The End of ALL Entitlements

[DudleySmith]

"Homeless" people are drug addicts, they're not homeless because they're poor, they're homeless because they spend every dime they pilfer from someone on drugs.

Rubbish. Many of them have jobs. They aren't as visible because they're sleeping in cars and vans, out of sight.

 

[OldFlame]

Rubbish. Many of them have jobs. They aren't as visible because they're sleeping in cars and vans, out of sight.

You're a government shill, and a defender of the "D" until death. Your opinion is worthless as far as I'm concerned.

 

[my2¢]

Which came first, did the church decline so the Govt stepped in or was it the other way around?

From what I heard mentioned in a few sermons church attendance, as a percentage of Americans attending, peaked in the early 1960s. My inclination is to think with the government stepping in with its war on poverty, people became less in need of a social safety net that churches provided.

 

[SavannahMann]

Interesting response. What civil rights do you think would be curtailed and why?

First. You talk of ending all entitlements. Old people would be unable to afford medicine. Young mothers would lose WIC assistance. School lunches for the poor would end.

People would turn to crime. They would rob and steal to provide for their kids, parents, or grand parents.

That would mean a lot of cops were needed. Those cops would make arrests and the jails would become so overcrowded that they had to release some. The events that happen now and the RW runs around with their hair on fire.

So you would need more cops. More jails. More of everything. So the whole due process of law would be curtailed. We don’t have time for long drawn out trials. We need to get the criminals into the new prisons we are building right? So we just curtail the whole process. Jury’s are a pain and not needed when we know they are guilty right?

Then the real problems begin. The rich can manage more rights than the poor and the poor do what they have always done in history. They rebel. So we get rid of rights to assemble. We get rid of all those pesky freedoms. This is to stop the poor from rising up.

We hire even more cops, which costs more money, and higher taxes again. We have to do this for public safety. We have to get tough on crime right?

Then the poor start shooting the cops. And others. Well we have to stop the wrong sort from having guns. We just have to. Those cities are dangerous. Good and decent people can’t go to work at the banks, and other good businesses.

Ten years. And you’ll be paying more taxes and living in a bunker with bars on the windows. Twenty years and we will either be a fascist nation or a socialist nation. Either way we all lose so you can get rid of something you don’t use so nobody should.

Do it. Hell I would love to watch when they line the fat cats up against the wall. I’m old enough that I probably won’t survive another ten years anyway.

You are too dumb to understand how anything works. All those entitlements you decry. They are drops of water to a man dying of thirst. To give the person a little help, and a little hope. So Grandma can afford the meds to let her live a little longer. To let a family provide more nutritious food for Junior while Dad and mom struggle to make ends meet.

These programs don’t cost half what the alternatives would cost. You want to imagine that people with nothing will just sit and endure being hungry. Have you ever really been hungry? Have you ever dove into a trash can for food? I did. In the Army. As part of my training. To learn what it was like. To experience the desperation. To see if we had the fortitude to continue with indescribable hunger gnawing at our insides.

That was temporary. That was a short term event. But one that gave me a hint of the importance of what we take for granted.

Your plan would destroy the nation. Your plan would cause massive social upheaval and the only answer your plan would embrace is getting tough. Get tough with the freeloaders. Get tough on the lazy slackers. Get tough with crime.

It hasn’t ever worked. But we can prove we will do it better. Somehow. Or something.

 

[evenflow1969]

I am curious to hear from all of you in response to the following hypothetical question:

If all entitlements were to end tomorrow, what do you think would be the state of our culture and economy in ten years?

By the way, under this notion, American citizens would receive compensation to direct contribution programs such as Social Security, but ONLY to the amount each individual paid into that program. And I apologize in advance if this type of thread is posted in the wrong forum of this site.

Lol, ya gotta live to be 110 just to get out what ya put into social security. SSI is your money that you paid in and you ain't getting it all back.

 

[DudleySmith]

You're a government shill, and a defender of the "D" until death. Your opinion is worthless as far as I'm concerned.

Like I would care what you opinions are; obviously you love govt. protecting you from your fuck ups, as long as they don't shield others from theirs, like most 'libertoons'. You don't know jack shit. just parrot the usual standard idiot crap.

 

[DudleySmith]

From what I heard mentioned in a few sermons church attendance, as a percentage of Americans attending, peaked in the early 1960s. My inclination is to think with the government stepping in with its war on poverty, people became less in need of a social safety net that churches provided.

Churches never provided much of one, except early on in the U.S., mostly in small towns. Getting swamped with mass immigration killed off the effectiveness of such charity and aid. Nobody could support all the transients and poverty.

 

[OldFlame]

Like I would care what you opinions are; obviously you love govt. protecting you from your fuck ups, as long as they don't shield others from theirs, like most 'libertoons'. You don't know jack shit. just parrot the usual standard idiot crap.

Such as?

 

[BS Filter]

It's not "charity", people pay into it, and then they benefit if they don't have a job.

The illegals haven't paid a dime into the system and they're doing well.

 

[Mac-7]

I am curious to hear from all of you in response to the following hypothetical question:

If all entitlements were to end tomorrow, what do you think would be the state of our culture and economy in ten years?

By the way, under this notion, American citizens would receive compensation to direct contribution programs such as Social Security, but ONLY to the amount each individual paid into that program. And I apologize in advance if this type of thread is posted in the wrong forum of this site.

The public has become so addicted to government handouts it would be like cutting a junkie off from his heroin supply

Many welfare bums couldnt handle it

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Correction: How is it an entitlement if a person is REQUIRED to pay into the system their entire working life considering the money is taken from your paycheck before you ever even see it.

That is the definition of an entitlement. The OP is targeting them instead of welfare, SNAP. TANF and other programs for which entitlement does not exist.

 

[DudleySmith]

Such as?

Such as everything you babble. Ideologues are ideologues because they're stupid and need peer approval.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I am curious to hear from all of you in response to the following hypothetical question:

If all entitlements were to end tomorrow, what do you think would be the state of our culture and economy in ten years?

By the way, under this notion, American citizens would receive compensation to direct contribution programs such as Social Security, but ONLY to the amount each individual paid into that program. And I apologize in advance if this type of thread is posted in the wrong forum of this site.

Who in good mental health would propose ending entitlements? That's like outlawing the right to breathe!

 

[DudleySmith]

The public has become so addicted to government handouts it would be like cutting a junkie off from his heroin supply

Many welfare bums couldnt handle it

Yes. Banks, real estate swindlers, stock jobbers, CEO's, etc. can't survive without it.

 

[DudleySmith]

The illegals haven't paid a dime into the system and they're doing well.

They get freebies just for showing up.

 

[bendog]

I am curious to hear from all of you in response to the following hypothetical question:

If all entitlements were to end tomorrow, what do you think would be the state of our culture and economy in ten years?

By the way, under this notion, American citizens would receive compensation to direct contribution programs such as Social Security, but ONLY to the amount each individual paid into that program. And I apologize in advance if this type of thread is posted in the wrong forum of this site.

Not to be unkind, but you seem to be having some difficulty in getting people to understand what you mean by entitlement, and it's certainly not your making because some entitlements such as medicaid or food security don't have separate funding tax schemes, like Soc Sec and medicare.

Am I correct that your post would result in taxpayers would basically get out what they put into soc sec and medicare, but all other entitlements would simply cease to exist?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Was forced to pay, by government promising the benefit. SURPRISE everyone is learning the dirtbag politicians STOLE our contributions and spent OUR money on other crap. Any private sector plan that did that, all the executives would be in prison.

You have fallen into the trap of ignorance. SS funds have always been used to provide funding for government programs. There is no "fund" where this money sits idly by like a bank account.

 

[Flash]

I am curious to hear from all of you in response to the following hypothetical question:

If all entitlements were to end tomorrow, what do you think would be the state of our culture and economy in ten years?

By the way, under this notion, American citizens would receive compensation to direct contribution programs such as Social Security, but ONLY to the amount each individual paid into that program. And I apologize in advance if this type of thread is posted in the wrong forum of this site.

We need to end all welfare (both domestic and foreign), entitlements, bailouts, subsidies and grants.

If somebody has paid in money to get entitlements like with this stupid Social Security they need to get their money back with reasonable interest.

Yea, the welfare queens may get all butt hurt and we will have to deal with that and we may have to kick a little ass if they get too uppity. However, we will be much better off in the long run.

It is absolutely immoral to pay off somebody by giving them welfare.

 

[Frankenstein]

Correction: How is it an entitlement if a person is REQUIRED to pay into the system their entire working life considering the money is taken from your paycheck before you ever even see it.

aND RECEIVES NO INTEREST!

 

[bendog]

You're a government shill, and a defender of the "D" until death. Your opinion is worthless as far as I'm concerned.

not hardly.