Did FDR Provoke Pearl Harbor?

[protectionist]

So, now Pearl Harbor was the fault of liberals? That's going too far even for a scumbag like you, Bribaby.

FD-fucking-R was a scumbag whether he knew about the attack before hand or not. Nothing can mitigate a US President throwing innocent, loyal Americans (some of the best we've ever produced, as it turns out) into concentration camps on US soil. Nothing.

A president's first priority is PROTECTION of the American people, not ass-kissing a minority group, you damn fool.

 

[Unkotare]

So, now Pearl Harbor was the fault of liberals? That's going too far even for a scumbag like you, Bribaby.

FD-fucking-R was a scumbag whether he knew about the attack before hand or not. Nothing can mitigate a US President throwing innocent, loyal Americans (some of the best we've ever produced, as it turns out) into concentration camps on US soil. Nothing.

A president's first priority is PROTECTION of the American people, not ass-kissing a minority group, you damn fool.

No surprise that the likes of you doesn't understand the first thing about America, head case.

 

[Camp]

There is a lot out there that makes you think that it was no surprize at all:

LP: "Japan May Strike Over Weekend" [Hilo Tribune Herald, November 30, 1941]

Do people think these articles are about Pearl Harbor?

 

[regent]

FD-fucking-R was a scumbag whether he knew about the attack before hand or not. Nothing can mitigate a US President throwing innocent, loyal Americans (some of the best we've ever produced, as it turns out) into concentration camps on US soil. Nothing.

A president's first priority is PROTECTION of the American people, not ass-kissing a minority group, you damn fool.

No surprise that the likes of you doesn't understand the first thing about America, head case.

Many Americans, including some Japanese/Americans, had some uncomfortable experiences during WWII. The loyalty of the the Japanese/Americans was an unknown factor after Pearl Harbor and those on the coast were put into camps. Suppose those Japanese/Americans were not loyal, not put into camps and ended up creating a lot of mischief, what would we be writing today of FDR's failure? Perhaps as great an insult to a group of Americans during WWII was our policies with Black/Americans.

 

[Unkotare]

A president's first priority is PROTECTION of the American people, not ass-kissing a minority group, you damn fool.

No surprise that the likes of you doesn't understand the first thing about America, head case.

Many Americans, including some Japanese/Americans, had some uncomfortable experiences during WWII.

"Uncomfortable experiences"? Why don't you try having everything your family has struggled for generations to build taken from you overnight and being thrown into a concentration camp for a few years before you seek to downplay it's severity with such mild terms as "uncomfortable," you un-American POS.

 

[Unkotare]

The loyalty of the the Japanese/Americans was an unknown factor after Pearl Harbor and those on the coast were put into camps. Suppose those Japanese/Americans were not loyal, not put into camps and ended up creating a lot of mischief, what would we be writing today of FDR's failure? .

That flaccid argument doesn't stand up to the fact that similar numbers of German and Italian Americans were not treated the same way during the war. After all, there were far, far more Americans of German and Italian descent in the country at the time, and unlike Japanese-Americans, German and Italian Americans were actually discovered to be involved in acts of espionage and sabotage during the war.

You fail to get your evil idol off the hook with that argument.

 

[Spiderman]

I wouldn't say provoke.

Was their prior knowledge of the attack?

Did FDR allow it to happen?

There are those who have made a fairly good case on the latter points

 

[Camp]

What do internment camps have to do with "Did FDR Provoke Pearl Harbor"?

 

[regent]

No surprise that the likes of you doesn't understand the first thing about America, head case.

Many Americans, including some Japanese/Americans, had some uncomfortable experiences during WWII.

"Uncomfortable experiences"? Why don't you try having everything your family has struggled for generations to build taken from you overnight and being thrown into a concentration camp for a few years before you seek to downplay it's severity with such mild terms as "uncomfortable," you un-American POS.

Yes, most of us have agreed that to abuse a group of Americans is wrong, but that's now history. What have you done recently about groups of Americans that might be labeled abused today? Can you name a group that fits your abused bill and what steps you have taken to stop the abuse?
Other than that, this just sounds like another anti-FDR gambit. FDR is still rated number one, and that rating includes all the errors he must have made in those twelve plus years; years that included our worst depression and our largest war.
As for uncomfortable, many of us have no idea what some Americans might have gone through during the WWII period.

 

[Unkotare]

Many Americans, including some Japanese/Americans, had some uncomfortable experiences during WWII.

"Uncomfortable experiences"? Why don't you try having everything your family has struggled for generations to build taken from you overnight and being thrown into a concentration camp for a few years before you seek to downplay it's severity with such mild terms as "uncomfortable," you un-American POS.

Yes, most of us have agreed that to abuse a group of Americans is wrong, but that's now history.

Ah. Are you one of those douchebags who tells black Americans to "just get over it"? Are you one of that ilk?

 

[regent]

"Uncomfortable experiences"? Why don't you try having everything your family has struggled for generations to build taken from you overnight and being thrown into a concentration camp for a few years before you seek to downplay it's severity with such mild terms as "uncomfortable," you un-American POS.

Yes, most of us have agreed that to abuse a group of Americans is wrong, but that's now history.

Ah. Are you one of those douchebags who tells black Americans to "just get over it"? Are you one of that ilk?

Temper, temper! I haven't told Black Americans anything recently. What have you told them?

 

[Unkotare]

Yes, most of us have agreed that to abuse a group of Americans is wrong, but that's now history.

Ah. Are you one of those douchebags who tells black Americans to "just get over it"? Are you one of that ilk?

Temper, temper! I haven't told Black Americans anything recently. What have you told them?

That's all you have to say for yourself, hypocrite?

 

[Desperado]

There is a lot out there that makes you think that it was no surprize at all:

LP: "Japan May Strike Over Weekend" [Hilo Tribune Herald, November 30, 1941]

Do people think these articles are about Pearl Harbor?

I seriously doubt they were talking about Japan's labor unions.
So tell me if the article is not about Pearl Harbor what was it about?

 

[Camp]

There is a lot out there that makes you think that it was no surprize at all:

LP: "Japan May Strike Over Weekend" [Hilo Tribune Herald, November 30, 1941]

Do people think these articles are about Pearl Harbor?

I seriously doubt they were talking about Japan's labor unions.
So tell me if the article is not about Pearl Harbor what was it about?

See the portion of byline inside the main article that says "Tojo Demands Asia Purge", Tojo had been pushing for a purge of western control and presense in what was referred to as the Southern Zone. The Southern Zone consisted of the oil rich colonies held and or controlled by the Netherlands, France, Britain, New Zealand and the USA. The USA was supplying over 90% of Japan's oil needs. The Japanese could not continue their war in China and their military exspansion without oil. The Japanese were vocal and public about their threat to throw westerners out of Asia.
The looming attack was expected to be made against these positions in Asia. It was the reason the US had transferred so many Battleships and Carriers to Pearl Harbor from the west coast.
The exspected attack on south asia occured at the same time as Pearl Harbor, but Pearl Harbor was unexspected. When Japanese commanders learned that the carrier fleet was not at Pearl as they expected it would be, they knew they had gambled and lost. They knew they had made a terrible mistake. American military planners were shocked that Japan would make such a risky and foolish attack.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

And Bush provoked al-Qaeda into 9/11.

The evidence is irrefutable.

There is no evidence that Bush provoked Al-Queda in 9/11. On the other hand, there is massive amounts of evidence that FDR deliberately provoked the Japanese into attacking Pearl Harbor. Furthermore, then is plenty of evidence that he knew in advance that the attack was imminent and did nothing to prevent it.

I can not ignore this, the US WARNED all Stations that an attack was imminent long before Dec 7. Claiming the Government did nothing is ignorant if not an outright lie. The only reason we did not see the planes coming is because the radar site only operated at night, it caught the income aircraft on radar but the brass believed it was 4 B-17's coming from the States.

The reason the attack was so crippling on aircraft was because the local Army commander was an idiot. He was worried about sabotage so ordered the aircraft all parked tightly together outside any revetments or shielding.

As to the claim FDR forced the Japanese to attack us, HORSE SHIT. We were opposed to renewed fighting in China and as retaliation for Japan renewing that war we shut off the oil and metal shipments we had agreed to when they had stopped the war the last time.

Japan, not the US, forced the war. But more to the point, in order to continue their war they needed the resources of the Dutch east Indies and the British holdings. They attacked us because they believed once they attacked Britain we would attack them. The PI was a threat to their plans in the Indies. Our fleet at Pearl was the only threat they were worried about, they thought if they could bloody us enough we would agree to a cease fire. They were wrong.

Unbelievable the crap some of you spout.

 

[Jackson]

I wouldn't say provoke.

Was their prior knowledge of the attack?

Did FDR allow it to happen?

There are those who have made a fairly good case on the latter points

I have read that not only did he have prior knowledge of the attack, he and Churchill sat up all night waiting for word of the attack. Roosevelt let it happen because we had to get into the war if it was going to be won.

The only question I have is why didn't he have more ships out of harbor to save more lives.

 

[HenryBHough]

Rooseveldt needed a war to end his unemployment stats.

He got his war.

The rest is unimportant detail.

 

[regent]

Rooseveldt needed a war to end his unemployment stats.

He got his war.

The rest is unimportant detail.

So how would a war change unemployment stats?

 

[HenryBHough]

Rooseveldt needed a war to end his unemployment stats.

He got his war.

The rest is unimportant detail.

So how would a war change unemployment stats?

OMG, I didn't realize Liberal public school indoctrination had sunk so far that this would be necessary! But since it has, here goes:

1. Draftees have jobs so are no longer unemployed.

2. Dead people can't register for unemployment insurance (though voting seems OK in Chicago and other Democrat strongholds).

3. War consumes all manner of goods requiring that jobs be created to produce them.

Need more?

 

[regent]

Rooseveldt needed a war to end his unemployment stats.

He got his war.

The rest is unimportant detail.

So how would a war change unemployment stats?

OMG, I didn't realize Liberal public school indoctrination had sunk so far that this would be necessary! But since it has, here goes:

1. Draftees have jobs so are no longer unemployed.

2. Dead people can't register for unemployment insurance (though voting seems OK in Chicago and other Democrat strongholds).

3. War consumes all manner of goods requiring that jobs be created to produce them.

Need more?

So are all wars to reduce unemployment or just WWII?