Zone1 Do billionaires make our lives better?

If they pay their taxes fairly and employ people/put their money to good use they certainly do.
When we come up with a consensus on “paying their taxes fairly”, we can assess billionaires. Right now, we get caught up in a debate about the percentage of income billionaires pay compared to the middle and lower class vs. the actual dollar amount they pay and how much of the tax budget they account.

The debate goes nowhere accept to a class war debate.
 
More like 90% of federal income taxes paid.
1 percent pays 42% of all fed taxes......liberals hate this one...................................i said what, 35...lolol....even higher.......i was wrong...lol

 
When we come up with a consensus on “paying their taxes fairly”, we can assess billionaires. Right now, we get caught up in a debate about the percentage of income billionaires pay compared to the middle and lower class vs. the actual dollar amount they pay and how much of the tax budget they account.

The debate goes nowhere accept to a class war debate.
what i propose, is that everyone who turns 55 has their lifetime earnings audited.....then we figure out net tax paid

then the status of tax payer and tax eater is established.......higher net people should be genuflected to in public by the tax eater..to shame the tax eater to get their tax worth up and realize they would starve without the tax payer
 

Unlike their forebears, contemporary billionaires do not hope to build the biggest house in town, but the biggest colony on the moon. In contrast, however avaricious, the titans of past gilded eras still saw themselves as human members of civil society. Contemporary billionaires appear to understand civics and civilians as impediments to their progress, necessary victims of the externalities of their companies’ growth, sad artefacts of the civilisation they will leave behind in their inexorable colonisation of the next dimension. Unlike their forebears, they do not hope to build the biggest house in town, but the biggest underground lair in New Zealand, colony on the moon or Mars or virtual reality server in the cloud.

Mr Carnegie actually built Wrexham Library. He also built Coedpoeth Library a couple of mile down the road. He may have been an absolute shit of a man but he was recognisably a member of the human race.

Todays megarich seem to spend their money on insulating themselves from the world rather than helping o improve it.

While Bezos flies to the moon. or tries to, his staff are striking for a living wage so that they can feed themselves and keep a roof over their head. His business model is based on killing the opposition by using debt to undercut his rivals.And taxpayers pay for him to do so by giving him tax breaks and grants to open his sweatshops in our towns.

In fact all of these people have benefitted from lax taxation regimes and feeble legislation.Society pays a lot more than just a financial cost. Wages are depressed as Apple makes its phones in countries where the people assembling the products could never afford one.Its exploitation.

There will never be a British or American phone maker because Apple have priced them out of the market.Exploiting overseas workers in order to bypass the workers in their core markets. Jobs never presented that at his cult meetings.

That is globalism.

Starbucks in the UK is structured to avoid UK taxation.The whole enterprise is a tax dodge. And yet you cannot avoid a starbucks in the UK.They close down smaller traders not with a better product. They do it with the financial might that they have. A power not available to smaller local competitors.

And on top of that they do not contribute to the country they trade in. They trade off our roads and utilities.police protection, education and a host of other benefits.

This is why our governments are always short of money and our infrastructure is crumbling.
We should stop subsidising these bandits and start taxing them properly. They are sucking the life out of society.

It wasnt always like this. My taid worked for over 30 yeasr for an American company Monsanto.They might have a dubious environmental record but they were a bloody good employer.

They paid their staff well and paid a generous pension. The modern billionaire class go on joy rides into space.
Richard Wolff argues billionaires make democracy incompatible with the class-divided economic systems that produce their vast, private fortunes:

Socialism’s Self-Criticism and Real Democracy

"Democracy is incompatible with class-divided economic systems.

"Masters rule in slavery, lords in feudalism, and employers in capitalism.

"Whatever forms of government (including representative-electoral) coexist with class-divided economic systems, the hard reality is that one class rules the other.

"The revolutionaries who overthrew other systems to establish capitalism sometimes meant and intended to install a real democracy, but that did not happen."
 
Richard Wolff argues billionaires make democracy incompatible with the class-divided economic systems that produce their vast, private fortunes:

Socialism’s Self-Criticism and Real Democracy

"Democracy is incompatible with class-divided economic systems.

"Masters rule in slavery, lords in feudalism, and employers in capitalism.

"Whatever forms of government (including representative-electoral) coexist with class-divided economic systems, the hard reality is that one class rules the other.

"The revolutionaries who overthrew other systems to establish capitalism sometimes meant and intended to install a real democracy, but that did not happen."

Yeah, but he's a whiny commie, what does he know?
 
Richard Wolff argues billionaires make democracy incompatible with the class-divided economic systems that produce their vast, private fortunes:

Socialism’s Self-Criticism and Real Democracy

"Democracy is incompatible with class-divided economic systems.

"Masters rule in slavery, lords in feudalism, and employers in capitalism.

"Whatever forms of government (including representative-electoral) coexist with class-divided economic systems, the hard reality is that one class rules the other.

"The revolutionaries who overthrew other systems to establish capitalism sometimes meant and intended to install a real democracy, but that did not happen."
Employers don't rule anyone. But I do like to see them struggle to find workers.
 
Employers don't rule anyone. But I do like to see them struggle to find workers.
Professor Wolff argues employers or the owners of the means of production comprise 1% to 3% of the total population, yet they determine what to produce, where to produce it, and how to distribute any surplus.

That gives employers substantial leverage over employees before you factor in the political influence employers' bribes buy every two years in the US. All of which reveal the tenuous connections between democracy and capitalism:

Socialism’s Self-Criticism and Real Democracy

"Employers and employees are, together, defined by a specific class structure.

"They are its poles, the two possible positions individuals hold in production.

"They emerged with capitalism out of the disintegrations of previous systems.

"Such prior systems included (1) feudalism and its economic structure’s two positions of lord and serf, and (2) slavery and its economic structure’s two positions of master and slave.

"Because masters, lords, and employers are usually few relative to the numbers of slaves, serfs, and employees, and because they live off the surplus extracted from those slaves, serfs, and employees, they cannot allow a real democracy as it would directly threaten their class positions and privileges."
 
Professor Wolff argues employers or the owners of the means of production comprise 1% to 3% of the total population, yet they determine what to produce, where to produce it, and how to distribute any surplus.

That gives employers substantial leverage over employees before you factor in the political influence employers' bribes buy every two years in the US. All of which reveal the tenuous connections between democracy and capitalism:

Socialism’s Self-Criticism and Real Democracy

"Employers and employees are, together, defined by a specific class structure.

"They are its poles, the two possible positions individuals hold in production.

"They emerged with capitalism out of the disintegrations of previous systems.

"Such prior systems included (1) feudalism and its economic structure’s two positions of lord and serf, and (2) slavery and its economic structure’s two positions of master and slave.

"Because masters, lords, and employers are usually few relative to the numbers of slaves, serfs, and employees, and because they live off the surplus extracted from those slaves, serfs, and employees, they cannot allow a real democracy as it would directly threaten their class positions and privileges."

Professor Wolff argues employers or the owners of the means of production comprise 1% to 3% of the total population, yet they determine what to produce, where to produce it, and how to distribute any surplus.

I guess they could ask idiots like you to determine what to produce, where to produce it, and how to distribute any surplus. But then they'd be stupid like you.
 

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