Did voter fraud alter the outcome of the MN 2008 Senate race?

[daveman]

Yes. We all know that. We saw it happen.

And we were powerless to stop it.

I live in Minnesota, during the recount and court proceedings it was on TV every night and in the papers every day. In other words, Minnesotans got a much closer look than I would guess anyone on this board expressing their all-knowing opinion. Norm stated he was satisfied, the people of Minnesota were satisfied by substantial margin (polls showed larger percentage than voted for Franken, were satisfied).
Stop with the dramatics,,Philadelphia? Yeah you really had a great seat for watching the event close-up.

And yet, oddly, Minnesotans have been convicted for voting illegally. And in a very close race.

Apparently, you have no problem with that.

 

[Full-Auto]

Republicans are whiny bitches when they lose

You really do hate democracy.

Ive seen too many democrats make excuses for voter fraud to give a damn what they have to say.

 

[uscitizen]

Republicans are whiny bitches when they lose

They sure are. And the only part of that that matters is how they try and project this attitude on the opposition. When emipircal evidence proves there is no real party affililation
corelation to "whiney bitch" attitudes and actions.

Libs whine about welfare cuts.
Rural Cons whine about losing AG subsidies, tax breaks, etc.

 

[kiwiman127]

This whole thing has been hashed and rehashed, looked into every which way....but there is never a shortage on tinfoil,,,never.

 

[daveman]

Republicans are whiny bitches when they lose

They sure are. And the only part of that that matters is how they try and project this attitude on the opposition. When emipircal evidence proves there is no real party affililation
corelation to "whiney bitch" attitudes and actions.

Libs whine about welfare cuts.
Rural Cons whine about losing AG subsidies, tax breaks, etc.

This whole thing has been hashed and rehashed, looked into every which way....but there is never a shortage on tinfoil,,,never.

Interesting tactic: Pretend the convictions for vote fraud simply don't exist.

You leftists and your magical thinking.

 

[rightwinger]

Republicans are whiny bitches when they lose

You really do hate democracy.

Let's hear you whine Dave

Not Fair!

 

[ladyliberal]

Did voter fraud decide the election? It's impossible to prove, but it seems unlikely:

- Coleman's lawyers had ample time to allege voter fraud during the unnecessarily long court challenge. They did not.

- Minnesota Majority's 2,800 number (cited in their original post) is not meaningful. Even their 480 likeliest candidates were mostly voters who were not only eligible but clearly eligible to vote. For example, the group identified eligible voters as possibly ineligible because they had the same name as a felon, even if their birth-dates were different.

- It's not clear that ineligible felon voters would have favored Franken, much less by an amount sufficient to matter. The one felon whose vote was identified in the recount process voted for Coleman. Even the 2,800 names provided by Minnesota Majority don't seem to come disproportionately from Democratic areas.


Minnesota Majority's real goals seem to be delegitimizing their state's duly elected Senator and pushing for laws which would principally suppress eligible votes.

Pawlenty: Investigate felon votes in Senate race | StarTribune.com
Pawlenty: felons may have tipped Senate race | kare11.com

 

[uscitizen]

Republicans are whiny bitches when they lose

They sure are. And the only part of that that matters is how they try and project this attitude on the opposition. When emipircal evidence proves there is no real party affililation
corelation to "whiney bitch" attitudes and actions.

Libs whine about welfare cuts.
Rural Cons whine about losing AG subsidies, tax breaks, etc.

This whole thing has been hashed and rehashed, looked into every which way....but there is never a shortage on tinfoil,,,never.

Interesting tactic: Pretend the convictions for vote fraud simply don't exist.

You leftists and your magical thinking.

Don't cha know? cheating is only cheating when someone else does it.

 

[kiwiman127]

Republicans are whiny bitches when they lose

They sure are. And the only part of that that matters is how they try and project this attitude on the opposition. When emipircal evidence proves there is no real party affililation
corelation to "whiney bitch" attitudes and actions.

Libs whine about welfare cuts.
Rural Cons whine about losing AG subsidies, tax breaks, etc.

This whole thing has been hashed and rehashed, looked into every which way....but there is never a shortage on tinfoil,,,never.

Interesting tactic: Pretend the convictions for vote fraud simply don't exist.

You leftists and your magical thinking.

I voted for Norm in 2002 and 2008, the guy is a moderate, he's a RINO,,,my type of politician!
If one is so naive to think that the attorneys and detectives the GOP sent to Minny didn't turn over every single rock looking for a win, well then someone is dumber than a rock!

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Did voter fraud decide the election? It's impossible to prove, but it seems unlikely:

- Coleman's lawyers had ample time to allege voter fraud during the unnecessarily long court challenge. They did not.

- Minnesota Majority's 2,800 number (cited in their original post) is not meaningful. Even their 480 likeliest candidates were mostly voters who were not only eligible but clearly eligible to vote. For example, the group identified eligible voters as possibly ineligible because they had the same name as a felon, even if their birth-dates were different.

- It's not clear that ineligible felon voters would have favored Franken, much less by an amount sufficient to matter. The one felon whose vote was identified in the recount process voted for Coleman. Even the 2,800 names provided by Minnesota Majority don't seem to come disproportionately from Democratic areas.


Minnesota Majority's real goals seem to be delegitimizing their state's duly elected Senator and pushing for laws which would principally suppress eligible votes.

Pawlenty: Investigate felon votes in Senate race | StarTribune.com
Pawlenty: felons may have tipped Senate race | kare11.com

So the OP has no evidence that fraud altered the election results – this thread is nothing more than rightist mud thrown against the wall.

Pathetic.

 

[J.E.D]

Did voter fraud alter the outcome of the MN 2008 Senate race?

 

[Avatar4321]

Votes appeared out of thin air. Of course there was fraud.

Coleman realized he couldnt win when the system was rigged against him. And rather than deny Minnesota their representation, he conceded.

 

[kiwiman127]

Votes appeared out of thin air. Of course there was fraud.

Coleman realized he couldnt win when the system was rigged against him. And rather than deny Minnesota their representation, he conceded.

 

[daveman]

Republicans are whiny bitches when they lose

You really do hate democracy.

Let's hear you whine Dave

Not Fair!

Not whining. Not crying.

Just disgusted with people who put party over country. You know -- you.

 

[daveman]

Did voter fraud decide the election? It's impossible to prove, but it seems unlikely:

- Coleman's lawyers had ample time to allege voter fraud during the unnecessarily long court challenge. They did not.

- Minnesota Majority's 2,800 number (cited in their original post) is not meaningful. Even their 480 likeliest candidates were mostly voters who were not only eligible but clearly eligible to vote. For example, the group identified eligible voters as possibly ineligible because they had the same name as a felon, even if their birth-dates were different.

- It's not clear that ineligible felon voters would have favored Franken, much less by an amount sufficient to matter. The one felon whose vote was identified in the recount process voted for Coleman. Even the 2,800 names provided by Minnesota Majority don't seem to come disproportionately from Democratic areas.


Minnesota Majority's real goals seem to be delegitimizing their state's duly elected Senator and pushing for laws which would principally suppress eligible votes.

Pawlenty: Investigate felon votes in Senate race | StarTribune.com
Pawlenty: felons may have tipped Senate race | kare11.com

And yet, oddly, over a hundred people have been convicted for voting fraudulently.

You liberals can keep ignoring that simple fact, but it keeps on being there.

 

[daveman]

They sure are. And the only part of that that matters is how they try and project this attitude on the opposition. When emipircal evidence proves there is no real party affililation
corelation to "whiney bitch" attitudes and actions.

Libs whine about welfare cuts.
Rural Cons whine about losing AG subsidies, tax breaks, etc.

This whole thing has been hashed and rehashed, looked into every which way....but there is never a shortage on tinfoil,,,never.

Interesting tactic: Pretend the convictions for vote fraud simply don't exist.

You leftists and your magical thinking.

Don't cha know? cheating is only cheating when someone else does it.

Unlike you, I oppose ALL vote fraud.

You don't have a problem with it when it benefits your party.

 

[daveman]

They sure are. And the only part of that that matters is how they try and project this attitude on the opposition. When emipircal evidence proves there is no real party affililation
corelation to "whiney bitch" attitudes and actions.

Libs whine about welfare cuts.
Rural Cons whine about losing AG subsidies, tax breaks, etc.

This whole thing has been hashed and rehashed, looked into every which way....but there is never a shortage on tinfoil,,,never.

Interesting tactic: Pretend the convictions for vote fraud simply don't exist.

You leftists and your magical thinking.

I voted for Norm in 2002 and 2008, the guy is a moderate, he's a RINO,,,my type of politician!
If one is so naive to think that the attorneys and detectives the GOP sent to Minny didn't turn over every single rock looking for a win, well then someone is dumber than a rock!

Why do you keep ignoring the convictions?

 

[daveman]

Did voter fraud decide the election? It's impossible to prove, but it seems unlikely:

- Coleman's lawyers had ample time to allege voter fraud during the unnecessarily long court challenge. They did not.

- Minnesota Majority's 2,800 number (cited in their original post) is not meaningful. Even their 480 likeliest candidates were mostly voters who were not only eligible but clearly eligible to vote. For example, the group identified eligible voters as possibly ineligible because they had the same name as a felon, even if their birth-dates were different.

- It's not clear that ineligible felon voters would have favored Franken, much less by an amount sufficient to matter. The one felon whose vote was identified in the recount process voted for Coleman. Even the 2,800 names provided by Minnesota Majority don't seem to come disproportionately from Democratic areas.


Minnesota Majority's real goals seem to be delegitimizing their state's duly elected Senator and pushing for laws which would principally suppress eligible votes.

Pawlenty: Investigate felon votes in Senate race | StarTribune.com
Pawlenty: felons may have tipped Senate race | kare11.com

So the OP has no evidence that fraud altered the election results – this thread is nothing more than rightist mud thrown against the wall.

Pathetic.

So, in summary:

Over two thousand people may have voted fraudulently in an election decided by 213 votes.

But since a Democrat won, that means there's no problem.

As you say: Pathetic.

 

[daveman]

Did voter fraud alter the outcome of the MN 2008 Senate race?

Oh, look. Another anti-democracy Democrat.

 

[Article 15]

Give it a rest, Dave.

You sound like a child throwing a temper tantrum.