collectivism can only be achieved through overwhelming authoritative force. So.....do we want politicians to eventually realize the same thing?

I have no idea about "we". But I want to keep laughing at the total strawman absurdity that is your idea of liberalism. So carry on! :clap2:
 
That all you can add?

Is boot camp not a perfect example of near total pure liberalism?

- Gun ban.
- Total equality in pay, shelter, food.
- Free healthcare.
- Green transportation.
- Total racial equality.
- Harsh and stifling government regulation of all aspects of daily life.
- Bans on bad foods.
- Bans on things that are bad for us.


Aside from the yelling and ban on gays, it's liberal utopia, right? Show me where I'm wrong.

And what of all the conservatives who told everyone they were unamerican and unpatriotic for opposing the invasion of Iraq over weapons that never existed? That sounds pretty militaristic to me too.
 
That all you can add?

Is boot camp not a perfect example of near total pure liberalism?

- Gun ban.
- Total equality in pay, shelter, food.
- Free healthcare.
- Green transportation.
- Total racial equality.
- Harsh and stifling government regulation of all aspects of daily life.
- Bans on bad foods.
- Bans on things that are bad for us.


Aside from the yelling and ban on gays, it's liberal utopia, right? Show me where I'm wrong.

You have no idea what "liberalism" is.

But it's not like we didn't know that already.
Bucs90 doesn't know boot camp is.
 
Silly me, I always thought the military used boot camp because it works.

Who knew it had anything to do with political ideology?

Oh, it does work, wonderfully. It doesn't have anything to do with politics. It's about forced collectivism. All people being absolute equal. Erasing the individual.

Which is very very similar to left wing politics. Erase the individual, instead focusing on collectivism, socialism. Equal pay, healthcare, shelter, food. Ban what is bad for us. Same ideals boot camp and football camp use.

And boot camp and football camp have both realized that total equality and collectivism can only be achieved through overwhelming authoritative force. So.....do we want politicians to eventually realize the same thing?

I have no idea about "we". But I want to keep laughing at the total strawman absurdity that is your idea of liberalism. So carry on! :clap2:

Ok, please do.

And also, provide me a BETTER example of what society would look like if we:

- Banned freedom to own guns
- Forced all to have gov't provided healthcare
- Forced all to earn exact equal wage
- Forced all to have equal access to clothing
- Forced all to have exact equal housing
- Forced all to have exact equal access to food
- Banned sodas and other "bad" foods
- Forced all races and ethnicities to be treated 100% equal in all aspects of life

I can go on and on. But if all people sold into the idea of far left policies, and we worked towards the goal of total equality, like modern liberalism is defined.........can you show me a better example of what it may look like?

Far left policies can only be carried out by overwhelming authority.
 
Oh, it does work, wonderfully. It doesn't have anything to do with politics. It's about forced collectivism. All people being absolute equal. Erasing the individual.

Which is very very similar to left wing politics. Erase the individual, instead focusing on collectivism, socialism. Equal pay, healthcare, shelter, food. Ban what is bad for us. Same ideals boot camp and football camp use.

And boot camp and football camp have both realized that total equality and collectivism can only be achieved through overwhelming authoritative force. So.....do we want politicians to eventually realize the same thing?

I have no idea about "we". But I want to keep laughing at the total strawman absurdity that is your idea of liberalism. So carry on! :clap2:

Ok, please do.

And also, provide me a BETTER example of what society would look like if we:

- Banned freedom to own guns
- Forced all to have gov't provided healthcare
- Forced all to earn exact equal wage
- Forced all to have equal access to clothing
- Forced all to have exact equal housing
- Forced all to have exact equal access to food
- Banned sodas and other "bad" foods
- Forced all races and ethnicities to be treated 100% equal in all aspects of life

I can go on and on. But if all people sold into the idea of far left policies, and we worked towards the goal of total equality, like modern liberalism is defined.........can you show me a better example of what it may look like?

Far left policies can only be carried out by overwhelming authority.

Arent higher ranks paid more?
 
That all you can add?

Is boot camp not a perfect example of near total pure liberalism?

- Gun ban.
- Total equality in pay, shelter, food.
- Free healthcare.
- Green transportation.
- Total racial equality.
- Harsh and stifling government regulation of all aspects of daily life.
- Bans on bad foods.
- Bans on things that are bad for us.


Aside from the yelling and ban on gays, it's liberal utopia, right? Show me where I'm wrong.

And what of all the conservatives who told everyone they were unamerican and unpatriotic for opposing the invasion of Iraq over weapons that never existed? That sounds pretty militaristic to me too.

WOW:eek:

The "NO WMDS IN IRAQ" sniper has hit again!!! That topic can just come into a thread from out of nowhere! Awesome!

But since you brought it up, yeah, Bush was fooled, as were all of us. But you know who else was? The generals of the Iraqi Army. Yep. The Iraqi generals were informed by Saddam on the eve of the invasion that they would not have access to WMDs b/c he shipped them out. Ooops. Would be kind of hard to expect Americans to know there were no WMD's when the Iraqi generals, on the eve of the invasion, thought there :eusa_whistle:were:eusa_whistle:
 
I have no idea about "we". But I want to keep laughing at the total strawman absurdity that is your idea of liberalism. So carry on! :clap2:

Ok, please do.

And also, provide me a BETTER example of what society would look like if we:

- Banned freedom to own guns
- Forced all to have gov't provided healthcare
- Forced all to earn exact equal wage
- Forced all to have equal access to clothing
- Forced all to have exact equal housing
- Forced all to have exact equal access to food
- Banned sodas and other "bad" foods
- Forced all races and ethnicities to be treated 100% equal in all aspects of life

I can go on and on. But if all people sold into the idea of far left policies, and we worked towards the goal of total equality, like modern liberalism is defined.........can you show me a better example of what it may look like?

Far left policies can only be carried out by overwhelming authority.

Arent higher ranks paid more?

Not in boot camp. Everyone is a new recruit.

After boot, yeah, your rank determines pay. But boot camp is all about absolute equality.
 
One, not everyone believed that WMDs existed in Iraq.

Two, you cannot vet the made up story that SH supposedly shipped out the stuff before the invasion.

Third, you obviously have never been to boot camp.

Fourth, your trollin.
 
Ok, please do.

And also, provide me a BETTER example of what society would look like if we:

- Banned freedom to own guns
- Forced all to have gov't provided healthcare
- Forced all to earn exact equal wage
- Forced all to have equal access to clothing
- Forced all to have exact equal housing
- Forced all to have exact equal access to food
- Banned sodas and other "bad" foods
- Forced all races and ethnicities to be treated 100% equal in all aspects of life

I can go on and on. But if all people sold into the idea of far left policies, and we worked towards the goal of total equality, like modern liberalism is defined.........can you show me a better example of what it may look like?

Far left policies can only be carried out by overwhelming authority.

Arent higher ranks paid more?

Not in boot camp. Everyone is a new recruit.

After boot, yeah, your rank determines pay. But boot camp is all about absolute equality.

What about the drill sergeant?
 
One, not everyone believed that WMDs existed in Iraq.

Two, you cannot vet the made up story that SH supposedly shipped out the stuff before the invasion.

Third, you obviously have never been to boot camp.

Fourth, your trollin.

1- you're right. But overwhelming evidence suggested he did. Remember, he used them on his own people. He kicked inspectors out for years and years. His generals thought they had them.

2- I'm not vetting it. Read the writings of his own generals who sought asylum in the US. It's their words, not mine. The left acts like those generals dont exist.

3- How do you know I haven't?

4- Is trolling also used as a term to describe an idea or point that the opposition can't find a rational counter-argument to? If so, yeah, I'm doing that.
 

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