Bull Ring What is “within reason” in relation to gun ownership: Saki & Dhunt

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    Daryl Hunt,

    What is your definition of “within reason” in respect to gun ownership?
     
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    You mean the idea of the government letting the people keep arms that are “within reason”? If so, anything the military currently has, would be "reasonable", as long as that person is vetted.

    To believe that only certain weapons should be legally available to citizens, would be the same as believing that the First Amendment only protects things printed on antiqued hand-operated printing presses.
     
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    Background Checks with no loopholes. This is not gun registration. The only record of this check kept on file by the Fire Arms Dealer who will destroy the record after X number of years depending on the State Laws. You want to buy a gun privately, both the buyer and seller heads over to the nearest gun dealer and gets the background check done. If you want to buy a gun at a gun show, there are enough FFL dealers there that can do instant background checks. In my state, the price for the check is regulated at 7 bucks.

    If you don't follow the above method and obtain your gun anyway, you just committed a class 4 felony. Plus, the person that you either illegally bought it from or borrowed it from should be held accountable for any illegal act that you perform using that gun exactly as if they held that weapon. I didn't know should not be a defense. Actively pursue conviction of these people and give them nice long jail sentences even if no one was killed.

    Make the min age to purchase guns 21 years old. Simple as that.

    Stop with the Open Carry crap. I support the CCW all the way. But it's just too easy to get one these days. One of the classes is 4 hours long and you only dry fire your weapon. Hardly anyone fails that one. But many should have. The one I support is 3 days long and includes 100 rounds at an Active Target Range. This one has a high failure rate because MOST should not be carrying anything including a toaster. They leave the class that they failed and go to one of the milk toast classes and, poof, they are qualified with a CCW.

    When transporting a long gun, have a reason like you are going hunting, taking to the gun shop, over to the neighbors, or to the target range or skeet or trap range. You can have it in your Gun Rack, in a Carrying Case or in your Trunk. But you should NEVER be walking down the street with a locked and loaded long gun of any kind. This makes the general public very nervous and doesn't do a thing to the bad guys when you are openly displaying locked and loaded long gun. To believe otherwise is just a sick fantasy.

    Notice, I have not said a thing about having a gun in the Home for Home and Family defense. That is where you should be able to have a completely serviceable handgun on tap. How you store it is up to you. It's your home and your right.

    And start getting the NRA and the other Organization (yes, Dorathy, there are only two) to stop with the frivilous law suits. I will admit that Heller V DC was not a frivolous lawsuit since it upheld your right to have a fully serviceable handgun in your home. But I watched the NRA go hog wild around here, spending Millions and lose their cases, sue to get 3 state reps recalled (2 stayed and 1 did not but was put back in the next election) and cost the Tax Pay millions we could have spent on Roads or Education. Make the loser pay.

    We need to allow the states to exercise the 2nd and 10th amendment without fear of those frivilous lawsuits and being beaten up about it.

    Common sense laws should do it. Otherwise, it if gets too bad, the gun grabbers start grabbing guns.
     
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    Do you mean that ANYTHING at all? Does that include 155mm Artillery, MOABs, and more? Doesn't sound too common sense to me. The line must be drawn somewhere.
     
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    Why not? I can already legally own full-auto or a hand grenade for that matter, if I wanted to pay the $200 tax stamp. Except that grenades are commercially unobtainable.

    Does that automatically make me a criminal if I legally own them? I also disagree with the background check and paperwork for any purchase. I've bought 12 firearms so far this year at garage sales: They were not on the tables and I had to ask if that had any firearms. Most of the time the people who have them have no idea what they are or what they're worth. They were just some old rifle or pistol that their parents or grandparents owned, and they were happy to get them out of the house. The average price was between $20-$60 and I'll turn around and sell off what I don't want to keep, at the gun shows this fall.

    Capitalism is great.
     
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    Meanwhile, the mass shootings by the 17 and 19 year olds were done by guns either borrowed or stolen from their parents. See my comments on that one.

    A criminal could have just as well off bought those same weapons and used them for other than legal reasons. A little incovenience on your part just might save someone else's life.

    You are a FFL holder so you don't have nearly the limits as the normal person. But you also follow the laws to obtain those weapons. Anyone can own almost anything with the proper FFL license.
     
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    I am not an FFL holder. Private sales are allowed at gun shows, or between two people for that matter. But it's a small town so I know everyone.

    Come to think of it, the only firearm I've bought through channels is my AK-47. I've also carried a legal concealed G19 every day for the last 8 years.
     
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    K, Lucy, Splain

    Why not? I can already legally own full-auto or a hand grenade for that matter, if I wanted to pay the $200 tax stamp. Except that grenades are commercially unobtainable.

     
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    Notice the trend. It's deviating quickly.
     
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