DNC collusion with the Russians?

except that adoptions were said to be the topic from day 1. it got muddy after that cause the left can't make this clear. if it was clear people would see there's not much to it.


they denied it being about political dirt and claimed it was about "adoptions" like it was nothing.

in fact is was about obtaining political dirt, from government agents....


and it was ALSO about "adoptions" and that is A BIG DEAL, not flippantly "no big deal" just cuz it isn't about political dirt, because it was about quid pro quo relief from sanctions.


gawd, team trump and their apologists are truly dumber than dirt...
 
except that adoptions were said to be the topic from day 1. it got muddy after that cause the left can't make this clear. if it was clear people would see there's not much to it.


they denied it being about dirt and claimed it was about "adoptions" like it was nothing.

in fact is was about obtaining political dirt, from government agents....


and it was ALSO about "adoptions" and that is A BIG DEAL, not flippantly "no big deal" just cuz it isn't about political dirt, because it was about quid pro quo relief from sanctions.


team trump and their apologists are truly dumber than dirt...
Turned out there was no dirt from this meeting. And even if there were dirt, getting dirt is perfectly legal.
 
The law


The Magnitsky Act was signed by President Barack Obama in December 2012 as a retaliation against the human rights abuses suffered by Magnitsky. The law at first blocked 18 Russian government officials and businessmen from entering the United States, froze any assets held by U.S. banks and banned their future use of U.S. banking systems. The act was expanded in 2016, and now sanctions apply to 44 suspected human rights abusers worldwide.


Its official title is a mouthful — the Russia and Moldova Jackson-Vanik Repeal and Sergei Magnitsky Rule of Law Accountability Act of 2012. In most news stories and accounts, the shorthand is simply — the Magnitsky Act.


Bill Browder, an American hedge fund manager who hired Magnitsky for the corruption investigation that eventually led to his death, was a central figure in the bill's passage.


How does adoption factor in?


When pressed on the details of his meeting with a Kremlin-connected lawyer at Trump Tower in June 2016, Donald Trump Jr. appeared to downplay its significance by linking it to concerns over an issue that appears uncontroversial on its surface: adoption. But the barring of U.S. adoptions of Russian children is a flash point of tense diplomatic relations and tied directly to the Magnitsky Act.


Two weeks after Obama signed the Magnitsky Act, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a bill that blocked adoption of Russian children by parents in the United States. Russia then also imposed sanctions on Browder and found Magnitsky posthumously guilty of crimes.


Supporters of the bill at the time cited mistreatment of Russian children by adoptive U.S. parents as the reason for its passage. But it was widely viewed as a retaliatory act, and the issues have been linked since.


Trump Jr. said that despite assurances that Veselnitskaya would come bearing incriminating information about Hillary Clinton in their 2016 meeting, the topic quickly shifted to the Magnitsky Act and U.S. adoptions from Russia.


Analysis | The Magnitsky Act, explained
 
except that adoptions were said to be the topic from day 1. it got muddy after that cause the left can't make this clear. if it was clear people would see there's not much to it.

they denied it being about political dirt and claimed it was about "adoptions" like it was nothing.

in fact is was about obtaining political dirt, from government agents....

and it was ALSO about "adoptions" and that is A BIG DEAL, not flippantly "no big deal" just cuz it isn't about political dirt, because it was about quid pro quo relief from sanctions.

gawd, team trump and their apologists are truly dumber than dirt...
and they claimed that at the time so there is no revisionist history. and from what i recall this topic was brought up anyway, just not a major point. i've also never heard anyone deny it was about dirt. i've heard it's a crime for trump to do it but hillary can buy dirt all day long and farm it with a nuclear john deere and the left just doesn't give a shit.

so when you judge both sides equally, you have a point. when you forgive your side while demonizing the other - you get our jacked up world we have today.
 
except that adoptions were said to be the topic from day 1. it got muddy after that cause the left can't make this clear. if it was clear people would see there's not much to it.

they denied it being about political dirt and claimed it was about "adoptions" like it was nothing.

in fact is was about obtaining political dirt, from government agents....

and it was ALSO about "adoptions" and that is A BIG DEAL, not flippantly "no big deal" just cuz it isn't about political dirt, because it was about quid pro quo relief from sanctions.

gawd, team trump and their apologists are truly dumber than dirt...
and they claimed that at the time so there is no revisionist history. and from what i recall this topic was brought up anyway, just not a major point. i've also never heard anyone deny it was about dirt. i've heard it's a crime for trump to do it but hillary can buy dirt all day long and farm it with a nuclear john deere and the left just doesn't give a shit.

so when you judge both sides equally, you have a point. when you forgive your side while demonizing the other - you get our jacked up world we have today.
Apparently had the Trump campaign hired an operations research firm that coordinated through a British agent to get dirt from the Russian Lawyer, everything would be A-OK.
 
so when you judge both sides equally, you have a point. when you forgive your side while demonizing the other - you get our jacked up world we have today.



^ simpleton rubbish ignoring the LEGAL facts of the matter
 
Rinat Akhmetshin is a name we should have heard a lot of but we didn't. This guy seems to be in the middle of everything. He even has ties to Fusion GPS Sen. Chuck Grassley has accused Fusion GPS, which admits it was behind the Steele dossier, of being an unregistered Russian agent because of its work with the Russians lobbying against Magnitsky, including Akhmetshin and Veselnitskaya.

Rinat Akhmetshin: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

Was the Trump dossier written by a Russian? Perhaps Rinat Akhmetshin.

The Trump Dossier Is Fake -- And Here Are The Reasons Why

In any case I think it is clear that Rinat Akhmetshin should be getting some serious news media attention. There are only two possibilities, he is working for the CIA or he is a Russian spy sent to help half the country take down Trump.

Either way, the Left wing media has not interest, nor does the Left winged Federal government.


If the Media had the REAL INTEREST in Russia tampering in our elections to look into ALL aspects of it, by the time they were done investigating all connections with the Obama people, they'd have no time left to worry about Trump. It was Obama that dismissed Russia in 2012, then went on to do NOTHING about them right through 2016. In 2016 when the election was taking place, Trump was just an unpopular candidate then, with big hands.
Still remember Obama's statement "After the election I will be able to be more flexible".? Gee wonder what he met
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by that.
 
OOOO - the old "nuh uh!" defense! most major outlets are fake in some way anymore. to sit and pretend only side does it is for people not mentally old enough to outwit a tootsie pop.


:rolleyes: :blahblah:





President Donald Trump was behind a misleading statement that incompletely described his son Donald Trump Jr.'s meeting with a Russian lawyer in 2016, The Washington Post reported on Monday.

The statement, published in July after The New York Times first reported that the meeting took place, said that Trump Jr. and the lawyer "primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children" and that the subject of conversation was "not a campaign issue at the time."


Trump was behind the misleading original statement about Trump Jr.'s meeting with a Russian lawyer




Trump lawyers say he 'dictated' statement on Trump Tower meeting, contradicting past denials - CNNPolitics




Go deeper: The shifting stories on the Trump Tower meeting

Go deeper: The shifting stories on the Trump Tower meeting
 
so when you judge both sides equally, you have a point. when you forgive your side while demonizing the other - you get our jacked up world we have today.

^ simpleton rubbish ignoring the LEGAL facts of the matter
^ typical leftist bullshit. call someone stupid and pretend they don't understand so you can keep your "high ground" of superiority even if in only your own mind.

you want to talk over an issue, great. you want to lob out powerpoint bullets then get upset you didn't read the notes page, that's on you.
 
"The statement, published in July after The New York Times first reported that the meeting took place..."



BTW team traitor ONLY owns up to their misdeeds AFTER there is no denying the truth. :eusa_clap:




team traitor would have you believe that was "fake news" IF they hadn't got caught red-handed!

The KGB were always masters of fake news
 
^ typical leftist bullshit. call someone stupid and pretend they don't understand so you can keep your "high ground" of superiority even if in only your own mind.

huh? :laugh:

OOOO - the old "nuh uh!" defense! ... to sit and pretend only side does it is for people not mentally old enough to outwit a tootsie pop.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ :blahblah:
 
Rinat Akhmetshin is a name we should have heard a lot of but we didn't. This guy seems to be in the middle of everything. He even has ties to Fusion GPS Sen. Chuck Grassley has accused Fusion GPS, which admits it was behind the Steele dossier, of being an unregistered Russian agent because of its work with the Russians lobbying against Magnitsky, including Akhmetshin and Veselnitskaya.

Rinat Akhmetshin: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

Was the Trump dossier written by a Russian? Perhaps Rinat Akhmetshin.

The Trump Dossier Is Fake -- And Here Are The Reasons Why

In any case I think it is clear that Rinat Akhmetshin should be getting some serious news media attention. There are only two possibilities, he is working for the CIA or he is a Russian spy sent to help half the country take down Trump.

Either way, the Left wing media has not interest, nor does the Left winged Federal government.
Do you really think the Mueller Special Counsel and FBI has only an uncorroborated Dossier???
 
^ typical leftist bullshit. call someone stupid and pretend they don't understand so you can keep your "high ground" of superiority even if in only your own mind.

huh? :laugh:

OOOO - the old "nuh uh!" defense! ... to sit and pretend only side does it is for people not mentally old enough to outwit a tootsie pop.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ :blahblah:
like i said - so far you've not shown an ability to talk over the issues, just mock people who are.

must be great to have stopped mentally growing in about the 4th grade.
 
So the argument is that the DNC…who was hacked by the Russians at least once…was now in Trumpworld….colluding with the Russians?

Interesting theory. It’s total bullshit of course.

How do you know the DNC was hacked by the Russians since they didn't cooperate with the investigation? Sounds like fake news

DHS, CIA, ONI says so.

Why should the DNC have any credibility when they refused to cooperate? They shouldn't of course. You'd suddenly get that if we flipped parties
 
Rinat Akhmetshin is a name we should have heard a lot of but we didn't. This guy seems to be in the middle of everything. He even has ties to Fusion GPS Sen. Chuck Grassley has accused Fusion GPS, which admits it was behind the Steele dossier, of being an unregistered Russian agent because of its work with the Russians lobbying against Magnitsky, including Akhmetshin and Veselnitskaya.

Rinat Akhmetshin: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

Was the Trump dossier written by a Russian? Perhaps Rinat Akhmetshin.

The Trump Dossier Is Fake -- And Here Are The Reasons Why

In any case I think it is clear that Rinat Akhmetshin should be getting some serious news media attention. There are only two possibilities, he is working for the CIA or he is a Russian spy sent to help half the country take down Trump.

Either way, the Left wing media has not interest, nor does the Left winged Federal government.

The Trump Dossier was written by Steele, Blumenthal, and Skirpal. Yes, that Skirpal who both he and his daughter were poisoned.
 
Rinat Akhmetshin is a name we should have heard a lot of but we didn't. This guy seems to be in the middle of everything. He even has ties to Fusion GPS Sen. Chuck Grassley has accused Fusion GPS, which admits it was behind the Steele dossier, of being an unregistered Russian agent because of its work with the Russians lobbying against Magnitsky, including Akhmetshin and Veselnitskaya.

Rinat Akhmetshin: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

Was the Trump dossier written by a Russian? Perhaps Rinat Akhmetshin.

The Trump Dossier Is Fake -- And Here Are The Reasons Why

In any case I think it is clear that Rinat Akhmetshin should be getting some serious news media attention. There are only two possibilities, he is working for the CIA or he is a Russian spy sent to help half the country take down Trump.

Either way, the Left wing media has not interest, nor does the Left winged Federal government.







"no collusion" "collusion is not a crime" "but they did collusion too!" derrrrrp :blahblah: :uhoh3:



Both Campaigns Sought Russian Dirt. Clinton's Way Was Legal.

Both Campaigns Sought Russian Dirt. Clinton's Way Was Legal

Do you not understand the difference between LEGAL and ILLEGAL?

Fox News host wrong that no law bans Russia-Trump collusion


https://lawandcrime.com/politics/ab...foreign-nationals-to-influence-u-s-elections/


Federal election law, administered by the Federal Election Commission, prohibits contributions, donations and other expenditures by “foreign nationals” in any federal, state or local election as well an exchange of any “thing of value.” Most recently, Section 303 of the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002, also known as the McCain-Feingold Act, strengthened the ban on foreign money in U.S. electioneering.


Six years ago, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld a decision by a U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., that Congress can ban individuals who lawfully reside in the U.S. and are neither U.S. citizens nor “permanent residents” from making donations or gifts related to any election. In that case, Bluman v. Federal Election Commission, a three-judge panel said the limitation was a legitimate tool for government to prevent “foreign influence over U.S. elections.” The decision specifically banned contributions to candidates and political parties as well as “express-advocacy” expenditures — those ads that clearly support or oppose a specific electoral outcome. The Supreme Court affirmed the decision without comment.
 
Rinat Akhmetshin is a name we should have heard a lot of but we didn't. This guy seems to be in the middle of everything. He even has ties to Fusion GPS Sen. Chuck Grassley has accused Fusion GPS, which admits it was behind the Steele dossier, of being an unregistered Russian agent because of its work with the Russians lobbying against Magnitsky, including Akhmetshin and Veselnitskaya.

Rinat Akhmetshin: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

Was the Trump dossier written by a Russian? Perhaps Rinat Akhmetshin.

The Trump Dossier Is Fake -- And Here Are The Reasons Why

In any case I think it is clear that Rinat Akhmetshin should be getting some serious news media attention. There are only two possibilities, he is working for the CIA or he is a Russian spy sent to help half the country take down Trump.

Either way, the Left wing media has not interest, nor does the Left winged Federal government.

"no collusion" "collusion is not a crime" "but they did collusion too!" derrrrrp :blahblah: :uhoh3:

Both Campaigns Sought Russian Dirt. Clinton's Way Was Legal.

Both Campaigns Sought Russian Dirt. Clinton's Way Was Legal

Do you not understand the difference between LEGAL and ILLEGAL?

Fox News host wrong that no law bans Russia-Trump collusion


https://lawandcrime.com/politics/ab...foreign-nationals-to-influence-u-s-elections/


Federal election law, administered by the Federal Election Commission, prohibits contributions, donations and other expenditures by “foreign nationals” in any federal, state or local election as well an exchange of any “thing of value.” Most recently, Section 303 of the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002, also known as the McCain-Feingold Act, strengthened the ban on foreign money in U.S. electioneering.


Six years ago, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld a decision by a U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., that Congress can ban individuals who lawfully reside in the U.S. and are neither U.S. citizens nor “permanent residents” from making donations or gifts related to any election. In that case, Bluman v. Federal Election Commission, a three-judge panel said the limitation was a legitimate tool for government to prevent “foreign influence over U.S. elections.” The decision specifically banned contributions to candidates and political parties as well as “express-advocacy” expenditures — those ads that clearly support or oppose a specific electoral outcome. The Supreme Court affirmed the decision without comment.

GIVE US SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW, CARE4NONE,
  • It's not news that collusion isn't a crime, it is done ALL THE TIME.
  • It only becomes criminal when money changes hands (as you so aptly detailed).
  • The only time Russian collusion occurred where money was involved was with Hillary, her campaign and the DNC in their efforts to put forth a Steele Dossier.
  • By that definition, Hillary was a criminal conspirator through all of her stint as Sec. of State!
This is the character of the woman the DNC and Left would have as their mobster president. She is a criminal. Time to LOCK HER UP.
 
Rinat Akhmetshin is a name we should have heard a lot of but we didn't. This guy seems to be in the middle of everything. He even has ties to Fusion GPS Sen. Chuck Grassley has accused Fusion GPS, which admits it was behind the Steele dossier, of being an unregistered Russian agent because of its work with the Russians lobbying against Magnitsky, including Akhmetshin and Veselnitskaya.

Rinat Akhmetshin: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

Was the Trump dossier written by a Russian? Perhaps Rinat Akhmetshin.

The Trump Dossier Is Fake -- And Here Are The Reasons Why

In any case I think it is clear that Rinat Akhmetshin should be getting some serious news media attention. There are only two possibilities, he is working for the CIA or he is a Russian spy sent to help half the country take down Trump.

Either way, the Left wing media has not interest, nor does the Left winged Federal government.







"no collusion" "collusion is not a crime" "but they did collusion too!" derrrrrp :blahblah: :uhoh3:



Both Campaigns Sought Russian Dirt. Clinton's Way Was Legal.

Both Campaigns Sought Russian Dirt. Clinton's Way Was Legal

Do you not understand the difference between LEGAL and ILLEGAL?

Fox News host wrong that no law bans Russia-Trump collusion


https://lawandcrime.com/politics/ab...foreign-nationals-to-influence-u-s-elections/


Federal election law, administered by the Federal Election Commission, prohibits contributions, donations and other expenditures by “foreign nationals” in any federal, state or local election as well an exchange of any “thing of value.” Most recently, Section 303 of the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002, also known as the McCain-Feingold Act, strengthened the ban on foreign money in U.S. electioneering.


Six years ago, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld a decision by a U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., that Congress can ban individuals who lawfully reside in the U.S. and are neither U.S. citizens nor “permanent residents” from making donations or gifts related to any election. In that case, Bluman v. Federal Election Commission, a three-judge panel said the limitation was a legitimate tool for government to prevent “foreign influence over U.S. elections.” The decision specifically banned contributions to candidates and political parties as well as “express-advocacy” expenditures — those ads that clearly support or oppose a specific electoral outcome. The Supreme Court affirmed the decision without comment.
You're treating them as being interested in truth, when their argument is based on Fusion GPS being a lobbyist or agent of transferring information from a govt to a campaign.
 

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