Bull Ring ding: Does work in physics require motion

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    ding,

    Ding says motion has nothing to do with work and therefore the perpetual motion in the universe does not disprove his thermal equilibrium lie.

     
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    No. I said motion had nothing to do with thermodynamic equilibrium.
     
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    Ed, says thermodynamic equilibrium is not possible because it is not possible to reach absolute zero and therefore it is not possible for all atomic motion to cease.
     
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    Thermodynamic equilibrium is the state where there is no thermodynamic free energy and therefore can no longer sustain processes that increase entropy. The second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of an isolated system never decreases. Such systems spontaneously evolve towards thermodynamic equilibrium. A thermodynamic system in its own state of internal thermodynamic equilibrium has a spatially uniform temperature. The second law of thermodynamics states that every energy transfer increases the entropy of the universe due to the loss of usable energy. During energy transfer, some amount of energy is lost in the form of unusable heat energy. Because energy is lost in an unusable form, no energy transfer is completely efficient. The more energy that is lost by a system to its surroundings, the less ordered and more random the system is. Entropy is a measure of randomness and disorder; high entropy means high disorder and low energy. Thermal equilibrium only requires that temperature differences or other processes may no longer be exploited to perform work. This is when the universe reaches maximum entropy.
     
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    And as the above PROVES you are dead wrong.

    What the hell do you think the "dynamics" part of thermoDYNAMICS means????

    Dynamics | physics

    Dynamics, branch of physical science and subdivision of mechanics that is concerned with the motion of material objects in relation to the physical factors that affect them: force, mass, momentum, energy.
     
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    And there it is, WORK, a force through a DISTANCE, meaning MOTION.
    So at what temperature does ALL motion stop and therefore there is no more KINETIC energy, the energy of motion and the energy that does WORK?????

    The Third Law of ThermoDYNAMICS says there is no such temperature in REALITY.
     
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    The operative word in Thermodynamics is thermo as in the ability of heat to perform work.

    In the context of thermodynamic equilibrium, dynamics or motion does not play a part in the discussion.
     
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    Thermodynamic equilibrium does not mean no motion. Thermodynamic equilibrium means that all objects are at the same temperature.
     
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    There is no such thing as thermo being the ONLY operative factor in thermoDYNAMICS. You just made up that bullshit for the bullring.

    Pontification does not count for a damn in physics, if you knew anything at all about physics you would know that.
     
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    Yes it does, it means no WORK can be done, as YOU stated in your first post, and only when there is no kinetic energy, the energy of motion that does work, can you have thermoDYNAMIC equilibrium, and since there is no temperature at which all motion stops, according to the Third Law of ThermoDYNAMICS, thermoDYNAMIC equilibrium is impossible in reality.
     

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