Did Middle East mediator Martin Indyk reveal Obama's plan for Israel without Netanyahu in charge?

[Challenger]

Now you are just being silly.

Read the Koran and hadiths instead of just spouting islamonazi cover ups. Since the Jewish tribes of medina refused to worship Mohamed the muslims have been commanded to hate the Jews

Well as you're so well read, lets see the chapter and verse from the Quran and Hadiths to back up your allegations.

Here you go


Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Quran (61:9): "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist."

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Muslim (19:4321-4323) - Three separate hadith in which Muhammad shrugs over the news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against unbelievers. His response: "They are of them (meaning the enemy)."

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power." Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.

Ok, so where in the above do you get this from, "Since the Jewish tribes of medina refused to worship Mohamed the muslims have been commanded to hate the Jews"?

There's nothing there about worshipping Mohammed or about commanding Muslims to hate Jews. making things up again and even plagiarising from a wacko site. The Verses Commanding Jihad and Murder of Non Tsk, tsk, some people have no shame.

From the hadiths of course, one of which says that Mohamed sent a messenger to the Jews 3 time to ask them to prostrate themselves to him. 3 times the Jews refused so he set forth and killed them.

Which one?

 

[Challenger]

Read the Koran and hadiths instead of just spouting islamonazi cover ups. Since the Jewish tribes of medina refused to worship Mohamed the muslims have been commanded to hate the Jews

Well as you're so well read, lets see the chapter and verse from the Quran and Hadiths to back up your allegations.

Here you go


Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Quran (61:9): "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist."

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Muslim (19:4321-4323) - Three separate hadith in which Muhammad shrugs over the news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against unbelievers. His response: "They are of them (meaning the enemy)."

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power." Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.

Why bother when all they do is ignore the facts? These people posting here are either really stupid or Muslims.

Post a fact and I'll look at it and evaluate it, so far all you post is drivel and fascist fantasies.

The above are all facts taken in full context from the Koran and hadiths in the manner they are to read/heard

No they're not, for full context you need at least both the preceeding and succeeding verses, something the site you plagiarised didn't do.

 

[Challenger]

Well as you're so well read, lets see the chapter and verse from the Quran and Hadiths to back up your allegations.

The passages in the Quran have been quoted many, many times. It's not our fault if you refuse to see what is right before you. All of the intelligent Americans would choose to support Israel over Palestine, of course. Not even a question about it. We don't like murdering terrorist scum here in America. The Muslim religion is the most oppressive, brutal and violent religion and is really more cult like than anything else. The people who follow this religion are fanatical and want to see the end of the western world so that they can drag us all back into the middle ages with their Sharia Laws.

Drivel.

Sorry that you can't handle the truth about the cult that you support. Those are the facts, and you have posted nothing to negate them.

What facts? All you ever post is drivel.

Everything I've posted is fact. You are the one posting drivel with no links or anything to back up your assertions and your support for terrorism.

Drivel.

 

[Phoenall]

Here you go


Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Quran (61:9): "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist."

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Muslim (19:4321-4323) - Three separate hadith in which Muhammad shrugs over the news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against unbelievers. His response: "They are of them (meaning the enemy)."

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power." Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.

Cherry picked, incomplete religious quotes taken out of context mean absolutely nothing.

They hate and kill Jews based upon their holy books. Everyone knows this. Why do you deny it?

Because it's not true.

They lived together more or less peacefully for centuries. If there holy books commanded them to do all that the Jews would have been wiped out in the ME long ago.

This "everyone" doesn't sound very educated.

You are wrong. They have not gotten along with anyone. They have been fighting amongst themselves for centuries, long before Israel was there and long before America even existed. I don't think you really understand these people.

The Islamic State and the Arab Tribes in Eastern Syria

Meh. So was most of Europe. In fact...who wasn't? Still, there were periods of stability and peace and there were Jews. Like I said - if their holy books insisted that they had to kill Jews they did piss poor job of it letting them live in the ME and the Ottoman Empire etc.

Not as bad a job as the Jews though eh! after all you claim they are committing genocide on the palestinain arab muslims and still they increase in numbers. The Jews decreased from a large vibrant population in the M.E to a small group of 4th class citizens under Islamic rule. You think the Palestinians have it bad, if they were treated as they treated Jews then you would have something to complain about.

 

[Challenger]

What if there homeland is where they are?

It's not the West Bank was taken from Jordan, the palestinian state.

Gaza was taken from Egypt.

Those countries are their homelands.

Then return WB to Jordan and Gaza to Egypt.

They should have thought of that before they tried to invade Israel for the purpose of destroying it.

Now it's too late.

Without the West Bank Israel would be 9 miles wide and indefensible.

If Zionist Israel made peace with it's neighbours it would be as safe as Lichtenstein which is only 3 miles wide. Unfortunately Zionist Israel has never wanted peace, it needs the constant conflict to breed anxiety amongst it's population to justify a self sustaining militaristic society.

It may have to do with it's neighbors openly saying that it wants to destroy all of Israel.

There is no one to have peace with.

Really? Egypt? Jordan?

 

[Challenger]

Here you go


Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Quran (61:9): "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist."

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Muslim (19:4321-4323) - Three separate hadith in which Muhammad shrugs over the news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against unbelievers. His response: "They are of them (meaning the enemy)."

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power." Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.

Cherry picked, incomplete religious quotes taken out of context mean absolutely nothing.

They hate and kill Jews based upon their holy books. Everyone knows this. Why do you deny it?

Because it's not true.

They lived together more or less peacefully for centuries. If there holy books commanded them to do all that the Jews would have been wiped out in the ME long ago.

This "everyone" doesn't sound very educated.

of course they lived together as long as the Jews are subservient..if not they'll be slaughtered. We choose the other route "peace through strength"

"............Peace, through superior firepower............"

Ya think? Much good Israel's "superior firepower" has done it. still no peace after 67 years.

 

[Challenger]

Well as you're so well read, lets see the chapter and verse from the Quran and Hadiths to back up your allegations.

Here you go


Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Quran (61:9): "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist."

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Muslim (19:4321-4323) - Three separate hadith in which Muhammad shrugs over the news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against unbelievers. His response: "They are of them (meaning the enemy)."

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power." Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.

Cherry picked, incomplete religious quotes taken out of context mean absolutely nothing.

They hate and kill Jews based upon their holy books. Everyone knows this. Why do you deny it?

Because it's not true.

They lived together more or less peacefully for centuries. If there holy books commanded them to do all that the Jews would have been wiped out in the ME long ago.

This "everyone" doesn't sound very educated.

of course they lived together as long as the Jews are subservient..if not they'll be slaughtered. We choose the other route "peace through strength"

Another Zionist myth. Throughout Muslim history Jewish people have risen to high positions of power and influence; hardly "subservient". In Muslim Spain, Chistians, Jews, and Muslims managed to get along fine as equals, until the religious fundamentalists on both sides interfered.

 

[Challenger]

Cherry picked, incomplete religious quotes taken out of context mean absolutely nothing.

They hate and kill Jews based upon their holy books. Everyone knows this. Why do you deny it?

Because it's not true.

They lived together more or less peacefully for centuries. If there holy books commanded them to do all that the Jews would have been wiped out in the ME long ago.

This "everyone" doesn't sound very educated.

You are wrong. They have not gotten along with anyone. They have been fighting amongst themselves for centuries, long before Israel was there and long before America even existed. I don't think you really understand these people.

The Islamic State and the Arab Tribes in Eastern Syria

Meh. So was most of Europe. In fact...who wasn't? Still, there were periods of stability and peace and there were Jews. Like I said - if their holy books insisted that they had to kill Jews they did piss poor job of it letting them live in the ME and the Ottoman Empire etc.

No, these wars still go on today. Are you for real? The Sunnis and the Shiites, etc., etc., etc. You might think that people who live in the ME are just like we are, but they are NOT.

Protestants and Catholics, someone's forgetting the 30 years war and the Wars of Religion. People are the same the world over, they just talk differently and wear different clothes.

 

[Phoenall]

Here you go


Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Quran (61:9): "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist."

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Muslim (19:4321-4323) - Three separate hadith in which Muhammad shrugs over the news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against unbelievers. His response: "They are of them (meaning the enemy)."

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power." Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.

Cherry picked, incomplete religious quotes taken out of context mean absolutely nothing.

They hate and kill Jews based upon their holy books. Everyone knows this. Why do you deny it?

Because it's not true.

They lived together more or less peacefully for centuries. If there holy books commanded them to do all that the Jews would have been wiped out in the ME long ago.

This "everyone" doesn't sound very educated.

of course they lived together as long as the Jews are subservient..if not they'll be slaughtered. We choose the other route "peace through strength"

They are happy if they can be overlords. They see other religious groups as being lesser human beings on the totem pole, as do many religions.

It is even stated in the Koran that Jews and Christians are pigs, dogs and apes, putting them just below the sheep and goats.

 

[Phoenall]

Here you go


Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Quran (61:9): "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist."

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Muslim (19:4321-4323) - Three separate hadith in which Muhammad shrugs over the news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against unbelievers. His response: "They are of them (meaning the enemy)."

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power." Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.

Cherry picked, incomplete religious quotes taken out of context mean absolutely nothing.

They hate and kill Jews based upon their holy books. Everyone knows this. Why do you deny it?

Because it's not true.

They lived together more or less peacefully for centuries. If there holy books commanded them to do all that the Jews would have been wiped out in the ME long ago.

This "everyone" doesn't sound very educated.

of course they lived together as long as the Jews are subservient..if not they'll be slaughtered. We choose the other route "peace through strength"

Another Zionist myth. Throughout Muslim history Jewish people have risen to high positions of power and influence; hardly "subservient". In Muslim Spain, Chistians, Jews, and Muslims managed to get along fine as equals, until the religious fundamentalists on both sides interfered.

Is that so then do explain all the massacres by muslims in Spain, very well documented and available on the internet. You can start by looking at Cordoba and Granada

 

[Phoenall]

They hate and kill Jews based upon their holy books. Everyone knows this. Why do you deny it?

Because it's not true.

They lived together more or less peacefully for centuries. If there holy books commanded them to do all that the Jews would have been wiped out in the ME long ago.

This "everyone" doesn't sound very educated.

You are wrong. They have not gotten along with anyone. They have been fighting amongst themselves for centuries, long before Israel was there and long before America even existed. I don't think you really understand these people.

The Islamic State and the Arab Tribes in Eastern Syria

Meh. So was most of Europe. In fact...who wasn't? Still, there were periods of stability and peace and there were Jews. Like I said - if their holy books insisted that they had to kill Jews they did piss poor job of it letting them live in the ME and the Ottoman Empire etc.

No, these wars still go on today. Are you for real? The Sunnis and the Shiites, etc., etc., etc. You might think that people who live in the ME are just like we are, but they are NOT.

Protestants and Catholics, someone's forgetting the 30 years war and the Wars of Religion. People are the same the world over, they just talk differently and wear different clothes.

WRONG it is the neo Marxists that forget the mass murders by their brothers in Russian, Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, China etc. All to stamp out religion . We remember our dark past and have learnt from it which is why we no longer do the same things, the muslims have never changed their ways since 627 C.E. and are still as murderous and as bloodthirsty now as then

 

[mudwhistle]

Current status quo is untennable. The current oppose every compromise and sticking to your guns approach isn't going to work. Everyone just wants peace, but the current regime would rather have war than peace where an equitable compromise is the deal.

Nonsense. Anyone who agrees to peace becomes a target. Peace isn't the goal. Erasing Israel from the map is the goal.

 

[Phoenall]

Read the Koran and hadiths instead of just spouting islamonazi cover ups. Since the Jewish tribes of medina refused to worship Mohamed the muslims have been commanded to hate the Jews

Well as you're so well read, lets see the chapter and verse from the Quran and Hadiths to back up your allegations.

Here you go


Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Quran (61:9): "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist."

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Muslim (19:4321-4323) - Three separate hadith in which Muhammad shrugs over the news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against unbelievers. His response: "They are of them (meaning the enemy)."

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power." Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.

Ok, so where in the above do you get this from, "Since the Jewish tribes of medina refused to worship Mohamed the muslims have been commanded to hate the Jews"?

There's nothing there about worshipping Mohammed or about commanding Muslims to hate Jews. making things up again and even plagiarising from a wacko site. The Verses Commanding Jihad and Murder of Non Tsk, tsk, some people have no shame.

From the hadiths of course, one of which says that Mohamed sent a messenger to the Jews 3 time to ask them to prostrate themselves to him. 3 times the Jews refused so he set forth and killed them.

Which one?

I believe muslim or possibly Bukhari, not quite sure without looking it up. But no doubt you will come back with the usual muslim trick and claim that the hadiths are not to be believed.

 

[Phoenall]

Well as you're so well read, lets see the chapter and verse from the Quran and Hadiths to back up your allegations.

Here you go


Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Quran (61:9): "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist."

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Muslim (19:4321-4323) - Three separate hadith in which Muhammad shrugs over the news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against unbelievers. His response: "They are of them (meaning the enemy)."

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power." Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.

Why bother when all they do is ignore the facts? These people posting here are either really stupid or Muslims.

Post a fact and I'll look at it and evaluate it, so far all you post is drivel and fascist fantasies.

The above are all facts taken in full context from the Koran and hadiths in the manner they are to read/heard

No they're not, for full context you need at least both the preceeding and succeeding verses, something the site you plagiarised didn't do.

Then why don't you put them in and see what difference it makes, the very first quote is actually 3 verses and that sets the tone for the others.

 

[Phoenall]

The passages in the Quran have been quoted many, many times. It's not our fault if you refuse to see what is right before you. All of the intelligent Americans would choose to support Israel over Palestine, of course. Not even a question about it. We don't like murdering terrorist scum here in America. The Muslim religion is the most oppressive, brutal and violent religion and is really more cult like than anything else. The people who follow this religion are fanatical and want to see the end of the western world so that they can drag us all back into the middle ages with their Sharia Laws.

Drivel.

Sorry that you can't handle the truth about the cult that you support. Those are the facts, and you have posted nothing to negate them.

What facts? All you ever post is drivel.

Everything I've posted is fact. You are the one posting drivel with no links or anything to back up your assertions and your support for terrorism.

Drivel.

About all you are good for posting, you don't need to keep reminding us

 

[Phoenall]

It's not the West Bank was taken from Jordan, the palestinian state.

Gaza was taken from Egypt.

Those countries are their homelands.

Then return WB to Jordan and Gaza to Egypt.

They should have thought of that before they tried to invade Israel for the purpose of destroying it.

Now it's too late.

Without the West Bank Israel would be 9 miles wide and indefensible.

If Zionist Israel made peace with it's neighbours it would be as safe as Lichtenstein which is only 3 miles wide. Unfortunately Zionist Israel has never wanted peace, it needs the constant conflict to breed anxiety amongst it's population to justify a self sustaining militaristic society.

It may have to do with it's neighbors openly saying that it wants to destroy all of Israel.

There is no one to have peace with.

Really? Egypt? Jordan?

Short memory on team palestines recent posts regarding Egypt and Jordan and how they see Israel ?

 

[Phoenall]

Cherry picked, incomplete religious quotes taken out of context mean absolutely nothing.

They hate and kill Jews based upon their holy books. Everyone knows this. Why do you deny it?

Because it's not true.

They lived together more or less peacefully for centuries. If there holy books commanded them to do all that the Jews would have been wiped out in the ME long ago.

This "everyone" doesn't sound very educated.

of course they lived together as long as the Jews are subservient..if not they'll be slaughtered. We choose the other route "peace through strength"

"............Peace, through superior firepower............"

Ya think? Much good Israel's "superior firepower" has done it. still no peace after 67 years.

Because they are too moral and wont finish the job like Jordan and Lebanon did.

 

[Challenger]

Cherry picked, incomplete religious quotes taken out of context mean absolutely nothing.

They hate and kill Jews based upon their holy books. Everyone knows this. Why do you deny it?

Because it's not true.

They lived together more or less peacefully for centuries. If there holy books commanded them to do all that the Jews would have been wiped out in the ME long ago.

This "everyone" doesn't sound very educated.

of course they lived together as long as the Jews are subservient..if not they'll be slaughtered. We choose the other route "peace through strength"

Another Zionist myth. Throughout Muslim history Jewish people have risen to high positions of power and influence; hardly "subservient". In Muslim Spain, Chistians, Jews, and Muslims managed to get along fine as equals, until the religious fundamentalists on both sides interfered.

Is that so then do explain all the massacres by muslims in Spain, very well documented and available on the internet. You can start by looking at Cordoba and Granada

Spamming again? Read my post properly before demonstrating your well known idiocy.

 

[Challenger]

They hate and kill Jews based upon their holy books. Everyone knows this. Why do you deny it?

Because it's not true.

They lived together more or less peacefully for centuries. If there holy books commanded them to do all that the Jews would have been wiped out in the ME long ago.

This "everyone" doesn't sound very educated.

of course they lived together as long as the Jews are subservient..if not they'll be slaughtered. We choose the other route "peace through strength"

"............Peace, through superior firepower............"

Ya think? Much good Israel's "superior firepower" has done it. still no peace after 67 years.

Because they are too moral and wont finish the job like Jordan and Lebanon did.

 

[Phoenall]

They hate and kill Jews based upon their holy books. Everyone knows this. Why do you deny it?

Because it's not true.

They lived together more or less peacefully for centuries. If there holy books commanded them to do all that the Jews would have been wiped out in the ME long ago.

This "everyone" doesn't sound very educated.

of course they lived together as long as the Jews are subservient..if not they'll be slaughtered. We choose the other route "peace through strength"

Another Zionist myth. Throughout Muslim history Jewish people have risen to high positions of power and influence; hardly "subservient". In Muslim Spain, Chistians, Jews, and Muslims managed to get along fine as equals, until the religious fundamentalists on both sides interfered.

Is that so then do explain all the massacres by muslims in Spain, very well documented and available on the internet. You can start by looking at Cordoba and Granada

Spamming again? Read my post properly before demonstrating your well known idiocy.

You mean your islamonazi lie as the muslims got along with no one and often engaged in massacres. Try reading the pact of Omar, the dhimmi laws and sharia law and finally the Koran to see exactly how the muslims treated their prisoners, because that is what they were prisoners. And it was no different to what we see today in Syria, Iraq and Kenya so unless the millions of muslims in those places are all religious fundamentalists then you are trying to fool everyone