Do atheists believe that everything in life must be perfect for a Creator to exist?

[Asclepias]

Neither do I.

Although it is funny that that is probably the only thing that would convince you that there is a Creator.

Thanks for agreeing with me that it is not logical for Taz to believe that everything in life must be perfect for a Creator to exist.

Who created the creator?

That question is based on a false assumption, and shows a total misunderstanding of what God is. God is the uncaused First Cause. God is eternal.

You are correct....GOD is the Uncaused, the First Cause.

Can you prove that statement?

That's call Faith....for me at least.

Neither do I.

Although it is funny that that is probably the only thing that would convince you that there is a Creator.

Thanks for agreeing with me that it is not logical for Taz to believe that everything in life must be perfect for a Creator to exist.

Who created the creator?

That question is based on a false assumption, and shows a total misunderstanding of what God is. God is the uncaused First Cause. God is eternal.

You are correct....GOD is the Uncaused, the First Cause.

Can you prove that statement?

I can not "prove" Something bigger than myself..... however I know It Exists. I have no doubt in my heart and mind.

That's my personal opinion.

I agree. You cant prove it. You just know it but that doesnt fulfill the requirement. I have faith there is a creator but I dont think whoever it is cares if I kill someone or lusts after my neighbors wife.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

No

Just that a magic fairy who makes everything is silly

That doesn't seem to be their argument.

Wrong, it’s your strawman fallacy.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Do you believe it is logical to believe that everything in life must be perfect for a creator to exist?

No

I just don't believe in magic

Neither do I.

Although it is funny that that is probably the only thing that would convince you that there is a Creator.

Thanks for agreeing with me that it is not logical for Taz to believe that everything in life must be perfect for a Creator to exist.

Who created the creator?

And the creator of the creator of the creator.

The fact is that religion and ‘god’ are creations of man – the product of man’s ignorance and fear, and his desire to control, to compel conformity, and punish dissent.

 

[buttercup]

Who created the creator?

That question is based on a false assumption, and shows a total misunderstanding of what God is. God is the uncaused First Cause. God is eternal.

You are correct....GOD is the Uncaused, the First Cause.

Can you prove that statement?

That's call Faith....for me at least.

Who created the creator?

That question is based on a false assumption, and shows a total misunderstanding of what God is. God is the uncaused First Cause. God is eternal.

You are correct....GOD is the Uncaused, the First Cause.

Can you prove that statement?

I can not "prove" Something bigger than myself..... however I know It Exists. I have no doubt in my heart and mind.

That's my personal opinion.

I agree. You cant prove it. You just know it but that doesnt fulfill the requirement. I have faith there is a creator but I dont think whoever it is cares if I kill someone or lusts after my neighbors wife.

Are you a deist?

 

[Asclepias]

That question is based on a false assumption, and shows a total misunderstanding of what God is. God is the uncaused First Cause. God is eternal.

You are correct....GOD is the Uncaused, the First Cause.

Can you prove that statement?

That's call Faith....for me at least.

That question is based on a false assumption, and shows a total misunderstanding of what God is. God is the uncaused First Cause. God is eternal.

You are correct....GOD is the Uncaused, the First Cause.

Can you prove that statement?

I can not "prove" Something bigger than myself..... however I know It Exists. I have no doubt in my heart and mind.

That's my personal opinion.

I agree. You cant prove it. You just know it but that doesnt fulfill the requirement. I have faith there is a creator but I dont think whoever it is cares if I kill someone or lusts after my neighbors wife.

Are you a deist?

Nope. Deist believe in only one god. I believe what one would call god has a creator as well.

 

[buttercup]

You are correct....GOD is the Uncaused, the First Cause.

Can you prove that statement?

That's call Faith....for me at least.

You are correct....GOD is the Uncaused, the First Cause.

Can you prove that statement?

I can not "prove" Something bigger than myself..... however I know It Exists. I have no doubt in my heart and mind.

That's my personal opinion.

I agree. You cant prove it. You just know it but that doesnt fulfill the requirement. I have faith there is a creator but I dont think whoever it is cares if I kill someone or lusts after my neighbors wife.

Are you a deist?

Nope. Deist believe in only one god. I believe what one would call god has a creator as well.

Well apparently you have a different definition of God. To me, if something is created then it can’t be God, the Creator. I know that the word “god” is sometimes used to describe powerful beings, like how in ancient times fallen angels (what some of you here think are aliens) were thought of as “gods.” But they still were created beings.

I am still not sure what you believe, but anyway...

 

[harmonica]

also--atheist is a ridiculous ''idea''
there is no god---so I don't ''don't believe in god''---
there is just no god

Unless you’re omniscient, your statement is the height of arrogance and foolishness. And if you were omniscient, then you would be God, which would make your statement self-defeating.

what's foolish is believing in fairytales, as you do

 

[harmonica]

also--atheist is a ridiculous ''idea''
there is no god---so I don't ''don't believe in god''---
there is just no god

What is so hard to understand?

We just don't buy the fairy tales

Ignorant statement. And kind of funny, since you’re the one who believes that everything in existence, all that is seen and unseen, including the order, beauty, complexity and everything there is just happened to create itself by dumb luck. Now THAT is magic.

But you sure do have a lot of faith, I’m impressed!

you have no facts to back up anything you say
....you are like a lawyer in a court room reading out of an old telephone book--just babbling crap..babbling and babbling trying to prove what CANNOT be proved

 

[frigidweirdo]

Do atheists believe that everything in life must be perfect for a Creator to exist?

I kind of think they do believe that. What do you say?

I'm not atheist, but I also think the chances of a god existing are slim to non-existent.

Arguments for god existing range from "it says so in the Bible, therefore it must be true" to "things can't appear out of nowhere, which is why I think God appeared out of nowhere".

 

[BreezeWood]

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an explanation for life and from whence beings come from has to be settled, the metaphysical to make the determination on what is or are the creator's .... there is an Almighty that is responsible for the completion that did result to produce physiology and life.

 

[ding]

No

Just that a magic fairy who makes everything is silly

That doesn't seem to be their argument.

Oh. Care to show an atheist's argument?

Just read anything Taz has written in the past month or so.

 

[ding]

Do atheists believe that everything in life must be perfect for a Creator to exist?

I kind of think they do believe that. What do you say?

I'm not atheist, but I also think the chances of a god existing are slim to non-existent.

Arguments for god existing range from "it says so in the Bible, therefore it must be true" to "things can't appear out of nowhere, which is why I think God appeared out of nowhere".

That wasn't the question though.

 

[ding]

Ignorant statement. And kind of funny, since you’re [Rightwinger] the one who believes that everything in existence, all that is seen and unseen, including the order, beauty, complexity and everything there is just happened to create itself by dumb luck. Now THAT is magic.

If you didn't have straw men small enough to beat up you'd have nothing

Arguing that God doesn't exist because the world is imperfect is a straw man argument.

 

[Asclepias]

Can you prove that statement?

That's call Faith....for me at least.

Can you prove that statement?

I can not "prove" Something bigger than myself..... however I know It Exists. I have no doubt in my heart and mind.

That's my personal opinion.

I agree. You cant prove it. You just know it but that doesnt fulfill the requirement. I have faith there is a creator but I dont think whoever it is cares if I kill someone or lusts after my neighbors wife.

Are you a deist?

Nope. Deist believe in only one god. I believe what one would call god has a creator as well.

Well apparently you have a different definition of God. To me, if something is created then it can’t be God, the Creator. I know that the word “god” is sometimes used to describe powerful beings, like how in ancient times fallen angels (what some of you here think are aliens) were thought of as “gods.” But they still were created beings.

I am still not sure what you believe, but anyway...

Take AI for instance. Humans created it. Are we now gods or at least the people that actually worked on it? I believe we were created just like AI was created.

 

[ding]

That's call Faith....for me at least.
I can not "prove" Something bigger than myself..... however I know It Exists. I have no doubt in my heart and mind.

That's my personal opinion.

I agree. You cant prove it. You just know it but that doesnt fulfill the requirement. I have faith there is a creator but I dont think whoever it is cares if I kill someone or lusts after my neighbors wife.

Are you a deist?

Nope. Deist believe in only one god. I believe what one would call god has a creator as well.

Well apparently you have a different definition of God. To me, if something is created then it can’t be God, the Creator. I know that the word “god” is sometimes used to describe powerful beings, like how in ancient times fallen angels (what some of you here think are aliens) were thought of as “gods.” But they still were created beings.

I am still not sure what you believe, but anyway...

Take AI for instance. Humans created it. Are we now gods or at least the people that actually worked on it? I believe we were created just like AI was created.

There is little doubt that space and time were created. We are a byproduct of that creation.

 

[BreezeWood]

I agree. You cant prove it. You just know it but that doesnt fulfill the requirement. I have faith there is a creator but I dont think whoever it is cares if I kill someone or lusts after my neighbors wife.

Are you a deist?

Nope. Deist believe in only one god. I believe what one would call god has a creator as well.

Well apparently you have a different definition of God. To me, if something is created then it can’t be God, the Creator. I know that the word “god” is sometimes used to describe powerful beings, like how in ancient times fallen angels (what some of you here think are aliens) were thought of as “gods.” But they still were created beings.

I am still not sure what you believe, but anyway...

Take AI for instance. Humans created it. Are we now gods or at least the people that actually worked on it? I believe we were created just like AI was created.

There is little doubt that space and time were created. We are a byproduct of that creation.

.

There is little doubt that space and time were created. We are a byproduct of that creation.

We are a byproduct of that creation ...

who's we - and how was there ever not space.

that is all beings from the initial template are unintended, how so ...

 

[MaryL]

Do atheists believe that everything in life must be perfect for a Creator to exist?

I kind of think they do believe that. What do you say?

I don't understand why you make that connection between the two. It seems a silly question.

 

[rightwinger]

I agree. You cant prove it. You just know it but that doesnt fulfill the requirement. I have faith there is a creator but I dont think whoever it is cares if I kill someone or lusts after my neighbors wife.

Are you a deist?

Nope. Deist believe in only one god. I believe what one would call god has a creator as well.

Well apparently you have a different definition of God. To me, if something is created then it can’t be God, the Creator. I know that the word “god” is sometimes used to describe powerful beings, like how in ancient times fallen angels (what some of you here think are aliens) were thought of as “gods.” But they still were created beings.

I am still not sure what you believe, but anyway...

Take AI for instance. Humans created it. Are we now gods or at least the people that actually worked on it? I believe we were created just like AI was created.

There is little doubt that space and time were created. We are a byproduct of that creation.

You can't create either space or time
It just exists

 

[buttercup]

Do atheists believe that everything in life must be perfect for a Creator to exist?

I kind of think they do believe that. What do you say?

I don't understand why you make that connection between the two. It seems a silly question.

Ding answered that question earlier. This thread is in response to an atheist named Taz who always goes on and on about how the world should be perfect and there shouldn’t be evil if God is good, and I’ve actually heard many other atheists makes similar claims. That’s why he connected those two.

 

[MaryL]

Do atheists believe that everything in life must be perfect for a Creator to exist?

I kind of think they do believe that. What do you say?

I don't understand why you make that connection between the two. It seems a silly question.

Ding answered that question earlier. This thread is in response to an atheist named Taz who always goes on and on about how the world should be perfect and there shouldn’t be evil if God is good, and I’ve actually heard many other atheists makes similar claims. That’s why he connected those two.

Ok, thank you, that seems to make sense. But it leaves open many other questions.