Did voter fraud alter the outcome of the MN 2008 Senate race?

[daveman]

Minnesota has found the long awaited replacement for Hubert Humphrey. Franken could be a serious presidential contender in eight years.

It is common knowledge that felons vote republican.......that is why they are felons

They support all the same issues as Republicans. Small Government and unfettered access to guns

You're retarded.

The only crime committed in that election was Republicans dragging their feet and denying the citizens of Minnesota their rightfully elected Senator for six months in 2009

Yup, you're just another "Fuck democracy!!" Democrat.

 

[daveman]

Did voter fraud decide the election? It's impossible to prove, but it seems unlikely:

- Coleman's lawyers had ample time to allege voter fraud during the unnecessarily long court challenge. They did not.

- Minnesota Majority's 2,800 number (cited in their original post) is not meaningful. Even their 480 likeliest candidates were mostly voters who were not only eligible but clearly eligible to vote. For example, the group identified eligible voters as possibly ineligible because they had the same name as a felon, even if their birth-dates were different.

- It's not clear that ineligible felon voters would have favored Franken, much less by an amount sufficient to matter. The one felon whose vote was identified in the recount process voted for Coleman. Even the 2,800 names provided by Minnesota Majority don't seem to come disproportionately from Democratic areas.


Minnesota Majority's real goals seem to be delegitimizing their state's duly elected Senator and pushing for laws which would principally suppress eligible votes.

Pawlenty: Investigate felon votes in Senate race | StarTribune.com
Pawlenty: felons may have tipped Senate race | kare11.com

And yet, oddly, over a hundred people have been convicted for voting fraudulently.

You liberals can keep ignoring that simple fact, but it keeps on being there.

I didn't ignore the convictions. If the number of convictions weren't on the same order as the margin in the election, I might have described the claim that fraud decided the election as "implausible" or "absurd" rather than "unlikely". Are you backing away from the 2,800 number that you cited, then?

Margin of 312 votes. 113 convictions. 200 more pending cases. 2,800 ineligibles possibly voted.

That doesn't give you pause?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Some research I did:




2008 Minnesota U.S. Senate Election: Results after election contest[1][2][64][65]
Party Candidate Votes
DFL Al Franken 1,212,629
Republican Norm Coleman 1,212,317


The difference?

312 votes.

The report finds that 113 individuals who voted illegally in the 2008 election have been convicted of the crime, "ineligible voter knowingly votes" under Minnesota Statute 201.014.

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Minnesota's recent charges and convictions stem from research initiated by Minnesota Majority. The research identified upwards of 2,800 ineligible felons believed to have unlawfully voted in Minnesota's 2008 general election.

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At the time of this report, nearly 200 additional cases are still pending trial.​

So: 113 convictions. 200 more pending cases. 2,800 ineligibles possibly voted.

Let us know when it changes the result of an election.

From your own link:

"As far as we can tell, this is the largest number of voter fraud convictions arising from a single election in the past 75 years," said Minnesota Majority president Jeff Davis, "Prosecutions are still underway and so there will likely be even more convictions."

If 113 voters illegally voting in one election is the biggest election fraud in 75 years - I'd say you've only provided the exception that proves the rule - illegally casted ballots isn't a big national problem.


Convicted felons not in prison should be allowed to vote anyway.

 

[rightwinger]

You're retarded.

The only crime committed in that election was Republicans dragging their feet and denying the citizens of Minnesota their rightfully elected Senator for six months in 2009

Yup, you're just another "Fuck democracy!!" Democrat.

The people of Minnesota have spoken. They elected the best Senator by far and are set to be outstandingly represented for years to come.

Democracy has spoken and certain right-wingers can't stop whining

 

[daveman]

Some research I did:




2008 Minnesota U.S. Senate Election: Results after election contest[1][2][64][65]
Party Candidate Votes
DFL Al Franken 1,212,629
Republican Norm Coleman 1,212,317


The difference?

312 votes.

The report finds that 113 individuals who voted illegally in the 2008 election have been convicted of the crime, "ineligible voter knowingly votes" under Minnesota Statute 201.014.

--

Minnesota's recent charges and convictions stem from research initiated by Minnesota Majority. The research identified upwards of 2,800 ineligible felons believed to have unlawfully voted in Minnesota's 2008 general election.

--

At the time of this report, nearly 200 additional cases are still pending trial.​

So: 113 convictions. 200 more pending cases. 2,800 ineligibles possibly voted.

Let us know when it changes the result of an election.

From your own link:

"As far as we can tell, this is the largest number of voter fraud convictions arising from a single election in the past 75 years," said Minnesota Majority president Jeff Davis, "Prosecutions are still underway and so there will likely be even more convictions."

If 113 voters illegally voting in one election is the biggest election fraud in 75 years - I'd say you've only provided the exception that proves the rule - illegally casted ballots isn't a big national problem.

...when Democrats win.

It doesn't bother you that a third of the election margin has been found to be illegal votes, with the other two-thirds of the votes pending?

It should.

Convicted felons not in prison should be allowed to vote anyway.

That's up to each state, not you. In Minnesota, persons with criminal convictions are restored the right to vote upon completion of sentence, including prison, parole and probation.

 

[g5000]

Margin of 312 votes. 113 convictions. 200 more pending cases. 2,800 ineligibles possibly voted.

That doesn't give you pause?

The solution is very simple.

"The problem rests largely on our current Election Day registration system," said Davis. "Most of the fraudulent votes cast in 2008 could have been prevented by using the normal registration and verification processes.

The way MN went about voter registration was flawed.

As for 113 fraudulent registrations, do we know who they voted for, or are assumptions being made that most of them voted for the ultimate winner?

 

[daveman]

The only crime committed in that election was Republicans dragging their feet and denying the citizens of Minnesota their rightfully elected Senator for six months in 2009

Yup, you're just another "Fuck democracy!!" Democrat.

The people of Minnesota have spoken. They elected the best Senator by far and are set to be outstandingly represented for years to come.

Democracy has spoken and certain right-wingers can't stop whining

Some Minnesotans had their voices counted when they had no legal right to do so.

But, like I said, the Democrat won. That's all that matters to you.

 

[daveman]

Margin of 312 votes. 113 convictions. 200 more pending cases. 2,800 ineligibles possibly voted.

That doesn't give you pause?

The solution is very simple.

Yes. Fix the registration, and present ID at the ballot box to prove you're the person who registered.

"The problem rests largely on our current Election Day registration system," said Davis. "Most of the fraudulent votes cast in 2008 could have been prevented by using the normal registration and verification processes.

The way MN went about voter registration was flawed.

Again...unless you show ID, how can you prove you're the person who registered?

As for 113 fraudulent registrations, do we know who they voted for, or are assumptions being made that most of them voted for the ultimate winner?

It doesn't matter who they voted for. Not to me. Not to anyone who takes fair elections seriously.

But Democrats don't seem to give a shit. Their guy won.

 

[rightwinger]

Yup, you're just another "Fuck democracy!!" Democrat.

The people of Minnesota have spoken. They elected the best Senator by far and are set to be outstandingly represented for years to come.

Democracy has spoken and certain right-wingers can't stop whining

Some Minnesotans had their voices counted when they had no legal right to do so.

But, like I said, the Democrat won. That's all that matters to you.

Let's see if we can find some cheese to go along with that whine

Results were certified...best man won

Time to get on with your life Nancy

 

[Truthmatters]

County attorneys: Minnesota Majority reports on voter fraud ‘frivolous’ | Minnesota Independent


MCAA’s Kingrey said that Minnesota Majority sent county attorneys’ offices information last year alleging widespread fraud in the 2008 election. He said the “the drumbeat continued” when the Republican Party of Minnesota backed up Minnesota Majority’s claims and then counties were served with an order by KSTP-TV to retain absentee ballots from the 2008 election.

“County attorneys take voter fraud very seriously; there is no discretion for county attorneys in this manner,” Kingrey said. Minnesota Majority produced a list of more than 1,000 names of Minnesotans that they suspected of illegal voting.

“The list generated wildly overstated the number of felons that voted,” said Kingrey. “Many actually were legal voters; they were allowed to vote under Minnesota statute.”

The Minnesota County Attorneys Association’s (MCAA) executive director John Kingrey says Minnesota Majority’s reports of massive voter fraud in the 2008 election were “widely overstated” and “frivolous,” adding that the conservative group’s demands of those investigating suspected voter fraud were draining county public safety resources.

 

[Truthmatters]

It is all based on republican right wing cheating with the numbers.

 

[Amelia]

 

[DiamondDave]

But remember... we have wrongwinger, TDM, Old Rocks in the Head, etc who have continually expressed that voter fraud is non-existent

Keep the link for every time you hear them spouting off that crap again

 

[paulitician]

Of course.

 

[Conservative]

The only crime committed in that election was Republicans dragging their feet and denying the citizens of Minnesota their rightfully elected Senator for six months in 2009

Yup, you're just another "Fuck democracy!!" Democrat.

The people of Minnesota have spoken. They elected the best Senator by far and are set to be outstandingly represented for years to come.

Democracy has spoken and certain right-wingers can't stop whining

Like the people of Wisconsin spoke when they elected Walker? They elected the best man for the job by far, and are set to be outstandingly represented for years to come.

Democracy has spoken and certain left-wingers can't stop whining.

 

[daveman]

The people of Minnesota have spoken. They elected the best Senator by far and are set to be outstandingly represented for years to come.

Democracy has spoken and certain right-wingers can't stop whining

Some Minnesotans had their voices counted when they had no legal right to do so.

But, like I said, the Democrat won. That's all that matters to you.

Let's see if we can find some cheese to go along with that whine

Results were certified...best man won

Time to get on with your life Nancy

Thanks for proving once again that you don't give a shit about democracy.

 

[daveman]

It is all based on republican right wing cheating with the numbers.

There is no cheating with the numbers. 113 people have been convicted for voter fraud.

And you have no problem with it. Because the Democrat won.

Think about it, if you're able:

113 legal Minnesotan voters had their voted negated by 113 illegal Minnesotan voters. They were disenfranchised.

And you have no problem with it. Because the Democrat won.

 

[daveman]

Yup, you're just another "Fuck democracy!!" Democrat.

The people of Minnesota have spoken. They elected the best Senator by far and are set to be outstandingly represented for years to come.

Democracy has spoken and certain right-wingers can't stop whining

Like the people of Wisconsin spoke when they elected Walker? They elected the best man for the job by far, and are set to be outstandingly represented for years to come.

Democracy has spoken and certain left-wingers can't stop whining.

Remember, it's only democracy if the Democrat wins.


Right, USMB lefties?

 

[uscitizen]

LMAO!

To think that a right winger would make a thread on this subject.

The hypocricsy is Priceless.
Keep it up.

 

[daveman]

LMAO!

To think that a right winger would make a thread on this subject.

The hypocricsy is Priceless.
Keep it up.

No need to verify your status. We've already got you in the "Doesn't Give A Shit About Democracy" column.