Discovery of stone seal from the time of King David proves Jewish roots to Jerusalem

[Roudy]

We Christians aren't going to fight wars for Jews anymore.

Whatever.

Achmed thinks he's the Pope. "We Muslims ginning up Jew hate by pretending to be Christians blah blah blah...." Failed but funny shit.

Christians do not want to go to war with Muslims for you Jews. That's just a fact.

You Muslims are already at war with and killing Christians, and Jews have nothing to do with it. You're just a desperate antisemetic troll spreading hate and garbage on the Internet. Israel will continue to prosper and flourish while the civilized world will be watching Muslim savages slaughter each other like medieval Neanderthals for the next 50 years.

 

[Roudy]

Challenger, Roudy, et al,

I think your mistaken.

The meter says it all. This has been debunked so many times, but Rude-ee, having lost the argument tries to deflect everything towards the Mufti. Watch and wait, he'll bring up the Farhud next...

(COMMENT)

There were several 1948 era Arab Palestinian Leaders that had close ties to the NAZI Regime. I've made comments of this effect before now. Exactly what did "Roudy" say that you believe was inaccurate?

Most Respectfully,
R

they can't refute the truth, so they deny it.

Hang on a minute Roodboy...

Did you check the date that Rocco stated?

1948

3 years AFTER the end of WWII...

Refuted enough me thinks!

Okay then, prove that the Mufti wasn't a Nazi as registered by the US state dept., and that he didn't intend to commit genocide and ethnic cleansing on the Jews all over the Middle East.

Ok then, prove that you aren't trying to squirm out of your BS comment now that you been proven a liar!

You do know that WWII ended in 1945 NOT 1948.... Don't you?

So? We are talking about the Nazi Mufti, dipshit.

 

[montelatici]

Ruffles the punk acting tough. hiding behind his GIFs. You are just a little wimp Ruffles. Israeli Jews are killing Christians Ruffles. They killed a bunch in Gaza. Christians are not going to fight for you Jews, understand.

 

[Roudy]

Haniyah the Monkey-face coward convert to Islam thinks threats and talking like a bully are going scare people from telling the truth. Your Pali animals have killed 150,000 Lebanese Christians and burned down many churches in the West Bank. You arent concerned about the fate of Christians, neither do you speak for them, asshole.

Your imaginary Jew-hate delusions don't, in the really, Muslims are murdering Christians and destroying all evidence and history of Christianty in the Middle East.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Challenger, Roudy, et al,

I think your mistaken.

The meter says it all. This has been debunked so many times, but Rude-ee, having lost the argument tries to deflect everything towards the Mufti. Watch and wait, he'll bring up the Farhud next...

(COMMENT)

There were several 1948 era Arab Palestinian Leaders that had close ties to the NAZI Regime. I've made comments of this effect before now. Exactly what did "Roudy" say that you believe was inaccurate?

Most Respectfully,
R

US, UK, NEW Zealand, etc. etc. Keep up, douchebag.

Legal status

• In the United States, rock-throwing could be a felony[14][15] and rock-throwers could face criminal charges, dependent on the circumstances that may include second degree murder,[16] aggravated assault, throwing a missile into an occupied vehicle, criminal possession of a weapon, reckless endangerment of life, and aggravated assault with a lethal weapon.[10][17][18] Punishment upon conviction varies as with all punishments for all crimes. A Florida judge sentenced a teenager to serve life in prison for throwing rocks at cars.[16] A New England judge, ruling on teenagers convicted of throwing stones at passing trains, at windows, resulting in eye injuries to passengers, sentenced them to be kept in an eye-injury ward of a hospital for two weeks with their eyes bandaged, in order to make them understand the consequence of their delinquency.[19] Rock throwers can be charged, tried and convicted even when no injuries or damage result.[20]
• In Great Britain, expansive legislation on public disorder introduced in 1986 allows stone throwers to be sentenced on average to 3.5 years in prison if the criminal justice system can prove that the action took place in a riot.[21]
• Under Australian law, rock throwers can be sentenced to up to 5 years in prison, under American law they can receive very long sentences and even be sentenced to life in prison.[16][22][23] Under American law, individuals who were part of a group engaged in rock-throwing can be convicted and imprisoned even if they did not personally throw any missiles.[24][25]
• In New Zealand, individuals who throw rocks at cars can serve 14 years for endangering transport.[26]
• In Vietnam, youths convicted of "vandalism and battery" for throwing stones at vehicles have been imprisoned.[27]
• In Turkey the Islamic Justice and Development Party (AKP) introduced a range of legal measures criminalizing both Kurdishpolitical claims and protest activities by the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK). The harsh sentences handed down against stone throwing children (taş atan çocuklar) led to a public outcry and to an amendment reducing the length of the sentences on the grounds that it was inappropriate from ‘a criminal justice point of view’.[28]

Rock throwing during riots is a criminal offense, for which rock throwers can be charged with felony crimes, including assault on a law enforcement officer.[45][46][47][48] Incidents of criminal rock throwing have resulted in arrests during sports riots, especially notable are incidents of rock-throwing football hooliganism.[49]

• In the U.S., charges vary by state. For example, in New Hampshire , Oregon individuals who throw rocks during demonstrations can be charged with riot, also called "criminal mischief,," a felony.[50][51][52]
• Turkey presses charges and imposes prison sentences for the crime of being part of a group throwing stones at police, even when the rock-throwers are 15 years of age and younger.[53]

Rock-throwers on the Mexican side of the border between the United States and Mexico frequently target United States Border Patrol officers with barrages of rocks to prevent them from apprehending individuals illegally crossing the border, particularly smugglers moving illegal drugs or illegal migrants across the border.[58] Between 2010 and 2014 Border Patrol agents were assaulted with rocks 1,700 times, they fired weapons at rock throwers 43 times, resulting in 10 deaths.[59]Border Patrol agents are permitted to respond to rock-throwers with lethal weapons, although as of 2014 policy is that they should attempt to avoid finding themselves in situations where responding to rock-throwing with lethal force becomes necessary.[59][60]


Stone throwing rioters have repeatedly clashed with Egyptian troops at the Egypt-Gaza border.

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  • In 2008, Gazans assaulted Egyptian border guards by throwing barrages of rocks over the low, concrete border wall topped with barbed wire, then tore down a section of the wall, opening a road and moving goods and people across for several hours before the Egyptian Army, avoiding the use of lethal force, managed to regain control of the border.[65]
  • On January 6, 2010 Hamas called on Gazans to protest the Egyptian border blockade; Gazan men responded by massing at the border and throwing rocks and Molotov cocktails at the Egyptian security forces, who responded with gunfire.[66]

Throwing rocks at people
Rock-throwing can be used by thieves, as demonstrated by a 2015 case in India in which Ratan Marwadi (45) was charged with throwing rocks at a random passer-by, Darshana Pawar, for the purpose of disabling and robbing her. Pawar was killed. Her murderer, Ratan Marwadi, had previously served time in jail for pelting rail commuters with stones with the intent of robbing them.[54]

US, UK, NEW Zealand, etc. etc. Keep up, douchebag.

Legal status

• In the United States, rock-throwing could be a felony[14][15] and rock-throwers could face criminal charges, dependent on the circumstances that may include second degree murder,[16] aggravated assault, throwing a missile into an occupied vehicle, criminal possession of a weapon, reckless endangerment of life, and aggravated assault with a lethal weapon.[10][17][18] Punishment upon conviction varies as with all punishments for all crimes. A Florida judge sentenced a teenager to serve life in prison for throwing rocks at cars.[16] A New England judge, ruling on teenagers convicted of throwing stones at passing trains, at windows, resulting in eye injuries to passengers, sentenced them to be kept in an eye-injury ward of a hospital for two weeks with their eyes bandaged, in order to make them understand the consequence of their delinquency.[19] Rock throwers can be charged, tried and convicted even when no injuries or damage result.[20]
• In Great Britain, expansive legislation on public disorder introduced in 1986 allows stone throwers to be sentenced on average to 3.5 years in prison if the criminal justice system can prove that the action took place in a riot.[21]
• Under Australian law, rock throwers can be sentenced to up to 5 years in prison, under American law they can receive very long sentences and even be sentenced to life in prison.[16][22][23] Under American law, individuals who were part of a group engaged in rock-throwing can be convicted and imprisoned even if they did not personally throw any missiles.[24][25]
• In New Zealand, individuals who throw rocks at cars can serve 14 years for endangering transport.[26]
• In Vietnam, youths convicted of "vandalism and battery" for throwing stones at vehicles have been imprisoned.[27]
• In Turkey the Islamic Justice and Development Party (AKP) introduced a range of legal measures criminalizing both Kurdishpolitical claims and protest activities by the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK). The harsh sentences handed down against stone throwing children (taş atan çocuklar) led to a public outcry and to an amendment reducing the length of the sentences on the grounds that it was inappropriate from ‘a criminal justice point of view’.[28]

Rock throwing during riots is a criminal offense, for which rock throwers can be charged with felony crimes, including assault on a law enforcement officer.[45][46][47][48] Incidents of criminal rock throwing have resulted in arrests during sports riots, especially notable are incidents of rock-throwing football hooliganism.[49]

• In the U.S., charges vary by state. For example, in New Hampshire , Oregon individuals who throw rocks during demonstrations can be charged with riot, also called "criminal mischief,," a felony.[50][51][52]
• Turkey presses charges and imposes prison sentences for the crime of being part of a group throwing stones at police, even when the rock-throwers are 15 years of age and younger.[53]

Rock-throwers on the Mexican side of the border between the United States and Mexico frequently target United States Border Patrol officers with barrages of rocks to prevent them from apprehending individuals illegally crossing the border, particularly smugglers moving illegal drugs or illegal migrants across the border.[58] Between 2010 and 2014 Border Patrol agents were assaulted with rocks 1,700 times, they fired weapons at rock throwers 43 times, resulting in 10 deaths.[59]Border Patrol agents are permitted to respond to rock-throwers with lethal weapons, although as of 2014 policy is that they should attempt to avoid finding themselves in situations where responding to rock-throwing with lethal force becomes necessary.[59][60]


Stone throwing rioters have repeatedly clashed with Egyptian troops at the Egypt-Gaza border.

• 
  
  
  • In 2008, Gazans assaulted Egyptian border guards by throwing barrages of rocks over the low, concrete border wall topped with barbed wire, then tore down a section of the wall, opening a road and moving goods and people across for several hours before the Egyptian Army, avoiding the use of lethal force, managed to regain control of the border.[65]
  • On January 6, 2010 Hamas called on Gazans to protest the Egyptian border blockade; Gazan men responded by massing at the border and throwing rocks and Molotov cocktails at the Egyptian security forces, who responded with gunfire.[66]

Throwing rocks at people
Rock-throwing can be used by thieves, as demonstrated by a 2015 case in India in which Ratan Marwadi (45) was charged with throwing rocks at a random passer-by, Darshana Pawar, for the purpose of disabling and robbing her. Pawar was killed. Her murderer, Ratan Marwadi, had previously served time in jail for pelting rail commuters with stones with the intent of robbing them.[54]

Nice bit of copy and paste that failed to answer the question!

"Where, other than in Zionist Israel, are soldiers or police allowed to use deadly force against children throwing stones?"?

Answer...

NOWHERE!

rocks are used to kill. that is deadly force. Israel take action to protect its citizens from attacks.

I've no objection to stone throwers being arrested, tried and imprisoned if found guilty. What I and many, many others object to, is the "unofficial death sentences" meted out by the IDF; extra-judicial killings as the media puts it.

Speaking of extra judicial killings, it's the Palestinian savages who commit terror on innocent civilians or shoot rockets at populated Israeli cities that most guilty of this barbarism that is rampant in the Muslim world today. You have no leg to stand on when it comes to "unofficial death sentences" meted out by Islamist Palestinian animals on Israeli women and children. The rock throwing is just an extension of their depraved culture of terror and hate.

Jewish savages of the ZioNazi persuasion are doing most of the murdering of women and children in Palestine. It is the ZioNazi depraved culture of terror and hate of the non-Jew that is the problem.

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Forgive me for saying so, but this post clearly shows you've lost your ever lovin' mind.

My only question to you is this:

Why conflate the Jews with the people who tried to wipe them from the face of the Earth? I mean, seriously?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Why would I hate Jews?

You made it clear in Coyote's thread that you do, Billo. I believe the term was "white trash."

Want a recap?

 

[RoccoR]

Humanity, et al,

OK --- what kind of crap are you trying to pull here?

Ah come on Mousey...

1939 - 1945 WWII

Lots of books, movies, documentaries... All with the same start/end date...

You must have seen them/read them...?

Maybe you were there?

(COMMENT)

I said 1948 era, and that the had ties to the NAZI Regime. Just like some had ties to the Ottoman Empire. Many of the prominent Arab Palestinian Leaders of their day had also fought against the Allied Powers in WWI and/or WWII.

What are you driving at?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Challenger]

Penelope, et al,

Now that observation certainly puts a dampener on things.

Actually it proves nothing, and actually I'm sure Israel is going to come up with all kinds of fake proof that the fable of David and Sol were real.

That's "Saul" to you. Please, show us how more uneducated you can be about Jewish history.

Yes no proof of Saul, Abraham, Isaac or Jacob as well. No proof of Moses , or proof of anything as depicted in the Hebrew bible. And please, no sol, no temple , am I right. So that is what they want proof of, that the temple mount is theirs. No King David, no Sol.

(THOUGHTS)

I think that all four of these personalities have a place in the history of the three major religions. It would be hard to challenge their existence in one religion and not have an impact on the credibility of the other two.

Certainly, it is a common belief that the "God of Abraham" is the common point of all three religions. That must mean that the person "Abraham" (a religious Patriarch) existed. If Abraham existed, --- then why not "Isaac" as a son --- or --- "Jacob" as a grandson?

The person "Saul" is ambiguous. There is "Saul of Tarsus" (AKA: The Apostle Paul) who was believed to be the great persecutor of Christians before his conversion; and there was the person of the 11th Century BC known as "King Saul" (father-in-law to the famous Kind David). King Saul was believed to have been the first Monarch of the merged Kingdoms of Israel and Judah.

(COMMENT)

I think that most people agree that outside of ancient religious text, there is no direct evidence for the existence of the person "Abraham." If you read the New York Times Book Review, King David --- A Biography, By Steven L. McKenzie, Oxford University Press, which illustrates the (sometimes heated) arguments between respected "biblical scholars" and "archaeologists" on the topic of: "Did King David Exist?" In some cases, these debates become much more offensive than anything I've seen in this discussion group. Certainly not what I expected from scholars on either side of the debate.

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But yes, archeologist seemed to have uncovered a stela fragment, and then even more additional fragments of the same famous --- the "Tel Dan Stela." (Definition of STELA: a usually carved or inscribed stone slab or pillar used for commemorative purposes.) Within this new evidence is an inscription, in Aramaic, pertaining to the "House of David."

This debate is just as dramatic and dynamic as the Theory of First Motion, proposed by Tommaso d'Aquino (1225–1274), (AKA: Saint Thomas Aquinas, Dominican Priest), "The Argument from Motion," Philosophy of Religion. And this concept is still argued today in more elaborate forms. When Physicist and Cosmologist talk about the "Big Bang" and ask the questions: What Banged? What caused the Bang? Where is it banging into?
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And if the was a "House of David," what came before it?

There are two leading camps that dominate the argument:

• The first believes that the "Absence of Evidence --- is Evidence of Absence" --- the lack of observational proof of the theory, is evidence against that hypothesis on which the theory is built. There is no current evidence that this ancient and historical personalities exist.
• The second believes that "Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence!" (Carl Sagan, Astronomer)
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The first camp (absence of evidence) is essentially the concept of strong probability (significantly more likely not to see evidence for a hypothesis); but still remains as an "appeal to ignorance" wherein the ignorance represents a "lack of evidence to the contrary." "Evidence of absence" can be important; BUT it does not necessarily follow that ... One must instead seriously question whether the absence of evidence is a valid.

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Most Respectfully,
R

I think you are mistaken, the two camps are currently split regarding the authenticity of the stele and how the three fragments should be arranged, in order to say what the Zionist "annenerbe" would like it to say. Given the wealth of archaelogical data that's been uncovered for civilisations pre-dating the mythical "Davidic Empire" and those that follow, it seems abit bizarre to talk in terms of "absence of evidence".

Discounting the Jewish biblical account, there is no objective evidence for the existance of a Davidic kingdom, much less a Davidic Empire. Even taking the biblical account as accurate, for the sake of argument, given there are so many admonitions against worshiping "false gods" or being lured away from the "true god" it is not beyond the realm of possibility that Judaism was ever the only or main religion in the areas allegedly ruled by David.

 

[montelatici]

Challenger, Roudy, et al,

I think your mistaken.

The meter says it all. This has been debunked so many times, but Rude-ee, having lost the argument tries to deflect everything towards the Mufti. Watch and wait, he'll bring up the Farhud next...

(COMMENT)

There were several 1948 era Arab Palestinian Leaders that had close ties to the NAZI Regime. I've made comments of this effect before now. Exactly what did "Roudy" say that you believe was inaccurate?

Most Respectfully,
R

Nice bit of copy and paste that failed to answer the question!

"Where, other than in Zionist Israel, are soldiers or police allowed to use deadly force against children throwing stones?"?

Answer...

NOWHERE!

rocks are used to kill. that is deadly force. Israel take action to protect its citizens from attacks.

I've no objection to stone throwers being arrested, tried and imprisoned if found guilty. What I and many, many others object to, is the "unofficial death sentences" meted out by the IDF; extra-judicial killings as the media puts it.

Speaking of extra judicial killings, it's the Palestinian savages who commit terror on innocent civilians or shoot rockets at populated Israeli cities that most guilty of this barbarism that is rampant in the Muslim world today. You have no leg to stand on when it comes to "unofficial death sentences" meted out by Islamist Palestinian animals on Israeli women and children. The rock throwing is just an extension of their depraved culture of terror and hate.

Jewish savages of the ZioNazi persuasion are doing most of the murdering of women and children in Palestine. It is the ZioNazi depraved culture of terror and hate of the non-Jew that is the problem.

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Forgive me for saying so, but this post clearly shows you've lost your ever lovin' mind.

My only question to you is this:

Why conflate the Jews with the people who tried to wipe them from the face of the Earth? I mean, seriously?

Seriously? Besides the limits placed upon Israel (not as powerful as Germany was) in terms of being able to get away with murdering more than a few thousand Palestinians at a time, how much different were the Nazis vis-a-vis the Jews and the Zionists vis-a-vis the Christians and Muslims of Palestine? The Palestinians are penned in gulags controlled and guarded by Jew guards.

Holocaust survivor and author Primo Levi said it best when he said:


"Everyone has their Jews. For the Israelis they are the Palestinians."


From Albert Einstein to Noam Chomsky: famous Jews who have opposed Israel

 

[Roudy]

Challenger, Roudy, et al,

I think your mistaken.

The meter says it all. This has been debunked so many times, but Rude-ee, having lost the argument tries to deflect everything towards the Mufti. Watch and wait, he'll bring up the Farhud next...

(COMMENT)

There were several 1948 era Arab Palestinian Leaders that had close ties to the NAZI Regime. I've made comments of this effect before now. Exactly what did "Roudy" say that you believe was inaccurate?

Most Respectfully,
R

rocks are used to kill. that is deadly force. Israel take action to protect its citizens from attacks.

I've no objection to stone throwers being arrested, tried and imprisoned if found guilty. What I and many, many others object to, is the "unofficial death sentences" meted out by the IDF; extra-judicial killings as the media puts it.

Speaking of extra judicial killings, it's the Palestinian savages who commit terror on innocent civilians or shoot rockets at populated Israeli cities that most guilty of this barbarism that is rampant in the Muslim world today. You have no leg to stand on when it comes to "unofficial death sentences" meted out by Islamist Palestinian animals on Israeli women and children. The rock throwing is just an extension of their depraved culture of terror and hate.

Jewish savages of the ZioNazi persuasion are doing most of the murdering of women and children in Palestine. It is the ZioNazi depraved culture of terror and hate of the non-Jew that is the problem.

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Forgive me for saying so, but this post clearly shows you've lost your ever lovin' mind.

My only question to you is this:

Why conflate the Jews with the people who tried to wipe them from the face of the Earth? I mean, seriously?

Seriously? Besides the limits placed upon Israel (not as powerful as Germany was) in terms of being able to get away with murdering more than a few thousand Palestinians at a time, how much different were the Nazis vis-a-vis the Jews and the Zionists vis-a-vis the Christians and Muslims of Palestine? The Palestinians are penned in gulags controlled and guarded by Jew guards.

Holocaust survivor and author Primo Levi said it best when he said:


"Everyone has their Jews. For the Israelis they are the Palestinians."


From Albert Einstein to Noam Chomsky: famous Jews who have opposed Israel

Actually it was the Arab leaders who put the so called Palestinians in "camps" aka West Bank and Gaza, for 20 years after their attempt to destroy the Jewish state in 1948 failed. Palestinians and other Arab leaders of the time have confirmed this. The Palestinians then joined their Arab brethren and used those same territories to attack Israel, and failed again. Now, the so called Palestinians who never asked for their "Palestine" when it was under Jordanian or Egyptian control for 20 years, are complaining about loosing land that never belonged to them, because their Arab brethren failed to prosecute the Nazi Palestinian Mufti's wishes of committing genocide on the Jews in the Middle East in 48 and 67.

 

[Roudy]

Challenger, Roudy, et al,

I think your mistaken.

The meter says it all. This has been debunked so many times, but Rude-ee, having lost the argument tries to deflect everything towards the Mufti. Watch and wait, he'll bring up the Farhud next...

(COMMENT)

There were several 1948 era Arab Palestinian Leaders that had close ties to the NAZI Regime. I've made comments of this effect before now. Exactly what did "Roudy" say that you believe was inaccurate?

Most Respectfully,
R

Nice bit of copy and paste that failed to answer the question!

"Where, other than in Zionist Israel, are soldiers or police allowed to use deadly force against children throwing stones?"?

Answer...

NOWHERE!

rocks are used to kill. that is deadly force. Israel take action to protect its citizens from attacks.

I've no objection to stone throwers being arrested, tried and imprisoned if found guilty. What I and many, many others object to, is the "unofficial death sentences" meted out by the IDF; extra-judicial killings as the media puts it.

Speaking of extra judicial killings, it's the Palestinian savages who commit terror on innocent civilians or shoot rockets at populated Israeli cities that most guilty of this barbarism that is rampant in the Muslim world today. You have no leg to stand on when it comes to "unofficial death sentences" meted out by Islamist Palestinian animals on Israeli women and children. The rock throwing is just an extension of their depraved culture of terror and hate.

Jewish savages of the ZioNazi persuasion are doing most of the murdering of women and children in Palestine. It is the ZioNazi depraved culture of terror and hate of the non-Jew that is the problem.

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Forgive me for saying so, but this post clearly shows you've lost your ever lovin' mind.

My only question to you is this:

Why conflate the Jews with the people who tried to wipe them from the face of the Earth? I mean, seriously?

It's an old tactic called turnspeak Arab Muslims learned from their friends the Nazis, which is, accuse the other of things you are most guilty of. And this mentally ill Jew hating convert to Islam is no exception.

 

[Phoenall]

The Palestinian claim to Jerusalem can no longer be viewed with any legitimacy. You often hear of Palestinians claiming Jews have no roots, and therefore no claim to Jerusalem. But in September a 10 year old Russian tourist Matvei Tcepliaev discovered a stone seal at the Temple Mount from the time of David; which made clear once and for all Jews do have historical roots, and thus a superior claim to the city of Jerusalem. All he had to do was sift through some dirt.

The seal was dated to be some 3000 years old, to the time of King David's conquest of Jerusalem, and the building of the First Temple by his son, and heir, Solomon. This means that Jews were present in Jerusalem at least 1000 years before Muslims built The Dome of The Rock there, also meaning Jews were most likely present there for a longer time before that.

This also confirms numerous Biblical passages regarding Jerusalem in the 10th Century BC. Palestinians and pro-Palestinian supporters have long since tried to conceal that fact. All their arguments and revisionism have been soundly routed.

I also can't help but chuckle at the fact that Muslims in their attempt to hide this damning evidence unwittingly led to it's discovery!

A Boy’s Discovery Rebuts Temple Mount Revisionism

(Take in mind that you can read this link in it's entirety once, if you leave that page and attempt to reenter, the story will be cut off, with the site asking you to subscribe to the WSJ to read it again. The link below will confirm the story presented in this OP and in the article above.)

Special Media Release: Rare 3,000-Year-Old Seal Discovered within Earth Discarded from Temple Mount

Was he arrested? Did Israeli authorities enforce the new law? Anyone who picks up a rock, is treated as a potential terrorist?

Somebody should've shot his ass and place a knife next to his dying corpse!

That is the custom in Israel these days, is it not?

In fact, I think they should dig up the remains of King David and throw them in a Bedouin detention center in the middle of the Negev desert.

No they followed the old rule and arrested him hard, very hard, so he could face trial for his crime as an object lesson to his fellow terrorists. When they see him crying like a baby at the thought of being Abdul the donkey's new bitch then they might have a change of heart

 

[Phoenall]

The Palestinian claim to Jerusalem can no longer be viewed with any legitimacy. You often hear of Palestinians claiming Jews have no roots, and therefore no claim to Jerusalem. But in September a 10 year old Russian tourist Matvei Tcepliaev discovered a stone seal at the Temple Mount from the time of David; which made clear once and for all Jews do have historical roots, and thus a superior claim to the city of Jerusalem. All he had to do was sift through some dirt.

The seal was dated to be some 3000 years old, to the time of King David's conquest of Jerusalem, and the building of the First Temple by his son, and heir, Solomon. This means that Jews were present in Jerusalem at least 1000 years before Muslims built The Dome of The Rock there, also meaning Jews were most likely present there for a longer time before that.

This also confirms numerous Biblical passages regarding Jerusalem in the 10th Century BC. Palestinians and pro-Palestinian supporters have long since tried to conceal that fact. All their arguments and revisionism have been soundly routed.

I also can't help but chuckle at the fact that Muslims in their attempt to hide this damning evidence unwittingly led to it's discovery!

A Boy’s Discovery Rebuts Temple Mount Revisionism

(Take in mind that you can read this link in it's entirety once, if you leave that page and attempt to reenter, the story will be cut off, with the site asking you to subscribe to the WSJ to read it again. The link below will confirm the story presented in this OP and in the article above.)

Special Media Release: Rare 3,000-Year-Old Seal Discovered within Earth Discarded from Temple Mount

Was he arrested? Did Israeli authorities enforce the new law? Anyone who picks up a rock, is treated as a potential terrorist?

Somebody should've shot his ass and place a knife next to his dying corpse!

That is the custom in Israel these days, is it not?

In fact, I think they should dig up the remains of King David and throw them in a Bedouin detention center in the middle of the Negev desert.

No they followed the old rule and arrested him hard, very hard, so he could face trial for his crime as an object lesson to his fellow terrorists. When they see him crying like a baby at the thought of being Abdul the donkey's new bitch then they might have a change of heart

 

[Challenger]

Challenger, Roudy, et al,

I think your mistaken.

The meter says it all. This has been debunked so many times, but Rude-ee, having lost the argument tries to deflect everything towards the Mufti. Watch and wait, he'll bring up the Farhud next...

(COMMENT)

There were several 1948 era Arab Palestinian Leaders that had close ties to the NAZI Regime. I've made comments of this effect before now. Exactly what did "Roudy" say that you believe was inaccurate?

Most Respectfully,
R

...and now RoccoR joins in the deflection attempt.

As you are one of the few pro-Israelis worth taking seriously, I'll say this. Roudy's cited article "Catholic Answers" sources authors who are more Zionist polemicists that historians.

David Dalin is an American Rabbi and academic, yet he choses to co-author a book with a radio talk show host John Rothmann. The book "Icon of Evil: Hitler's Mufti and the Rise of Radical Islam" has been slated by critics from all parts of the political and academic spectrum including the Jerusalem Post.

Zvi Epeleg was an IDF miliraty governor in Palestine and during the Lebanon Occupation and later a diplomat, so the book "The Grand Mufti: Haj Amin Al-Hussaini, Founder of the Palestinian National Movement" needs to be treated with a healthy skepticism.

Chuck Morse is another talk show host and journalist as well as being a self confessed right-wing extremist. Not the most objective source, especially as he uses information from Derschowitz' "The case for Israel", Daniel Pipe's Jihad watch and Carl Savic's "Serbianna" website; (another of Roudy's favourite sites) used by his other favourite Mufti citation, "Tell the Children the truth" website which he no longer seems to use, maybe because I comprehensively demolished it in another thread.

Lastly we come to Moshe Perlman's "Mufti of Jerusalem" an interesting work which largely draws it's information and sources from an earlier work "The Mufti over the Middle East" by Moshe Waters. No big deal, until you discover that Perlman and Waters are the same person. This makes him intellectually dishonest in my view and a dubious source at best; maybe he's trying to double his royalities?

An article based on such sources should be treated with healthy skepicism. I won't go into the wild inaccuracies regarding the 13th SS Mountain Division, you'll have to find my previous posts on this subject.

 

[Roudy]

Give it all the skepticism you want, the Mufti was a bloodthirsty Nazi. This is been corroborated by historians and documented evidence.

Opening the Files on War Crimes

More importantly, the files covered former Nazis employed for Cold War intelligence and suspected Japanese war criminals. Most significant may be the files on the fate of Raoul Wallenberg, whose efforts saved over 20,000 Hungarian Jews, and on Amin el Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, who collaborated with Eichmann on the destruction of the European Jews.

 

[Roudy]

(November 28, 1941)
Haj Amin al-Husseini, the influential leader of the Arabs in Palestine, moved to Germany during World War II and met Adolf Hitler, Joachim von Ribbentrop, Heinrich Himmler and other Nazi leaders in an attempt to coordinate Nazi and Arab policies in the Middle East. The following is a record of a conversation between the Fuhrer and al-Husseini in the Presence of Reich Foreign Minister and Minister Grobba in Berlin.


The Grand Mufti began by thanking the Fuhrer for the great honor he had bestowed by receiving him. He wished to seize the opportunity to convey to the Fuhrer of the Greater German Reich, admired by the entire Arab world, his thanks for the sympathy which he had always shown for the Arab and especially the Palestinian cause, and to which he had given clear espressos in his public speeches. The Arab countries were firmly convinced that Germany would win the war and that the Arab cause would then prosper: The Arabs were Germany's natural friends because they had the same enemies as had Germany, namely the English, the Jews, and the Communists. They were therefore prepared to cooperate with Germany with all their hearts and stood ready to participate in the war, not only negatively by the commission of acts of sabotage and the instigation of revolutions, but also positively by the formation of an Arab Legion. The Arabs could he more useful to Germany as allies than might he apparent at first glance, both for geographical reasons and because of the suffering inflicted upon them by the English and the Jews. Furthermore, they had had close relations with all Moslem nations, of which they could make use in behalf of the common cause. The Arab Legion would he quite easy to raise. An appeal by the Mufti to the Arab countries and the prisoners of Arab, Algerian,Tunisian, and Moroccan nationality in Germany would produce a great number of volunteers eager to fight. Of Germany's victory the Arab world was firmly convinced, not only because the Reich possessed a large army, brave soldiers, and military leaders of genius, but also because the Almighty could never award the victory to an unjust cause.

In this struggle, the Arabs were striving for the independence and unity of Palestine, Syria and Iraq. They had the fullest confidence in the Fuhrer and looked to his hand for the balm on their wounds which had been inflicted upon them by the enemies of Germany.

The Mufti then mentioned the letter he had received from Germany, which stated that Germany was holding no Arab territories and understood and recognized the aspirations to independence and freedom of the Arabs, just as she supported the elimination of the Jewish national home.

A public declaration in this sense would be very useful for its propagandistic effect on the Arab peoples at this moment. It would rouse the Arabs from their momentary lethargy and give them new courage. It would also ease the Mufti's work of secretly organizing the Arabs against the moment when they could strike. At the same time, he could give the assurance that the Arabs would in strict discipline patiently wait for the right moment and only strike upon an order from Berlin.

With regard to the events in Iraq, the Mufti observed that the Arabs in that country certainly had by no means been incited by Germany to attack England, but solely had acted in reaction to a direct English assault upon their honor.

The Turks, he believed, would welcome the establishment of' an Arab government in the neighboring territories because they would prefer weaker Arab to strong European governments in the neighboring countries, and, being themselves a nation of 7 million, they had moreover nothing to fear from the 1.700,000 Arabs inhabiting Syria. Transjordan, Iraq. and Palestine.

France likewise would have no objections to the unification plan because she had conceded independence to Syria as early as 1936 and had given her approval to the unification of Iraq and Syria under King Faisal as early as 1933.

In these circumstances he was renewing his request that the Fuhrer make a public declaration so that the Arabs would not lose hope, which is so powerful a force in the life of nations. With such hope in their hearts the Arabs, as lie had said, were willing to wait. They were not pressing for immediate realization of their aspirations: they could easily wait half a year or a whole year. But if they were not inspired with such a hope by a declaration of this sort, it could be expected that the English would be the gainers from it.

The Fuhrer replied that Germany's fundamental attitude on these questions, as the Mufti himself had already stated. was clear. Germany stood for uncompromising war against the Jews. That naturally included active opposition to the Jewish national home in Palestine. which was nothing other than a center, in the form of a state, for the exercise of destructive influence by Jewish interests. Germany was also aware that the assertion that the Jews were carrying out the function of economic pioneers in Palestine was a lie. The work there was done only by the Arabs, not by the Jews. Germany was resolved, step by step, to ask one European nation after the other to solve its Jewish problem, and at the proper time direct a similar appeal to non-European nations as well.

Germany was at the present time engaged in a life and death struggle with two citadels of Jewish power: Great Britain and Soviet Russia. Theoretically there was a difference between England's capitalism and Soviet Russia's communism: actually, however, the Jews in both countries were pursuing a common goal. This was the decisive struggle: on the political plane, it presented itself in the main as a conflict between Germany and England, but ideologically it was a battle between National Socialism and the Jews. It went without saying that Germany would furnish positive and practical aid to the Arabs involved in the same struggle, because platonic promises were useless in a war for survival or destruction in which the Jews were able to mobilize all of England's power for their ends.

The aid to the Arabs would have to be material aid. Of how little help sympathies alone were in such a battle had been demonstrated plainly by the operation in Iraq, where circumstances had not permitted the rendering of really effective, practical aid. In spite of all the sympathies. German aid had not been sufficient and Iraq was overcome by the power of Britain, that is, the guardian of the Jews.

The Mufti could not but he aware, however. that the outcome of the struggle going on at present would also decide the fate of the Arab world. The Fuhrer therefore had to think and speak coolly and deliberately, as a rational man and primarily as a soldier, as the leader of the German and allied armies. Everything of a nature to help in this titanic battle for the common cause, and thus also for the Arabs. would have to he done. Anything, however, that might contribute to weakening the military situation must be put aside, no matter hose unpopular this move might be.

Germany was now engaged in a very severe battles to force the gateway to the northern Caucasus region. The difficulties were mainly with regard to maintaining the supply. Which was most difficult as a result of the destruction of railroads and highways as well as of the oncoming winter. If at such a moment, the Fuhrer were to raise the problem of Syria in a declaration, those elements in France which were under de Gaulle's influence would receive new strength. They would interpret the Fuhrer's declaration as an intention to break up France's colonial empire and appeal to their fellow countrymen that they should rather make common cause with the English to try to save what still could be saved. A German declaration regarding Syria would in France he understood to refer to the French colonies in general, and that would at the present time create new troubles in western Europe, which means that a portion of the German armed forces would be immobilized in the west and no longer he available for the campaign in the east.

The Fuhrer then made the following statement to the Mufti. enjoining him to lock it in the uttermost depths of his heart:

1. He (the Fuhrer) would carry on the battle to the total destruction of the Judeo-Communist empire in Europe.

2. At some moment which was impossible to set exactly today but which in any event was not distant, the German armies would in the course of this struggle reach the southern exit from Caucasia.

3. As soon as this had happened, the Fuhrer would on his own give the Arab world the assurance that its hour of liberation had arrived. Germany's objective would then be solely the destruction of the Jewish element residing in the Arab sphere under the protection of British power. In that hour the Mufti would be the most authoritative spokesman for the Arab world. It would then be his task to set off the Arab operations which he had secretly prepared. When that time had come. Germany could also he indifferent to French reaction to such a declaration.

Once Germany had forced open the road to Iran and Iraq through Rostov, it would he also the beginning of the end of the British world empire. He (the Fuhrer) hoped that the coming year would make it possible for Germany to thrust open the Caucasian gate to the Middle East. For the good of their common cause. it would he better if the Arab proclamation were put off for a few more months than if Germany were to create difficulties for herself without being able thereby to help the Arabs.

He (the Fuhrer) fully appreciated the eagerness of the Arabs for a public declaration of the sort requested by the Grand Mufti. But he would beg him to consider that he (the Fuhrer) himself was the Chief of State of the German Reich for five long years during which he was unable to make to his own homeland the announcement of its liberation. He had to wait with that until the announcement could be made on the basis of a situation brought about by the force of arms that the Anschluss had been carried out.

The moment that Germany's tank divisions and air squadrons had made their appearance south of the Caucasus, the public appeal requested by the Grand Mufti could go out to the Arab world.

The Grand Mufti replied that it was his view that everything would come to pass just as the Fiihrer had indicated. He was fully reassured and satisfied by the words which he had heard from the Chief of the German State. He asked, however, whether it would not be possible. secretly at least, to enter into an agreement with Germany of the kind he had just outlined for the Fuhrer.

The Fuhrer replied that he had just now given the Grand Mufti precisely that confidential declaration.

The Grand Mufti thanked him for it and stated in conclusion that he was taking his leave from the Fuhrer in full confidence and with reiterated thanks for the interest shown in the Arab cause.

Sources: Walter Laqueur and Barry Rubin, ed, The Israel-Arab Reader, (New York, NY: Penguin Books, 2001)

 

[montelatici]

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[Billo_Really]

You made it clear in Coyote's thread that you do, Billo. I believe the term was "white trash."

Want a recap?

The term was "white trash settlers".

I didn't say anything about Jews.

Why do you think I would hate them?

 

[Phoenall]

You made it clear in Coyote's thread that you do, Billo. I believe the term was "white trash."

Want a recap?

The term was "white trash settlers".

I didn't say anything about Jews.

Why do you think I would hate them?

Because the nuns and priests poisoned your mind against them and claimed that they murdered your God.

 

[Roudy]

Quit spamming Ruffles. Nobody reads your cut and paste propaganda.

Said the troll who posts the same five irrelevant documents and has the same bullshit propaganda as an answer to every thing that's posted on this forum.