Did Middle East mediator Martin Indyk reveal Obama's plan for Israel without Netanyahu in charge?

[Jroc]

Here you go


Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Quran (61:9): "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist."

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Muslim (19:4321-4323) - Three separate hadith in which Muhammad shrugs over the news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against unbelievers. His response: "They are of them (meaning the enemy)."

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power." Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.

Cherry picked, incomplete religious quotes taken out of context mean absolutely nothing.

They hate and kill Jews based upon their holy books. Everyone knows this. Why do you deny it?

Because it's not true.

They lived together more or less peacefully for centuries. If there holy books commanded them to do all that the Jews would have been wiped out in the ME long ago.

This "everyone" doesn't sound very educated.

of course they lived together as long as the Jews are subservient..if not they'll be slaughtered. We choose the other route "peace through strength"

Another Zionist myth. Throughout Muslim history Jewish people have risen to high positions of power and influence; hardly "subservient". In Muslim Spain, Chistians, Jews, and Muslims managed to get along fine as equals, until the religious fundamentalists on both sides interfered.

Egyptians Protest the Fall of Islamic "Andalusia",(Spain) Vow to Liberate It

 

[Phoenall]

Because it's not true.

They lived together more or less peacefully for centuries. If there holy books commanded them to do all that the Jews would have been wiped out in the ME long ago.

This "everyone" doesn't sound very educated.

of course they lived together as long as the Jews are subservient..if not they'll be slaughtered. We choose the other route "peace through strength"

"............Peace, through superior firepower............"

Ya think? Much good Israel's "superior firepower" has done it. still no peace after 67 years.

Because they are too moral and wont finish the job like Jordan and Lebanon did.

No answer I see to the reality, imagine the scene if Israel did what Jordan did and mowed down 50,000 Palestinians in prison camps

 

[Coyote]

Well as you're so well read, lets see the chapter and verse from the Quran and Hadiths to back up your allegations.

Here you go


Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Quran (61:9): "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist."

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Muslim (19:4321-4323) - Three separate hadith in which Muhammad shrugs over the news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against unbelievers. His response: "They are of them (meaning the enemy)."

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power." Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.

Cherry picked, incomplete religious quotes taken out of context mean absolutely nothing.

They hate and kill Jews based upon their holy books. Everyone knows this. Why do you deny it?

Because it's not true.

They lived together more or less peacefully for centuries. If there holy books commanded them to do all that the Jews would have been wiped out in the ME long ago.

This "everyone" doesn't sound very educated.

of course they lived together as long as the Jews are subservient..if not they'll be slaughtered. We choose the other route "peace through strength"

Sure, but that was the way of most of the dominant cultures and religions towards minorities they had conquered and - still leaves a big hole in the claim that their books mandate slaughter of Jews.

 

[Coyote]

Well as you're so well read, lets see the chapter and verse from the Quran and Hadiths to back up your allegations.

Here you go


Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Quran (61:9): "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist."

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Muslim (19:4321-4323) - Three separate hadith in which Muhammad shrugs over the news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against unbelievers. His response: "They are of them (meaning the enemy)."

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power." Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.

Cherry picked, incomplete religious quotes taken out of context mean absolutely nothing.

They hate and kill Jews based upon their holy books. Everyone knows this. Why do you deny it?

Because it's not true.

They lived together more or less peacefully for centuries. If there holy books commanded them to do all that the Jews would have been wiped out in the ME long ago.

This "everyone" doesn't sound very educated.

And who told you this LIE as the history shows millions of Jews were massacred or taken as sex slaves by the muslims. Unless you call being subject to the pact of Omar, dhimmi laws and sharia as living together peacefully. Just some of the massacres
Cordoba 1013
Granada 1066 1090
Fez 1035 1146 1275
Medina 627
Khaybar 628
Marrakesh 1146 1232
And so it goes on all across the M.E, horn of Africa and Spain. Is this your idea of living peacefully because I would like you to try living like that.

The everyone is all the decent people who are not brainwashed into believing islamonazi lies and propaganda, and have open minds and are prepared to look at all the facts. Like the many Jews who faked conversion to islam

You are cherry picking history.

 

[Coyote]

Go President Obama!

Will you still feel the same way when the Israelis are being massacred by American weapons in their hundreds of thousands <snip>

That was a stupid question. We all know the answer to that. Challenger would welcome wholeheartedly such events.

I have never ever seen Challenger express support for genocide - of anyone, including Jews.

Is that because you have selective vision and only see what you want to see

Provide a link then.

 

[Coyote]

Context is context whether it is western or not. And yes, cherry picked, incomplete, and out of context. I can chuck a bunch of icky nasty Bible quotes at you if you want.

WRONG as the context that the surah's are written in is not the same as the context the Bible is written in. It is a common complaint amongst muslims that the west takes their words out of context, when the context KILL THE UNBELIEVERS is the same in both cultures.

You can as long as you put them in context as originally written and complete as written. Which is what is done with the quotes from the Koran. Take any of the above and put the 3 verses either side in with them and you will see that the context does not alter. It is how the muslims are taught to understand the Koran as individual verses and not as parts of a whole.

I think Muslims know more about their surah's then you do.

Obviously you do as well. You know enough to tell us this women didn't mean what she said

Yes. I read her rebuttal. Perhaps you can explain why you support the Israeli MP's statements calling for Palestinian genocide, something you kept dodging. Two can play this stupid game.

Which Israeli M.K. would that be then, and were did he call for the genocide of the arab muslims ?

1. Ask Jroc, he considered the genocidal MP "hot".
2. That wasn't the claim.

 

[Coyote]

They hate and kill Jews based upon their holy books. Everyone knows this. Why do you deny it?

Because it's not true.

They lived together more or less peacefully for centuries. If there holy books commanded them to do all that the Jews would have been wiped out in the ME long ago.

This "everyone" doesn't sound very educated.

You are wrong. They have not gotten along with anyone. They have been fighting amongst themselves for centuries, long before Israel was there and long before America even existed. I don't think you really understand these people.

The Islamic State and the Arab Tribes in Eastern Syria

Meh. So was most of Europe. In fact...who wasn't? Still, there were periods of stability and peace and there were Jews. Like I said - if their holy books insisted that they had to kill Jews they did piss poor job of it letting them live in the ME and the Ottoman Empire etc.

No, these wars still go on today. Are you for real? The Sunnis and the Shiites, etc., etc., etc. You might think that people who live in the ME are just like we are, but they are NOT.

Protestants and Catholics, someone's forgetting the 30 years war and the Wars of Religion. People are the same the world over, they just talk differently and wear different clothes.

Religious wars between Protestants and Catholics raged over Europe for years and were quite bloody and brutal. The Irish troubles lasted 4 decades - from 1969 to present with over 3,500 fatalities, many of them civilian.

 

[Jroc]

Here you go


Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Quran (61:9): "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist."

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Muslim (19:4321-4323) - Three separate hadith in which Muhammad shrugs over the news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against unbelievers. His response: "They are of them (meaning the enemy)."

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power." Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.

Cherry picked, incomplete religious quotes taken out of context mean absolutely nothing.

They hate and kill Jews based upon their holy books. Everyone knows this. Why do you deny it?

Because it's not true.

They lived together more or less peacefully for centuries. If there holy books commanded them to do all that the Jews would have been wiped out in the ME long ago.

This "everyone" doesn't sound very educated.

of course they lived together as long as the Jews are subservient..if not they'll be slaughtered. We choose the other route "peace through strength"

Sure, but that was the way of most of the dominant cultures and religions towards minorities they had conquered and - still leaves a big hole in the claim that their books mandate slaughter of Jews.

the Jews are the minority. understand? Do you actually have to be told that?

 

[Coyote]

Cherry picked, incomplete religious quotes taken out of context mean absolutely nothing.

They hate and kill Jews based upon their holy books. Everyone knows this. Why do you deny it?

Because it's not true.

They lived together more or less peacefully for centuries. If there holy books commanded them to do all that the Jews would have been wiped out in the ME long ago.

This "everyone" doesn't sound very educated.

of course they lived together as long as the Jews are subservient..if not they'll be slaughtered. We choose the other route "peace through strength"

Sure, but that was the way of most of the dominant cultures and religions towards minorities they had conquered and - still leaves a big hole in the claim that their books mandate slaughter of Jews.

the Jews are the minority. understand? Do you actually have to be told that?

Are you really that dense?

 

[Jroc]

They hate and kill Jews based upon their holy books. Everyone knows this. Why do you deny it?

Because it's not true.

They lived together more or less peacefully for centuries. If there holy books commanded them to do all that the Jews would have been wiped out in the ME long ago.

This "everyone" doesn't sound very educated.

of course they lived together as long as the Jews are subservient..if not they'll be slaughtered. We choose the other route "peace through strength"

Sure, but that was the way of most of the dominant cultures and religions towards minorities they had conquered and - still leaves a big hole in the claim that their books mandate slaughter of Jews.

the Jews are the minority. understand? Do you actually have to be told that?

Are you really that dense?

there are more Jews than Arabs in the Middle east? Who knew

 

[Coyote]

Because it's not true.

They lived together more or less peacefully for centuries. If there holy books commanded them to do all that the Jews would have been wiped out in the ME long ago.

This "everyone" doesn't sound very educated.

of course they lived together as long as the Jews are subservient..if not they'll be slaughtered. We choose the other route "peace through strength"

Sure, but that was the way of most of the dominant cultures and religions towards minorities they had conquered and - still leaves a big hole in the claim that their books mandate slaughter of Jews.

the Jews are the minority. understand? Do you actually have to be told that?

Are you really that dense?

there are more Jews than Arabs in the Middle east? Who knew

What on earth are you talking about and what does it have to do with what I said? I've always said they're a minority, pretty much in every place but Israel. That's never been in contention so what exactly is your point here?

 

[Jroc]

of course they lived together as long as the Jews are subservient..if not they'll be slaughtered. We choose the other route "peace through strength"

Sure, but that was the way of most of the dominant cultures and religions towards minorities they had conquered and - still leaves a big hole in the claim that their books mandate slaughter of Jews.

the Jews are the minority. understand? Do you actually have to be told that?

Are you really that dense?

there are more Jews than Arabs in the Middle east? Who knew

What on earth are you talking about and what does it have to do with what I said? I've always said they're a minority, pretty much in every place but Israel. That's never been in contention so what exactly is your point here?

The Jews fight for their survival. most of the Arabs want no Jews no Israel...Understand?

 

[Coyote]

Sure, but that was the way of most of the dominant cultures and religions towards minorities they had conquered and - still leaves a big hole in the claim that their books mandate slaughter of Jews.

the Jews are the minority. understand? Do you actually have to be told that?

Are you really that dense?

there are more Jews than Arabs in the Middle east? Who knew

What on earth are you talking about and what does it have to do with what I said? I've always said they're a minority, pretty much in every place but Israel. That's never been in contention so what exactly is your point here?

The Jews fight for their survival. most of the Arabs want no Jews no Israel...Understand?

Again - I fail to see what relevance that statement has to what I said.

 

[Phoenall]

Here you go


Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Quran (61:9): "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist."

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Muslim (19:4321-4323) - Three separate hadith in which Muhammad shrugs over the news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against unbelievers. His response: "They are of them (meaning the enemy)."

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power." Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.

Cherry picked, incomplete religious quotes taken out of context mean absolutely nothing.

They hate and kill Jews based upon their holy books. Everyone knows this. Why do you deny it?

Because it's not true.

They lived together more or less peacefully for centuries. If there holy books commanded them to do all that the Jews would have been wiped out in the ME long ago.

This "everyone" doesn't sound very educated.

of course they lived together as long as the Jews are subservient..if not they'll be slaughtered. We choose the other route "peace through strength"

Sure, but that was the way of most of the dominant cultures and religions towards minorities they had conquered and - still leaves a big hole in the claim that their books mandate slaughter of Jews.

Have you bothered to read them in the manner they are destined to be read, that makes all the difference to understanding islam. You see you don't start at page one and read from there till the end with the Koran, you might start in the middle and jump about a lot because the Koran was written/narrated in a haphazard fashion so is abrogated in the extreme. Which is why Mohamed blows hot and cold with the Jews and Christians

 

[Phoenall]

Here you go


Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Quran (61:9): "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist."

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Muslim (19:4321-4323) - Three separate hadith in which Muhammad shrugs over the news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against unbelievers. His response: "They are of them (meaning the enemy)."

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power." Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.

Cherry picked, incomplete religious quotes taken out of context mean absolutely nothing.

They hate and kill Jews based upon their holy books. Everyone knows this. Why do you deny it?

Because it's not true.

They lived together more or less peacefully for centuries. If there holy books commanded them to do all that the Jews would have been wiped out in the ME long ago.

This "everyone" doesn't sound very educated.

And who told you this LIE as the history shows millions of Jews were massacred or taken as sex slaves by the muslims. Unless you call being subject to the pact of Omar, dhimmi laws and sharia as living together peacefully. Just some of the massacres
Cordoba 1013
Granada 1066 1090
Fez 1035 1146 1275
Medina 627
Khaybar 628
Marrakesh 1146 1232
And so it goes on all across the M.E, horn of Africa and Spain. Is this your idea of living peacefully because I would like you to try living like that.

The everyone is all the decent people who are not brainwashed into believing islamonazi lies and propaganda, and have open minds and are prepared to look at all the facts. Like the many Jews who faked conversion to islam

You are cherry picking history.

Am I or am I showing just a few of the many massacres of Jews by muslims over the last 1400 years. All history is cherrypicked, just as you cherrypick the few and far between good times.

 

[Phoenall]

Go President Obama!

Will you still feel the same way when the Israelis are being massacred by American weapons in their hundreds of thousands <snip>

That was a stupid question. We all know the answer to that. Challenger would welcome wholeheartedly such events.

I have never ever seen Challenger express support for genocide - of anyone, including Jews.

Is that because you have selective vision and only see what you want to see

Provide a link then.

You have just proven my point for me by asking for a link to his posts on this board

 

[Jroc]

the Jews are the minority. understand? Do you actually have to be told that?

Are you really that dense?

there are more Jews than Arabs in the Middle east? Who knew

What on earth are you talking about and what does it have to do with what I said? I've always said they're a minority, pretty much in every place but Israel. That's never been in contention so what exactly is your point here?

The Jews fight for their survival. most of the Arabs want no Jews no Israel...Understand?

Again - I fail to see what relevance that statement has to what I said.

It's very relevant to what you do here. You defend islamist Jew haters . This is what you do, you're on a mission

 

[Phoenall]

WRONG as the context that the surah's are written in is not the same as the context the Bible is written in. It is a common complaint amongst muslims that the west takes their words out of context, when the context KILL THE UNBELIEVERS is the same in both cultures.

You can as long as you put them in context as originally written and complete as written. Which is what is done with the quotes from the Koran. Take any of the above and put the 3 verses either side in with them and you will see that the context does not alter. It is how the muslims are taught to understand the Koran as individual verses and not as parts of a whole.

I think Muslims know more about their surah's then you do.

Obviously you do as well. You know enough to tell us this women didn't mean what she said

Yes. I read her rebuttal. Perhaps you can explain why you support the Israeli MP's statements calling for Palestinian genocide, something you kept dodging. Two can play this stupid game.

Which Israeli M.K. would that be then, and were did he call for the genocide of the arab muslims ?

1. Ask Jroc, he considered the genocidal MP "hot".
2. That wasn't the claim.

I am asking you as you brought it into the equation

Yes it is as they are arab muslims first if they are Palestinians, and not Israeli citizens...............

 

[Coyote]

Are you really that dense?

there are more Jews than Arabs in the Middle east? Who knew

What on earth are you talking about and what does it have to do with what I said? I've always said they're a minority, pretty much in every place but Israel. That's never been in contention so what exactly is your point here?

The Jews fight for their survival. most of the Arabs want no Jews no Israel...Understand?

Again - I fail to see what relevance that statement has to what I said.

It's very relevant to what you do here. You defend islamist Jew haters . This is what you do, you're on a mission

Nope. I just defend people who get attacked solely on the basis of their religion by bigots. That's my mission.

 

[Coyote]

I think Muslims know more about their surah's then you do.

Obviously you do as well. You know enough to tell us this women didn't mean what she said

Yes. I read her rebuttal. Perhaps you can explain why you support the Israeli MP's statements calling for Palestinian genocide, something you kept dodging. Two can play this stupid game.

Which Israeli M.K. would that be then, and were did he call for the genocide of the arab muslims ?

1. Ask Jroc, he considered the genocidal MP "hot".
2. That wasn't the claim.

I am asking you as you brought it into the equation

Yes it is as they are arab muslims first if they are Palestinians, and not Israeli citizens...............

1. I wasn't talking to you and Jroc knows exactly what I was talking about.
2. I was talking about Palestinians as that is what the MP was talking about. Not "arab muslims".