Dismantle all welfare programs.

[Murf76]

I think the point that some people might be missing is that there is no reason why the States shouldn't see to the needs of their aging and poor citizens. There's no Constitutional bar to that. And... through competition for citizens and businesses, state legislatures would be forced to balance the democratic social demands of voters with practicality. IOW, well-meaning people commonly vote largesse from the treasury, but the ability to attract revenue sources necessitates that it only go so far. ie. We see revenues leaving places like California, Michigan, and New York for the greener pastures of Texas and Florida. Without federal assistance, these big-spender states would have no choice but to eventually correct themselves.

I do not believe that there are ANY Constitutional grounds for social spending at the federal level, regardless of SCOTUS decisions which have allowed it in the past. I believe these decisions are a perversion of the original intent of the founders; a perversion which has allowed greater power and more corruption at the level of central government than was ever intended.

The problem isn't merely the forced redistribution of wealth. The threat isn't limited to the actual thievery. It's the power vested in the thief which presents the greatest danger. At the central level of government, we're giving this little handful of people nearly insane amounts of POWER. We've got less than 500 people deciding the details of nearly every aspect of the daily lives of 300 MILLION.
That's crazy. It dilutes the power of the sovereign citizen to the point of near nonexistence.

The Constitution was meant to be the arbiter of our disputes. State sovereignty allows for balance between practical concerns and social questions regarding the quality of life. And it does that without vesting nearly monarchic powers in the central government because it allows CHOICE. If our State is doing it wrong, we can move our families and our businesses to another state. When the federal government is doing it wrong... there's no place to go. Further, a mistake at the state level doesn't put the entire country in the crapper as we saw in the Fannie and Freddie debacle.

Government was intended to be close to the people... in our own backyards where our individual votes are at their most powerful. Central government was only supposed to be endowed with specific, enumerated powers in order to provide cohesion.

We CAN have the best of both worlds, balance between social spending and fiscal restraint. But it needs to come at the State level. Otherwise, we continue to allow division and tumult which only serves to further empower a small handful of people whose chief concerns are amassing and holding power and wealth. It doesn't matter if we periodically change the player through democratic process if the GAME remains the same. It's only trading one tyrant for another.

WE are the sovereign. And we're at our most potent when we keep our power in our own backyards. We need to reduce these big central players back down to size.

 

[Sarah G]

What is your alternative for ending welfare?

Tent cities?
People begging door to door
People dying in the streets
Children starving

Lets just model our country after Calcutta

They don't care as long as nobody they love needs it. Wait until someone close goes bankrupt over medical bills, they lose their job, car, house.. That's when they'll be wailing for someone to help.

 

[traveler52]

I think we should end all welfare...period.

Does that all forms of Corporate Welfare as well?

 

[Toro]

I think we should end all welfare...period.

Obama was just to much.

You should run for office on that platform.

See what happens.

 

[nraforlife]

I think we should end all welfare...period.

Obama was just to much.

Please define which Government expenditures you consider to be 'welfare'.

 

[Big Fitz]

What is your alternative for ending welfare?

Tent cities?
People begging door to door
People dying in the streets
Children starving

Lets just model our country after Calcutta

They don't care as long as nobody they love needs it. Wait until someone close goes bankrupt over medical bills, they lose their job, car, house.. That's when they'll be wailing for someone to help.

That's when things called personal character kick in. Instead of begging the government to steal from others to support the one they love, they pitch in themselves. They sacrifice from their own wealth to help those they feel drawn to. And if they can't support financially, they support spiritually, or with works.

This is the nature of conservatism that has been stomped on by entitlement junkies accusing those who won't steal from someone else to fund what they want, of being heartless. It's disingenuous and more than that, morally despicable. Of course, when they're called out on this, most entitlement junkies then scream and holler like stuck pigs that we don't have the right to judge them, for they have goooooood intentions. The road to hell is paved with those, and using goooooood intentions to justify theft via government through taxes may as well be them sticking the gun in the face of others themselves. But their gooooood intentions help them sleep better at night, thinking that covers their sin.

If you really cared so much, you'd pull out your own checkbook to the depth of which you feel the need to help. Otherwise, you're robin hood. A common thief playing god with other people's property and freedom.

 

[Big Fitz]

I think we should end all welfare...period.

Does that all forms of Corporate Welfare as well?

Yes please. ADM doesn't need government handouts. Nor does GE, nor the airlines, nor railroads, nor steel industry, nor textile industry.

Stand on your own two feet and do better at containing costs or shut down and do something we can do cheaply or better than everyone else they're willing to pay the extra price.

On the other hand, we need to end our free trade agreements with all nations that are effectively 2nd or 3rd world nations... like every nation south of our border and those utilizing tariffs and trade restrictions and unfair monetary policies to interfere with our trade as well.

 

[The T]

And this is happening here? The way you write that is what you impart.

You are patently ridiculous.

Part of the reason it's not happening here is because we have social safety nets in place that we all pay for like it or not.

We had them in the past too. They were called private charities and churches. But since the Government put them out of business by taking them over... now we'd have to rebuild them. The only hangup to that is that when the social safety net DOES collapse this time, the taxes won't drop with it till those idiots are out of power. So nobody's going to have money to give, since the government will be stealing it to pay for spending they had no constitutional right to do 75 years ago to present.

Exactly. Time for their good works to cease being demonized, and the Government should step off.

 

[froggy]

I think we should end all welfare...period.

Obama was just to much.

Yea, lets end it all welfare, food stamps, unemployment benefits, wic, all those freebies you so against, and watch the crime rates increase which would you want then, your safety or gov't freebies.

 

[Sarah G]

What is your alternative for ending welfare?

Tent cities?
People begging door to door
People dying in the streets
Children starving

Lets just model our country after Calcutta

They don't care as long as nobody they love needs it. Wait until someone close goes bankrupt over medical bills, they lose their job, car, house.. That's when they'll be wailing for someone to help.

That's when things called personal character kick in. Instead of begging the government to steal from others to support the one they love, they pitch in themselves. They sacrifice from their own wealth to help those they feel drawn to. And if they can't support financially, they support spiritually, or with works.

This is the nature of conservatism that has been stomped on by entitlement junkies accusing those who won't steal from someone else to fund what they want, of being heartless. It's disingenuous and more than that, morally despicable. Of course, when they're called out on this, most entitlement junkies then scream and holler like stuck pigs that we don't have the right to judge them, for they have goooooood intentions. The road to hell is paved with those, and using goooooood intentions to justify theft via government through taxes may as well be them sticking the gun in the face of others themselves. But their gooooood intentions help them sleep better at night, thinking that covers their sin.

If you really cared so much, you'd pull out your own checkbook to the depth of which you feel the need to help. Otherwise, you're robin hood. A common thief playing god with other people's property and freedom.

People do care and write checks everyday. Maybe you don't understand the concept because you don't ever actually write any checks in response to another's misfortune. You just sit on your fat ass telling them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

This concept of yours was a proven failure under Reagan and his trickle down theory. One big problem with that, nothing ever trickled down because ignorant Cons forgot to factor in greed.

It doesn't matter anyway, nobody will be dissembling welfare anytime soon.

 

[The T]

They don't care as long as nobody they love needs it. Wait until someone close goes bankrupt over medical bills, they lose their job, car, house.. That's when they'll be wailing for someone to help.

That's when things called personal character kick in. Instead of begging the government to steal from others to support the one they love, they pitch in themselves. They sacrifice from their own wealth to help those they feel drawn to. And if they can't support financially, they support spiritually, or with works.

This is the nature of conservatism that has been stomped on by entitlement junkies accusing those who won't steal from someone else to fund what they want, of being heartless. It's disingenuous and more than that, morally despicable. Of course, when they're called out on this, most entitlement junkies then scream and holler like stuck pigs that we don't have the right to judge them, for they have goooooood intentions. The road to hell is paved with those, and using goooooood intentions to justify theft via government through taxes may as well be them sticking the gun in the face of others themselves. But their gooooood intentions help them sleep better at night, thinking that covers their sin.

If you really cared so much, you'd pull out your own checkbook to the depth of which you feel the need to help. Otherwise, you're robin hood. A common thief playing god with other people's property and freedom.

People do care and write checks everyday. Maybe you don't understand the concept because you don't ever actually write any checks in response to another's misfortune. You just sit on your fat ass telling them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

This concept of yours was a proven failure under Reagan and his trickle down theory. One big problem with that, nothing ever trickled down because ignorant Cons forgot to factor in greed.

It doesn't matter anyway, nobody will be dissembling welfare anytime soon.

Most times we hear shit like this from those that are recipients...

 

[Murf76]

That's when things called personal character kick in. Instead of begging the government to steal from others to support the one they love, they pitch in themselves. They sacrifice from their own wealth to help those they feel drawn to. And if they can't support financially, they support spiritually, or with works.

This is the nature of conservatism that has been stomped on by entitlement junkies accusing those who won't steal from someone else to fund what they want, of being heartless. It's disingenuous and more than that, morally despicable. Of course, when they're called out on this, most entitlement junkies then scream and holler like stuck pigs that we don't have the right to judge them, for they have goooooood intentions. The road to hell is paved with those, and using goooooood intentions to justify theft via government through taxes may as well be them sticking the gun in the face of others themselves. But their gooooood intentions help them sleep better at night, thinking that covers their sin.

If you really cared so much, you'd pull out your own checkbook to the depth of which you feel the need to help. Otherwise, you're robin hood. A common thief playing god with other people's property and freedom.

Well said.

You know, there's a HUGE difference between charity and forced redistribution. And the difference is that charity is voluntary. It springs from Free Will... that which God, Himself, has granted us. And who do these people think they are to say they know better than God?

For the last year, we've been raising someone else's teenager as our own. We feed, clothe, shelter, and love him just like he was one of ours. He's a good kid. And he'll be the first in his family to graduate high school, and hopefully... the first to attend college. It's not his fault that his family lost their home, but the bottom line is that it wasn't just bad luck that caused the loss... it was bad CHOICES.

Be that as it may, this kid would have likely dropped out without our intervention. His story is an injustice that we CHOSE to address, not one that was forced upon us. And we are NOT the exception to the rule. Every day, millions of good-hearted Americans see a problem... and choose to address it. And we TEACH that value-set to our offspring. My son just recently rescued two feral kittens, and paid his own money, (which he worked for), to have them spayed, vaccinate them, and adopt them out to a good home.

Leftists seem to believe that people are innately evil and stupid, and that they need to be forced to acts of kindness. It's very sad... and NOT true.

 

[Sarah G]

That's when things called personal character kick in. Instead of begging the government to steal from others to support the one they love, they pitch in themselves. They sacrifice from their own wealth to help those they feel drawn to. And if they can't support financially, they support spiritually, or with works.

This is the nature of conservatism that has been stomped on by entitlement junkies accusing those who won't steal from someone else to fund what they want, of being heartless. It's disingenuous and more than that, morally despicable. Of course, when they're called out on this, most entitlement junkies then scream and holler like stuck pigs that we don't have the right to judge them, for they have goooooood intentions. The road to hell is paved with those, and using goooooood intentions to justify theft via government through taxes may as well be them sticking the gun in the face of others themselves. But their gooooood intentions help them sleep better at night, thinking that covers their sin.

If you really cared so much, you'd pull out your own checkbook to the depth of which you feel the need to help. Otherwise, you're robin hood. A common thief playing god with other people's property and freedom.

People do care and write checks everyday. Maybe you don't understand the concept because you don't ever actually write any checks in response to another's misfortune. You just sit on your fat ass telling them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

This concept of yours was a proven failure under Reagan and his trickle down theory. One big problem with that, nothing ever trickled down because ignorant Cons forgot to factor in greed.

It doesn't matter anyway, nobody will be dissembling welfare anytime soon.

Most times we hear shit like this from those that are recipients...

I think you're a recipient, basement dweller.

 

[Big Fitz]

People do care and write checks everyday. Maybe you don't understand the concept because you don't ever actually write any checks in response to another's misfortune. You just sit on your fat ass telling them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

Oh? So you know how much I give to charity? You know my causes and those I help with financial assistance or personal effort? How much to YOU fork out of your own pocket above and beyond what you pay in taxes? You go down and serve in shelters or soup kitchens much for free? (yes, I'm saying unpaid volunteers. An alien concept for many libs.)

I doubt highly you understand the concept of tough love either, and all too many who are enabled by the entitlement culture need to experience a whole shitload of that to get their lazy asses back into being a productive member of society and not a parasite dragging others down.

As for disassembling welfare, we won't have to. When there is no money left, the deadbeats on it will be last in line for assistance if there is any to get cause you liberal fucks have wasted all the money on do nothings dependents for generations. Nobody will be paid anything cause everyone wants to get pulled in the wagon. Learn some economic realities instead of getting stoned on hoaxy changey bullshit.

 

[Sarah G]

People do care and write checks everyday. Maybe you don't understand the concept because you don't ever actually write any checks in response to another's misfortune. You just sit on your fat ass telling them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

Oh? So you know how much I give to charity? You know my causes and those I help with financial assistance or personal effort? How much to YOU fork out of your own pocket above and beyond what you pay in taxes? You go down and serve in shelters or soup kitchens much for free? (yes, I'm saying unpaid volunteers. An alien concept for many libs.)

I doubt highly you understand the concept of tough love either, and all too many who are enabled by the entitlement culture need to experience a whole shitload of that to get their lazy asses back into being a productive member of society and not a parasite dragging others down.

As for disassembling welfare, we won't have to. When there is no money left, the deadbeats on it will be last in line for assistance if there is any to get cause you liberal fucks have wasted all the money on do nothings dependents for generations. Nobody will be paid anything cause everyone wants to get pulled in the wagon. Learn some economic realities instead of getting stoned on hoaxy changey bullshit.

Figures, a Sarah Palin fan..

 

[Big Fitz]

People do care and write checks everyday. Maybe you don't understand the concept because you don't ever actually write any checks in response to another's misfortune. You just sit on your fat ass telling them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

Oh? So you know how much I give to charity? You know my causes and those I help with financial assistance or personal effort? How much to YOU fork out of your own pocket above and beyond what you pay in taxes? You go down and serve in shelters or soup kitchens much for free? (yes, I'm saying unpaid volunteers. An alien concept for many libs.)

I doubt highly you understand the concept of tough love either, and all too many who are enabled by the entitlement culture need to experience a whole shitload of that to get their lazy asses back into being a productive member of society and not a parasite dragging others down.

As for disassembling welfare, we won't have to. When there is no money left, the deadbeats on it will be last in line for assistance if there is any to get cause you liberal fucks have wasted all the money on do nothings dependents for generations. Nobody will be paid anything cause everyone wants to get pulled in the wagon. Learn some economic realities instead of getting stoned on hoaxy changey bullshit.

Figures, a Sarah Palin fan..

Smarter than your god in the white house.

And for what it's worth, if you hadn't made this personal I wouldn't have felt justified in the neg rep you so graciously earned. But I had gooooood intentions!

 

[The T]

People do care and write checks everyday. Maybe you don't understand the concept because you don't ever actually write any checks in response to another's misfortune. You just sit on your fat ass telling them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

This concept of yours was a proven failure under Reagan and his trickle down theory. One big problem with that, nothing ever trickled down because ignorant Cons forgot to factor in greed.

It doesn't matter anyway, nobody will be dissembling welfare anytime soon.

Most times we hear shit like this from those that are recipients...

I think you're a recipient, basement dweller.

LOL! Speak out of your ASS much? Florida isn't the ideal place for basements you idiot.

As to 'recipient'? I'm a PAYER and a PLAYER. And while we're at it? WHY do you hate individual Liberty so much, and WHY do you support those that mean to take it from you?

Why do you support those that mean to control -YOU-? And don't ell me that you don't. These pages are relete with your brand of idiocy.

 

[Sarah G]

People do care and write checks everyday. Maybe you don't understand the concept because you don't ever actually write any checks in response to another's misfortune. You just sit on your fat ass telling them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

Oh? So you know how much I give to charity? You know my causes and those I help with financial assistance or personal effort? How much to YOU fork out of your own pocket above and beyond what you pay in taxes? You go down and serve in shelters or soup kitchens much for free? (yes, I'm saying unpaid volunteers. An alien concept for many libs.)

I doubt highly you understand the concept of tough love either, and all too many who are enabled by the entitlement culture need to experience a whole shitload of that to get their lazy asses back into being a productive member of society and not a parasite dragging others down.

As for disassembling welfare, we won't have to. When there is no money left, the deadbeats on it will be last in line for assistance if there is any to get cause you liberal fucks have wasted all the money on do nothings dependents for generations. Nobody will be paid anything cause everyone wants to get pulled in the wagon. Learn some economic realities instead of getting stoned on hoaxy changey bullshit.

And stop pm'ing me, nobody gives a shit what you have to say here or anywhere else.

 

[boedicca]

Well said.

You know, there's a HUGE difference between charity and forced redistribution. And the difference is that charity is voluntary. It springs from Free Will... that which God, Himself, has granted us. And who do these people think they are to say they know better than God?

For the last year, we've been raising someone else's teenager as our own. We feed, clothe, shelter, and love him just like he was one of ours. He's a good kid. And he'll be the first in his family to graduate high school, and hopefully... the first to attend college. It's not his fault that his family lost their home, but the bottom line is that it wasn't just bad luck that caused the loss... it was bad CHOICES.

Be that as it may, this kid would have likely dropped out without our intervention. His story is an injustice that we CHOSE to address, not one that was forced upon us. And we are NOT the exception to the rule. Every day, millions of good-hearted Americans see a problem... and choose to address it. And we TEACH that value-set to our offspring. My son just recently rescued two feral kittens, and paid his own money, (which he worked for), to have them spayed, vaccinate them, and adopt them out to a good home.

Leftists seem to believe that people are innately evil and stupid, and that they need to be forced to acts of kindness. It's very sad... and NOT true.

This is an interesting, and telling, contrast to the thread about New York pedestrians ignoring a dying homeless man. It's much easier to ignore those in need when the government takes the place of Community.

 

[Big Fitz]

People do care and write checks everyday. Maybe you don't understand the concept because you don't ever actually write any checks in response to another's misfortune. You just sit on your fat ass telling them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

Oh? So you know how much I give to charity? You know my causes and those I help with financial assistance or personal effort? How much to YOU fork out of your own pocket above and beyond what you pay in taxes? You go down and serve in shelters or soup kitchens much for free? (yes, I'm saying unpaid volunteers. An alien concept for many libs.)

I doubt highly you understand the concept of tough love either, and all too many who are enabled by the entitlement culture need to experience a whole shitload of that to get their lazy asses back into being a productive member of society and not a parasite dragging others down.

As for disassembling welfare, we won't have to. When there is no money left, the deadbeats on it will be last in line for assistance if there is any to get cause you liberal fucks have wasted all the money on do nothings dependents for generations. Nobody will be paid anything cause everyone wants to get pulled in the wagon. Learn some economic realities instead of getting stoned on hoaxy changey bullshit.

And stop pm'ing me, nobody gives a shit what you have to say here or anywhere else.

I didn't pm you. I neg repped you with a comment.

I wouldn't waste my time in sidebar with you. Not only that I was public about it. You libeled me and my charitable efforts, and then have been nothing than a turd chucking troll. You earned it. But if you can't hack the conversation, seek life elsewhere. This is not conducive to your quality of living and you've added nothing but fertilizer.