Bull Ring ding: Does work in physics require motion

[edthecynic]

It has been proven by a repeatable experiment that ENERGY is eternal.

And eventually unusable.

Please link to an experiment that confirms your lie.

It's called the Second Law of Thermodynamics. The universe is constantly losing usable energy and never gaining.

LIAR!
The REAL SLoT:

Too bad you don’t know what it means.

Projection.

 

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This we do not see so the universe logically had a beginning.

But NOT energy.

By extension it does.

No it doesn't.

Ed the janitor has spoken.

I think I will side with Alexander Vilenkin and Stephen Hawking.

All you have is name dropping of people you don't understand.

Do you understand what Vilenkin was saying in this video, Ed?

 

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And eventually unusable.

Please link to an experiment that confirms your lie.

It's called the Second Law of Thermodynamics. The universe is constantly losing usable energy and never gaining.

LIAR!
The REAL SLoT:

Too bad you don’t know what it means.

Projection.

If you understood what it meant then you would be able to understand what Vilenkin said in this video, Ed.

 

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[Harry Dresden]

i got to give both you guys a thumbs up just for carrying this on this long....most of these debates are like 2-3 replies, from people not in the debate....

 

[edthecynic]

But NOT energy.

By extension it does.

No it doesn't.

Ed the janitor has spoken.

I think I will side with Alexander Vilenkin and Stephen Hawking.

All you have is name dropping of people you don't understand.

Do you understand what Vilenkin was saying in this video, Ed?

You obviously don't!!!!

 

[edthecynic]

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Hey, dumbass, the SLoT is an EQUATION, not a MEME!!!!!
You can't MEME away the "OR EQUAL TO ZERO" part, you need to show the mathematics of how you eliminated the "or equal to zero" part.

 

[edthecynic]

WOW! A video of MEMES and no math!!
Why am I not surprised?
And I love how the Creationist idiots said the universe will be reduced to nothing but photons and photons can do no work and therefore are useless energy.

The Compton effect
Although photons have no mass, they do have momentum, given by:

 

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Hey, dumbass, the SLoT is an EQUATION, not a MEME!!!!!
You can't MEME away the "OR EQUAL TO ZERO" part, you need to show the mathematics of how you eliminated the "or equal to zero" part.

Or the change part.

As in it never ever decreases. It only increases. And usable energy will only ever decrease. You just can't get around the math.

 

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WOW! A video of MEMES and no math!!
Why am I not surprised?
And I love how the Creationist idiots said the universe will be reduced to nothing but photons and photons can do no work and therefore are useless energy.

The Compton effect
Although photons have no mass, they do have momentum, given by:

And does not change the fact that entropy increases and usable energy decreases.

 

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By extension it does.

No it doesn't.

Ed the janitor has spoken.

I think I will side with Alexander Vilenkin and Stephen Hawking.

All you have is name dropping of people you don't understand.

Do you understand what Vilenkin was saying in this video, Ed?

You obviously don't!!!!

I agree with Vilenkin, Ed. How about you?

"There is another way that the universe might be eternal in the past. It could have cycled through an infinite succession of expansions and contractions. This notion was briefly popular in the 1930s, but was then abandoned because of its apparent conflict with the second law of thermodynamics. The second law requires that entropy should increase in each cycle of cosmic evolution. If the universe had already completed an infinite number of cycles, it would have reached a state of thermal equilibrium, and so a state of maximum entropy. All the energy of ordered motion would have turned into heat, a uniform temperature prevailing throughout.

We do not find ourselves in such a state." Alexander Vilenkin

 

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Today, we see galaxies rushing away from us in every direction, suggesting that, if you could press the rewind button on the entire universe, the whole thing would screech to a halt at a moment about 13.7 billion years in the past, when the entire cosmos was apparently compressed into a singularity—an infinitely small, dense point.

“How does the universe begin from such a state?” asks Alexander Vilenkin, a theoretical physicist at Tufts University. Indeed, the laws of physics as we know them break down around singularities, so physicists have devised a number of ways to sidestep the singularity problem.

One possibility is that the universe is cyclic: Every Big Bang expansion is followed by a contraction, ending in a “Big Crunch” from which a new Big Bang emerges, and so on and so on in an infinite series that extends eternally into the past and future. The idea was first proposed centuries ago, but received a fresh take from the physicists Paul Steinhardt and Neil Turok in 2002. There is a problem with this elegant idea, though: the second law of thermodynamics, which states that the total amount of disorder or entropy in a system increases over time—the party-pooper law that prevents the existence of perpetual motion machines. A universe that experienced repeated cycles of expansion and contraction would have get more and more disordered over time until it began completely disordered, something we do not see in our universe. One way to avoid such increasing entropy would be for the volume of the cosmos to increase with each cycle. However, if one ran this scenario backward in time, one would still be forced to conclude the universe began with a singularity.


If our Big Bang wasn’t preceded by a Big Crunch, perhaps our universe instead existed as kind of dormant seed—“like a cosmic egg,” says Vilenkin—before suddenly breaking open in the Big Bang. But here, too, there is a problem: In the uncertain world of quantum physics, the “egg” couldn’t stay stable forever. It would have expanded and contracted and could have even collapsed into nothingness. “This means it couldn’t have existed forever in the past,” Vilenkin said, findings he and his student Audrey Mithani detailed in the January issue of the Journal of Cosmology and Astroparticle Physics.

In the Beginning - The Nature of Reality — The Nature of Reality | PBS

 

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The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that "in all energy exchanges, if no energy enters or leaves the system, the potential energy of the state will always be less than that of the initialstate."

LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS

 

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So as time approaches infinity, useable energy approaches zero. This we do not see. So the universe must have had a beginning.

 

[edthecynic]

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Hey, dumbass, the SLoT is an EQUATION, not a MEME!!!!!
You can't MEME away the "OR EQUAL TO ZERO" part, you need to show the mathematics of how you eliminated the "or equal to zero" part.

Or the change part.

As in it never ever decreases. It only increases. And usable energy will only ever decrease. You just can't get around the math.

When entropy equals zero it does NOT increase!!! Putting the lie to your fake SLoT.
You have no math to eliminate the fact that entropy CAN equal zero!

 

[edthecynic]

So as time approaches infinity, useable energy approaches zero. This we do not see. So the universe must have had a beginning.

So usable energy has no end by your OWN statement!!!!!

Time can NEVER reach infinity, if it did then time would be finite!!!!! You yourself admit that it would take an infinite amount of time for usable energy to reach zero.

 

[edthecynic]

The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that "in all energy exchanges, if no energy enters or leaves the system, the potential energy of the state will always be less than that of the initialstate."

LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS

If your fake SLoT were true, then no matter could exist. Your fake definition does not conform to the equation of the REAL SLoT.

 

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View attachment 216129

Hey, dumbass, the SLoT is an EQUATION, not a MEME!!!!!
You can't MEME away the "OR EQUAL TO ZERO" part, you need to show the mathematics of how you eliminated the "or equal to zero" part.

Or the change part.

As in it never ever decreases. It only increases. And usable energy will only ever decrease. You just can't get around the math.

When entropy equals zero it does NOT increase!!! Putting the lie to your fake SLoT.
You have no math to eliminate the fact that entropy CAN equal zero!

Entropy increases every time usable energy is decreased which is all the fucking time. I just decreased the usable energy in the universe by typing this reply.

 

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The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that "in all energy exchanges, if no energy enters or leaves the system, the potential energy of the state will always be less than that of the initialstate."

LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS

If your fake SLoT were true, then no matter could exist. Your fake definition does not conform to the equation of the REAL SLoT.

Wrong. That is an idiotic conclusion. Entropy was zero before the universe began to expand and cool. Since that time it has only increased.

The above equation is saying entropy cannot decrease. That’s all.