Bull Ring ding: Does work in physics require motion

[eagle1462010]

When equilibrium is reached.............no more work is being done.........any type of heat or cold induced thermodynamics cause molecules to move..........

At equilibrium no work is being done.........Thermo requires heat or cold to perform the action. 2 objects at the same temperature does no work.

And when the universe reaches a spatially uniform temperature it has reached a maximum state of disorder and entropy, right?

Who would care..............there would be no life in the universe if all the heat in the universe was gone......

I don't see the Sun going away anytime soon...........nor every star in the Universe.......what's the point of it.

Proving Ed is a dumbshit?

It is a hypothesis according to the net............and something that will never happen.......or you could say in our life times......

If the sun goes we are gone anyway.

Long before the sun supernovas our core will go cold. Good bye magnetic field. Hello radiation.

It isn't a hypothesis on the net. It is a consequence of the SLoT. Short of energy being added to the system, you can absolutely count on it.

But yes, we are talking about trillions upon trillions of years.

So..........don't worry about it then.

 

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If Ed is a physicist, I will eat my hat.

 

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And when the universe reaches a spatially uniform temperature it has reached a maximum state of disorder and entropy, right?

Who would care..............there would be no life in the universe if all the heat in the universe was gone......

I don't see the Sun going away anytime soon...........nor every star in the Universe.......what's the point of it.

Proving Ed is a dumbshit?

It is a hypothesis according to the net............and something that will never happen.......or you could say in our life times......

If the sun goes we are gone anyway.

Long before the sun supernovas our core will go cold. Good bye magnetic field. Hello radiation.

It isn't a hypothesis on the net. It is a consequence of the SLoT. Short of energy being added to the system, you can absolutely count on it.

But yes, we are talking about trillions upon trillions of years.

So..........don't worry about it then.

I'm not.

 

[westwall]

You do know that in physics "usable energy" is energy that can do WORK!.

In the conversation of can the universe have existed forever, the only thing that matters is that each exchange between matter and energy and energy and matter reduces the usable energy because the process is not perfectly efficient. Do this enough times and you reach maximum disorder or entropy and there is no more usable energy.

This is the reason cyclical universes have been rejected.

Again you dishonestly substitute universe for energy, which tells me deep down in your gut you know energy can neither be created nor destroyed, but you ate not honest enough to admit it.
Thank you.

Space and time were created with a finite amount of energy.

Do you agree or disagree?

The correct answer is agree

That depends on which cosmological theory you hold to. I understand you are trying to keep it simple for ed here, but the reality is based on the instrumentation we have, and the observations that we have made your statement is factual, however, as our instruments, processes, and observational abilities improve that theory may no longer be tenable.

Yes, I'm assuming that the universe is a closed/isolated system where no additional energy is added to the system.

Because otherwise we have one more thing we would have to explain. What added the additional energy.

Is there something else I am missing?

Nope. Not that I can think of off the top of my head.

 

[edthecynic]

You do know that in physics "usable energy" is energy that can do WORK!.

In the conversation of can the universe have existed forever, the only thing that matters is that each exchange between matter and energy and energy and matter reduces the usable energy because the process is not perfectly efficient. Do this enough times and you reach maximum disorder or entropy and there is no more usable energy.

This is the reason cyclical universes have been rejected.

Again you dishonestly substitute universe for energy, which tells me deep down in your gut you know energy can neither be created nor destroyed, but you ate not honest enough to admit it.
Thank you.

Conversions from matter to energy and energy to matter are not 100% efficient.

Do you agree or disagree?

The correct answer is agree.

That implies that entropy cannot equal zero which violates the SLoT.

I don't believe it does imply that. Entropy was zero at the beginning of time when the universe was perfectly ordered.

It means that there are no perfect conversions. That some heat is lost in the process. Why do you believe it implies that entropy cannot equal zero. Certainly after the universe began expanding and cooling entropy was always greater than zero.

First of all, the SLoT is the CHANGE in entropy can equal zero!!!!! Proving you just make shit up out of the blue to suit whatever lie you are pushing. And when called on it, rather than show the math for your false claims, you name drop sombody and say they agree with you and argue with them.

 

[edthecynic]

Matter and energy are equivalent.

Do you agree or disagree?

The correct answer is agree.

Actually it is MASS and energy that are equivalent, but knowing nothing about physics you wouldn't know that.

Same difference. Matter is mass.

And there you go again, making shit up again, matter has mass and takes up space, so mass is one property of matter. In physics words have one meaning and one meaning only, therefore while mass, density, weight and volume are all properties of matter, they are not individually the same or interchangeable with matter.

Like I have said, the more you post, the more you show you lack even a grammar school knowledge of science, and merely cut and paste what you know nothing about.

 

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In the conversation of can the universe have existed forever, the only thing that matters is that each exchange between matter and energy and energy and matter reduces the usable energy because the process is not perfectly efficient. Do this enough times and you reach maximum disorder or entropy and there is no more usable energy.

This is the reason cyclical universes have been rejected.

Again you dishonestly substitute universe for energy, which tells me deep down in your gut you know energy can neither be created nor destroyed, but you ate not honest enough to admit it.
Thank you.

Conversions from matter to energy and energy to matter are not 100% efficient.

Do you agree or disagree?

The correct answer is agree.

That implies that entropy cannot equal zero which violates the SLoT.

I don't believe it does imply that. Entropy was zero at the beginning of time when the universe was perfectly ordered.

It means that there are no perfect conversions. That some heat is lost in the process. Why do you believe it implies that entropy cannot equal zero. Certainly after the universe began expanding and cooling entropy was always greater than zero.

First of all, the SLoT is the CHANGE in entropy can equal zero!!!!! Proving you just make shit up out of the blue to suit whatever lie you are pushing. And when called on it, rather than show the math for your false claims, you name drop sombody and say they agree with you and argue with them.

Ed, you are all fur coat and no knickers. You know less than nothing. I proved that here.

 

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Matter and energy are equivalent.

Do you agree or disagree?

The correct answer is agree.

Actually it is MASS and energy that are equivalent, but knowing nothing about physics you wouldn't know that.

Same difference. Matter is mass.

And there you go again, making shit up again, matter has mass and takes up space, so mass is one property of matter. In physics words have one meaning and one meaning only, therefore while mass, density, weight and volume are all properties of matter, they are not individually the same or interchangeable with matter.

Like I have said, the more you post, the more you show you lack even a grammar school knowledge of science, and merely cut and paste what you know nothing about.

Ed, you are dumber than dirt.

 

[edthecynic]

When equilibrium is reached.............no more work is being done.........any type of heat or cold induced thermodynamics cause molecules to move..........

At equilibrium no work is being done.........Thermo requires heat or cold to perform the action. 2 objects at the same temperature does no work.

And DYNAMICS requires motion to perform work. Objects at the same temperature can and do move as long as that temperature is not absolute zero, which is a temperature that is not attainable in reality, only in theory.

Our conversation was never about work. That is you avoiding the conversation.

Thermodynamics and especially thermodynamic equilibrium are all about work even if you are too stupid to know it or too stubborn to admit it.

 

[edthecynic]

Since the universe was created with a finite amount of energy if you do an infinite number of matter to energy conversions and energy to matter conversions the useable energy within the universe will eventually be all used up.

Do you agree or disagree?

The correct answer is agree.

Your rant fell apart when you violated the SLoT.

You never disagreed with anything. I win. Game over.

 

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When equilibrium is reached.............no more work is being done.........any type of heat or cold induced thermodynamics cause molecules to move..........

At equilibrium no work is being done.........Thermo requires heat or cold to perform the action. 2 objects at the same temperature does no work.

And DYNAMICS requires motion to perform work. Objects at the same temperature can and do move as long as that temperature is not absolute zero, which is a temperature that is not attainable in reality, only in theory.

Our conversation was never about work. That is you avoiding the conversation.

Thermodynamics and especially thermodynamic equilibrium are all about work even if you are too stupid to know it or too stubborn to admit it.

Too late. I have already exposed your ignorance. Everyone is laughing at you, Ed.

 

[edthecynic]

When equilibrium is reached.............no more work is being done.........any type of heat or cold induced thermodynamics cause molecules to move..........

At equilibrium no work is being done.........Thermo requires heat or cold to perform the action. 2 objects at the same temperature does no work.

And DYNAMICS requires motion to perform work. Objects at the same temperature can and do move as long as that temperature is not absolute zero, which is a temperature that is not attainable in reality, only in theory.

They aren't doing any work, Ed. They can't.

Temperature is spatially uniform. No heat is flowing.

Maximum entropy has been reached.

Heat does NOT do work, idiot!
Kinetic energy, the energy of motion does all the work in physics!
And you have the gall to call anyone else scientifically ignorant!!!!!

 

[edthecynic]

When equilibrium is reached.............no more work is being done.........any type of heat or cold induced thermodynamics cause molecules to move..........

At equilibrium no work is being done.........Thermo requires heat or cold to perform the action. 2 objects at the same temperature does no work.

And DYNAMICS requires motion to perform work. Objects at the same temperature can and do move as long as that temperature is not absolute zero, which is a temperature that is not attainable in reality, only in theory.

Our conversation was never about work. That is you avoiding the conversation.

Thermodynamics and especially thermodynamic equilibrium are all about work even if you are too stupid to know it or too stubborn to admit it.

Too late. I have already exposed your ignorance. Everyone is laughing at you, Ed.

Pure projection!

 

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My next debate will be about who is dumber: Edthecynic or Mr. Ed the horse.

 

[edthecynic]

If Ed is a physicist, I will eat my hat.

Start eating!

 

[edthecynic]

My next debate will be about who is dumber: Edthecynic or Mr. Ed the horse.

Your surrender is accepted.
Thank you.

 

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George Bernard Shaw was a eugenicist and a Fabian Socialist.

Ed practices critical theory like a good little Fabian.

 

[edthecynic]

George Bernard Shaw was a eugenicist and a Fabian Socialist.

Ed practices critical theory like a good little Fabian.

That deflection makes your surrender complete!
Thank you again.

 

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George Bernard Shaw was a eugenicist and a Fabian Socialist.

Ed practices critical theory like a good little Fabian.

That deflection makes your surrender complete!
Thank you again.

Deflection? I described your debating method.

 

[edthecynic]

George Bernard Shaw was a eugenicist and a Fabian Socialist.

Ed practices critical theory like a good little Fabian.

That deflection makes your surrender complete!
Thank you again.

Deflection? I described your debating method.

Of course it is deflection, and all it shows is you are a liar made in the image of your God. It also shows you as little about Shavian Eugenics as you do about science. Shaw mocked eugenicists and created his own version where women create the "Superman" by the choices they make in who they marry. You get your Shavian Eugenics from the same Christian lying scum you get your science.
And don't deny it, you certainly didn't get Shavian Eugenics from his famous play, "Man and Superman."