Did Lincoln own slaves?

[Moonglow]

The war, just like the Great Compromise was about free states and slave states admitted to the union...and how the south felt it was being bullied by the feds...

 

[thereisnospoon]

No,but he married into a kentucky family, the Todds, that had a lot of slaves. Many of his Union generals were slave owners during the civil war. His second VP, andrew johnson, was a slave owner during the cw.

Still think lincoln started the war to end slavery?

How about you return to the rock from under which you crawled.
Nobody cares about this shit.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Mary Todd Lincoln' family actually supported, and even fought for, the Confederacy.... And yes, they did own slaves.

Mary Todd Lincoln

Abraham and Mary Lincoln A House Divided . American Experience . WGBH PBS

Again...Who cares.....
BTW, the Civil War was not fought to defend slavery. Had the Confederacy prevailed, the benefit to the victors would have been that slavery would ot been outlawed.
The main reason for the formation of the Confederacy was that southerners believed the states made up the union. And that if the states or a state did not like the rules set by the central government, those states or a state could simply leave the union.
Also, The south viewed itself as poor because of the largely agrarian economy. While the north was viewed as wealthy with it's manufacturing based economy. Those in the south were very angry that Washington DC could from afar, tell the southern states how things were to be done.

 

[bripat9643]

Federal troops invaded Virginia. moron. You appear to be agreeing that Lincoln started the war.

Federal troops invaded Virginia- after the Confederacy fired on Federal troops, and forced the surrender of a Federal Fort.

Now- if the Confederacy waited until the Union invaded to start firing on Union troops- then you would be right- but the Confederacy wanted the war to start and fired on Union troops.

Firing on foreign trespassers is not an act of war any more than firing on someone breaking into your home is attempted murder. Ft Sumter is within the borders of South Carolina.

That was a federal instillation before the war. SC doesn't just get to say what is theirs then start a war over it.

It was the territory of South Carolina, and it still is.

That is just not true: United States Military Reservations National Cemeteries and Military Parks ... - United States. Army. Office of the Judge Advocate General Jason F. Defandorff - Google Books

it is true. You still don't understand the distinction between federally owned property and state territory. Rocky Mountain National Park is federal property, but it's part of the state of Colorado. Acting like a fucking dumbass doesn't make your arguments convincing.

 

[JakeStarkey]

States rights meant the right to own and sell and pander human flesh.

All symptoms lead back to the root cause, slavery.

 

[bripat9643]

States rights meant the right to own and sell and pander human flesh.

All symptoms lead back to the root cause, slavery.

The Constitution legalized slavery, moron, not the states. The federal government even enforced it.

 

[Freewill]

Federal troops invaded Virginia- after the Confederacy fired on Federal troops, and forced the surrender of a Federal Fort.

Now- if the Confederacy waited until the Union invaded to start firing on Union troops- then you would be right- but the Confederacy wanted the war to start and fired on Union troops.

Firing on foreign trespassers is not an act of war any more than firing on someone breaking into your home is attempted murder. Ft Sumter is within the borders of South Carolina.

That was a federal instillation before the war. SC doesn't just get to say what is theirs then start a war over it.

It was the territory of South Carolina, and it still is.

That is just not true: United States Military Reservations National Cemeteries and Military Parks ... - United States. Army. Office of the Judge Advocate General Jason F. Defandorff - Google Books

it is true. You still don't understand the distinction between federally owned property and state territory. Rocky Mountain National Park is federal property, but it's part of the state of Colorado. Acting like a fucking dumbass doesn't make your arguments convincing.

As usual the evidence is just plainly ignored for your revisionist history.

You were shown the evidence that SC gave over the land to the FEDS.

There was a FORT on the Island built by the Federal government.

The south screwed up big time by attacking and starting a war over slavery. Now it is pitiful that you defend one of the biggest con jobs every played on brave men and woman. The democrat party should apologize to the families of those who charged into canister at Gettysburg. All to protect the rich democrat. Sad but true. The civil war was fought over economics, the economics of slavery and the south's fear they might lose their cheap labor and look what was the result, total destruction and disaster. That is what happens when people are on the wrong side of history.

 

[Freewill]

States rights meant the right to own and sell and pander human flesh.

All symptoms lead back to the root cause, slavery.

The Constitution legalized slavery, moron, not the states. The federal government even enforced it.

You mean like this: (3) The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several Sates; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States.

Now, tell us where any such language appears in the COTUS. And please, not the 3/5ths clause.

 

[Desperado]

No,but he married into a kentucky family, the Todds, that had a lot of slaves. Many of his Union generals were slave owners during the civil war. His second VP, andrew johnson, was a slave owner during the cw.

Still think lincoln started the war to end slavery?

Talk about an Inconvenient Truth

 

[sakinago]

Uh all allies were responsible for burning nazi and Japan controlled cities. Ever hear of Dresden, or Tokyo fire bombing. Pretty bad stuff, not to mention Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But thus is war. Yes slavery wasn't the only issue in the civil war, but it was a big one. And I am against the end justify the means policies, policies used by the north in the civil war, policies that had a lot of civil rights violations, but I had no say in those. So I'm just glad that there is no slavery anymore in the Us bc it is terrible. And it's bigger than ever world wide, why is no one talking about that

 

[bripat9643]

States rights meant the right to own and sell and pander human flesh.

All symptoms lead back to the root cause, slavery.

The Constitution legalized slavery, moron, not the states. The federal government even enforced it.

You mean like this: (3) The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several Sates; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States.

Now, tell us where any such language appears in the COTUS. And please, not the 3/5ths clause.

Now tell us what bearing the Confederate Constitution has on the fact that the U.S. Constitution legalized slavery?

 

[bripat9643]

Uh all allies were responsible for burning nazi and Japan controlled cities. Ever hear of Dresden, or Tokyo fire bombing. Pretty bad stuff, not to mention Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But thus is war. Yes slavery wasn't the only issue in the civil war, but it was a big one. And I am against the end justify the means policies, policies used by the north in the civil war, policies that had a lot of civil rights violations, but I had no say in those. So I'm just glad that there is no slavery anymore in the Us bc it is terrible. And it's bigger than ever world wide, why is no one talking about that

Why did you even bother to comment if you aren't going to discuss the issue at hand? The question is "who started the war."

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Uh all allies were responsible for burning nazi and Japan controlled cities. Ever hear of Dresden, or Tokyo fire bombing. Pretty bad stuff, not to mention Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But thus is war. Yes slavery wasn't the only issue in the civil war, but it was a big one. And I am against the end justify the means policies, policies used by the north in the civil war, policies that had a lot of civil rights violations, but I had no say in those. So I'm just glad that there is no slavery anymore in the Us bc it is terrible. And it's bigger than ever world wide, why is no one talking about that

Why did you even bother to comment if you aren't going to discuss the issue at hand? The question is "who started the war."

The Constitution "accounted" for slavery. It did not make it either legal or illegal.

 

[bripat9643]

Firing on foreign trespassers is not an act of war any more than firing on someone breaking into your home is attempted murder. Ft Sumter is within the borders of South Carolina.

That was a federal instillation before the war. SC doesn't just get to say what is theirs then start a war over it.

It was the territory of South Carolina, and it still is.

That is just not true: United States Military Reservations National Cemeteries and Military Parks ... - United States. Army. Office of the Judge Advocate General Jason F. Defandorff - Google Books

it is true. You still don't understand the distinction between federally owned property and state territory. Rocky Mountain National Park is federal property, but it's part of the state of Colorado. Acting like a fucking dumbass doesn't make your arguments convincing.

As usual the evidence is just plainly ignored for your revisionist history.

You were shown the evidence that SC gave over the land to the FEDS.

There was a FORT on the Island built by the Federal government.

No one is disputing the fact that the federal government owns the property, dumbass. It also owns the Annapolis Navel Yard. Does that mean that Annapolis is not part of Maryland?

You are deliberately ignorant.

The south screwed up big time by attacking and starting a war over slavery. Now it is pitiful that you defend one of the biggest con jobs every played on brave men and woman. The democrat party should apologize to the families of those who charged into canister at Gettysburg. All to protect the rich democrat. Sad but true. The civil war was fought over economics, the economics of slavery and the south's fear they might lose their cheap labor and look what was the result, total destruction and disaster. That is what happens when people are on the wrong side of history.

Lincoln started the war, dumbass. The Union fools who charged into cannister at Gettysburg deserved what they got because they voted for the warmonger tyrant Lincoln.

 

[Syriusly]

Uh all allies were responsible for burning nazi and Japan controlled cities. Ever hear of Dresden, or Tokyo fire bombing. Pretty bad stuff, not to mention Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But thus is war. Yes slavery wasn't the only issue in the civil war, but it was a big one. And I am against the end justify the means policies, policies used by the north in the civil war, policies that had a lot of civil rights violations, but I had no say in those. So I'm just glad that there is no slavery anymore in the Us bc it is terrible. And it's bigger than ever world wide, why is no one talking about that

Why did you even bother to comment if you aren't going to discuss the issue at hand? The question is "who started the war."

And since when are you the board monitor.

It was a good comment.

We all know who started the war- South Carolina.

 

[Syriusly]

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Lincoln started the war, dumbass. The Union fools who charged into cannister at Gettysburg deserved what they got because they voted for the warmonger tyrant Lincoln.

By that standard the Confederate fools who charged into Union cannister and were hit by Union snipers and had their homes burned by Union torches deserved it for voting in the warmongering Confederate- Jefferson Davis.

Of course- unlike you- I don't cheer the deaths of any American soldiers- either Union or Confederate. All of those deaths were tragic and entirely preventable, if South Carolina had not started the war by firing on Federal troops.

So sad you cheer on the death of American soldiers.

 

[bripat9643]

Uh all allies were responsible for burning nazi and Japan controlled cities. Ever hear of Dresden, or Tokyo fire bombing. Pretty bad stuff, not to mention Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But thus is war. Yes slavery wasn't the only issue in the civil war, but it was a big one. And I am against the end justify the means policies, policies used by the north in the civil war, policies that had a lot of civil rights violations, but I had no say in those. So I'm just glad that there is no slavery anymore in the Us bc it is terrible. And it's bigger than ever world wide, why is no one talking about that

Why did you even bother to comment if you aren't going to discuss the issue at hand? The question is "who started the war."

And since when are you the board monitor.

It was a good comment.

We all know who started the war- South Carolina.

What you all "know" is mostly bullshit and propaganda. Your comment was stupid, just like all your other comments.

 

[bravoactual]

No,but he married into a kentucky family, the Todds, that had a lot of slaves. Many of his Union generals were slave owners during the civil war. His second VP, andrew johnson, was a slave owner during the cw.

Still think lincoln started the war to end slavery?

In the sense that before the Civil War the U.S. Government bought and sold Slaves maybe. Lincoln himself never owned Slaves. Don't know if he freed the Slaves by the Government though.

Most of the Union Generals owned Slaves and were very racist.

General Sherman was very unapologitic about he views on race. For him the Civil War was about ending the South as a Nation State. Lincoln was more than willing to keep Slavery if doing so would have preserved the Union.

 

[bripat9643]

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Lincoln started the war, dumbass. The Union fools who charged into cannister at Gettysburg deserved what they got because they voted for the warmonger tyrant Lincoln.

By that standard the Confederate fools who charged into Union cannister and were hit by Union snipers and had their homes burned by Union torches deserved it for voting in the warmongering Confederate- Jefferson Davis.

Nope. Jefferson Davis did not start the war. Lincoln did. You don't blame the people in the country being invaded for getting killed by the invader. You would blame for Poles for getting mowed under by Nazi tanks.

Of course- unlike you- I don't cheer the deaths of any American soldiers- either Union or Confederate. All of those deaths were tragic and entirely preventable, if South Carolina had not started the war by firing on Federal troops.

So sad you cheer on the death of American soldiers.

Sure you do. You cheer the deaths of every American who lived in the Confederacy. Lincoln started the war. Repeating your idiot claim over and over doesn't make it true.

 

[kaz]

Uh all allies were responsible for burning nazi and Japan controlled cities. Ever hear of Dresden, or Tokyo fire bombing. Pretty bad stuff, not to mention Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But thus is war. Yes slavery wasn't the only issue in the civil war, but it was a big one. And I am against the end justify the means policies, policies used by the north in the civil war, policies that had a lot of civil rights violations, but I had no say in those. So I'm just glad that there is no slavery anymore in the Us bc it is terrible. And it's bigger than ever world wide, why is no one talking about that

Why did you even bother to comment if you aren't going to discuss the issue at hand? The question is "who started the war."

The Constitution "accounted" for slavery. It did not make it either legal or illegal.

It said life, liberty and property cannot be restricted without due process of law, so I'd say by the Constitution slavery was actually illegal. Maybe you could argue since the States did not have to apply that until the 14th it could be legal within States, but the Federal government at least had no right to enforce it for runaway slaves