Deplorable

[CrusaderFrank]

Amazing that people here regard toddlers as criminals worthy of this treatment.

Obama has the kids shrink wrapped, easier to sell them to the traffickers.

Flashback: Obama Administration placed border children with human smugglers

 

[bendog]

It just seems to me we have withdrawn from our own hemisphere and supporting democratic reforms in other countries while we engaged in reckless and elective regime changes that destabilized Europe, and Trump doesn't seem to be an improvement. But the situation is not all of his making. But his response in locking children in facilities without basic hygiene is hopefully illegal.

 

[bendog]

Amazing that people here regard toddlers as criminals worthy of this treatment.

Obama has the kids shrink wrapped, easier to sell them to the traffickers.

Flashback: Obama Administration placed border children with human smugglers

More fake, and debunked repeatedly, news, Frank.

It's Trump's POLICY not a failure of an overwhelmed system.

 

[WEATHER53]

Amazing that people here regard toddlers as criminals worthy of this treatment.

Your fake, perpetual emotional outrage presented as false facts has No effect upon us.

 

[WEATHER53]

Almost 300 migrant children have been removed from a border patrol facility in Texas after media reports of lawyers describing “appalling” and potentially dangerous conditions, Department of Homeland Security officials told NBC News.

Lawyers who recently visited two Texas facilities holding migrant children described seeing young children and teenagers not being able to shower for days or even weeks, inadequate food, flu outbreaks and prolonged periods of detention.

Yeah, Trump and his swamp creatures are deplorable, in fact they are evil and criminal.

Your poll question includes only two answers, and both of them are loaded. Here's what you forgot:

"Do you think this treatment of children reflects poorly on America?"

• Of course, it's self evident and horrific behavior
• No, they're criminals and no criminal deserves comforts
• There is no reflection on America. The alleged parents of these children are personally liable for their welfare, and should be held accountable.

As someone who is NOT an American I can definitely say that the entire world is FUCKING APPALLED that this is still going on. You bet your racist and bigoted ass if reflects poorly on America that the richest country in the world is starving and killing refugee children in their care.

THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES SHOULD BE PERSONALLY HELD ACCOUNTABLE, AND EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO CARRIED OUT THE ORDERS THAT LEAD TO THIS MESS, SHOULD BE JAILED.

RIGHT FUCKING NOW.

You don’t speak for shit

 

[jc456]

Trumpists: a group that supports abusing children for political purposes.

There is no other explanation for not treating children well. These people care more for unborn zygotes then they do for children already born and suffering.

I would not go so far.

But I will not be drawn into defending the actions of the parents or the lefties that encourage them to come.

What the right fails to recognize is that this current immigration issue isnt a "pull" problem, it is a "push" problem. They arent being drawn to the US, like the Mexican migrants coming for work, they are being pushed out of Honduras, Guatamala, El Salvador by drought, extreme poverty and violence. So a parent faced with with terrible choices chooses what they think will save their children and you all label them bad parents because they dont want their kids to starve ti death or swallowed by the endemic violence.

Then you have horrible filthy conditions the kids are being kept in under American detention.. Andwhat is the response?

Blame throwing. Not this is unacceptable, lets at keadt fix it for the moment...no. Not taking responsibility but blaming.

Trump administration owns all tbe policies at play. They can choose to improve conditions and have the direct power to do so but they would rathet use the suffering of children for political purposes. Again. And Again.

Besides being barbaric, locking children in cages is not very effective deterrence if their remaining where will be fatal.

That's why a solution requires an option not currently on the table. I'm wondering what happened to the Organization of American States and Peace Corp.

Everyone wants a solution but the this isn't an easy problem, it's a problem with many factors. There are conditions pushing them out of their home countries - some which can be altered (ie corruption, violence, poverty) through various man-made programs, and some which can not be altered - climate, geography. You are looking at incredibly poor and uneducated people fleeing - they have neither the skills nor the training for the types of jobs we feel we need. This isn't just a regional problem - world wide there are more displaced people than at any other time in modern history. It ISN'T a Mexican problem. It isn't an American problem. It's a much larger problem and expecting Mexico - an impoverished country that is already battling big problems with cartels and unchecked violence - to handle the entire Latin American migrant crisis is ridiculous.

So what is the solution? IMO...some steps could be this:

Ease the new rules making it harder for relatives to sponsor migrant children (out of fear of deportation) - if you give a damn about the kids, get them cared for first, then address the problem of illegal immigrants inside the country later (other than those who have committed violent crimes). Get them out of those conditions promptly, and not warehoused in huge enclaves of thousands of kids. They need to be with families.

Create policies aimed at keeping families intact. Consider alternatives to incarceration such as electronic surveillance.

Enforce deportation orders promptly - ESPECIALLY when a crime has been committed.

Where are all those judges we were supposed to get to help out with the hearings? Instead of wasting money on a wall - put it into staffing and personal to handle the backlogs and make the process more expedient and fair.

Consider what programs we, as a wealthy developed nation, can put forth to address the longer term issue of what is driving people out. Maybe nothing, maybe something, but we can't keep ignoring it.

so fk our country up? what a plan. that sounds strategic.

 

[Anathema]

So you'd put children to death for their parents decisions. I'd ask how you reconcile belief with your whole "personal decisions" rant, that but we both know you can't.

Yes I would, and it would be the fault of the parents, not us. These sub-human sacks of trash need to be reminded of their place. Some of these children were old enough to know better than cross the border illegal. The rest were the property and responsibility of their parents.

 

[Olde Europe]

Create policies aimed at keeping families intact. Consider alternatives to incarceration such as electronic surveillance.

Just saw an interview with one of the lawyers visiting the border facility - designed for 105 adult males, populated with north of 350 children, some of then toddlers. They are supposed to be there for just hours, and actually are for months in many cases.

According to her, the overwhelming majority have parents or relatives in the U.S., who would sponsor them. They could be released to them today, and could have been actually released long ago.

The conditions are actually more inhumane and more degrading than I have read so far.

The cost to the U.S. taxpayer for this detention is $776 per child. I mean, $776 per day, for children sleeping on concrete under aluminum blankets in a cage, fed the same canned food every day, defecating, sleeping and eating in the exact same cage, no education, no toys, no playground, nothing. That means, this facility alone generates more than a cool million in revenue every other day.

Concentration camps can be quite lucrative, it seems. No one should even consider thinking about how the criminal length of that "detention" has anything to do with money. And then, there are some soulless automatons applauding that atrocity.

 

[Olde Europe]

Lawyers who recently visited two Texas facilities holding migrant children described seeing young children and teenagers not being able to shower for days or even weeks, inadequate food, flu outbreaks and prolonged periods of detention.

So it's just like back home?

Sorry to hear about the conditions you've been subjected to while growing up.

And this one...

Funny and Agree!! x 1
CrusaderFrank

... even finds that funny.

 

[Camp]

The atrocities being committed by the Trump administration will be his highlighted legacy and a scar on America forever. Purposeful negligence and abuse against the most vulnerable who arrived on our doorstep needing help and assistance. Instead of help and assisrance, we offered them torture, abuse, and pain.

 

[WEATHER53]

It’s so funny to hear liberal drivel that the main obligation of the border is to keep illegal “families” intact

 

[WEATHER53]

Create policies aimed at keeping families intact. Consider alternatives to incarceration such as electronic surveillance.

Just saw an interview with one of the lawyers visiting the border facility - designed for 105 adult males, populated with north of 350 children, some of then toddlers. They are supposed to be there for just hours, and actually are for months in many cases.

According to her, the overwhelming majority have parents or relatives in the U.S., who would sponsor them. They could be released to them today, and could have been actually released long ago.

The conditions are actually more inhumane and more degrading than I have read so far.

The cost to the U.S. taxpayer for this detention is $776 per child. I mean, $776 per day, for children sleeping on concrete under aluminum blankets in a cage, fed the same canned food every day, defecating, sleeping and eating in the exact same cage, no education, no toys, no playground, nothing. That means, this facility alone generates more than a cool million in revenue every other day.

Concentration camps can be quite lucrative, it seems. No one should even consider thinking about how the criminal length of that "detention" has anything to do with money. And then, there are some soulless automatons applauding that atrocity.

Every single illegal costs every taxpayer $1,000 per day.
That’s approximately 10 billion dollars per day divided by 100 million taxpayers or $100 per day per taxpayer for one illegal.
Fun facts aren’t so much fun.

 

[Shrimpbox]

Amazing that people here regard toddlers as criminals worthy of this treatment.

It’s amazing that you actually believe that children are purposefully mistreated by The border patrol or hhs.

 

[Shrimpbox]

Amazing that people here regard toddlers as criminals worthy of this treatment.

Obama has the kids shrink wrapped, easier to sell them to the traffickers.

Flashback: Obama Administration placed border children with human smugglers

More fake, and debunked repeatedly, news, Frank.

It's Trump's POLICY not a failure of an overwhelmed system.

Where has it been debunked.

The only thing that has been debunked is the democratic claim that this is a manufactured crisis.

 

[FA_Q2]

No pics, same mag that claimed Spicer chews and swallows a bunch of Big Red every day before noon.
Pardon my skepticism.

What accusations or rumors about Democrats would you so easily blow off?

The classic ostrich defense. How do you know the earth isn't flat?

Just saying.

This is not a republican created crisis so claims about the appalling conditions followed with a litany of how evil the republicans are is inane bullshit (not to mention it idiotic false dilemma poll). The democrats are happily allowing this to continue as well because Trump would tout it as a win if they sent one more red cent to the border.

Consider Trump has been president for two and a half years. Democrats took the house six months ago, and the Republicans still hold the senate.

How can you Republicans duck responsibility? Apparently for as long as you think you can fool people.

They are both responsible. Sorry if you are unable to handle that reality.

Are you looking to shuck away blame? Or are you willing to step up and change a policy that can hold children in conditions worse than those faced by death row inmates?

What purpose does such a question serve? Of course I want to see the problem addressed. How would be stating directly multiple times now that both parties have fucked this issue over shucking responsibility? You are the one trying to 'suck away' the blame and giving democrats a pass on using this as a political talking point. That is pretty damn transparent considering the utter failure here to do anything at all.

There are a number of painfully obvious and easy as hell fixes here, not the least of which is simply releasing more money for facilities. I have come to understand that the instant someone says 'comprehensive immigration reform' they are purposefully lying their ass off to you. We don't need comprehensive anything at this point. What we need is basic attention paid to immigration in general.

 

[Nosmo King]

What accusations or rumors about Democrats would you so easily blow off?

The classic ostrich defense. How do you know the earth isn't flat?

Just saying.

This is not a republican created crisis so claims about the appalling conditions followed with a litany of how evil the republicans are is inane bullshit (not to mention it idiotic false dilemma poll). The democrats are happily allowing this to continue as well because Trump would tout it as a win if they sent one more red cent to the border.

Consider Trump has been president for two and a half years. Democrats took the house six months ago, and the Republicans still hold the senate.

How can you Republicans duck responsibility? Apparently for as long as you think you can fool people.

They are both responsible. Sorry if you are unable to handle that reality.

Are you looking to shuck away blame? Or are you willing to step up and change a policy that can hold children in conditions worse than those faced by death row inmates?

What purpose does such a question serve? Of course I want to see the problem addressed. How would be stating directly multiple times now that both parties have fucked this issue over shucking responsibility? You are the one trying to 'suck away' the blame and giving democrats a pass on using this as a political talking point. That is pretty damn transparent considering the utter failure here to do anything at all.

There are a number of painfully obvious and easy as hell fixes here, not the least of which is simply releasing more money for facilities. I have come to understand that the instant someone says 'comprehensive immigration reform' they are purposefully lying their ass off to you. We don't need comprehensive anything at this point. What we need is basic attention paid to immigration in general.

I happen to agree with the plaque on Harry Truman's Ofal Office desk. "The buck stops here"

70 years gone and the buck still stops there.

 

[FA_Q2]

Just saying.

This is not a republican created crisis so claims about the appalling conditions followed with a litany of how evil the republicans are is inane bullshit (not to mention it idiotic false dilemma poll). The democrats are happily allowing this to continue as well because Trump would tout it as a win if they sent one more red cent to the border.

Consider Trump has been president for two and a half years. Democrats took the house six months ago, and the Republicans still hold the senate.

How can you Republicans duck responsibility? Apparently for as long as you think you can fool people.

They are both responsible. Sorry if you are unable to handle that reality.

Are you looking to shuck away blame? Or are you willing to step up and change a policy that can hold children in conditions worse than those faced by death row inmates?

What purpose does such a question serve? Of course I want to see the problem addressed. How would be stating directly multiple times now that both parties have fucked this issue over shucking responsibility? You are the one trying to 'suck away' the blame and giving democrats a pass on using this as a political talking point. That is pretty damn transparent considering the utter failure here to do anything at all.

There are a number of painfully obvious and easy as hell fixes here, not the least of which is simply releasing more money for facilities. I have come to understand that the instant someone says 'comprehensive immigration reform' they are purposefully lying their ass off to you. We don't need comprehensive anything at this point. What we need is basic attention paid to immigration in general.

I happen to agree with the plaque on Harry Truman's Ofal Office desk. "The buck stops here"

70 years gone and the buck still stops there.

And here we are.

So now we know where the shucking responsibility question came from - projection. The next step is to pretend that this problem started 2 years ago.

 

[Wyatt earp]

The atrocities being committed by the Trump administration will be his highlighted legacy and a scar on America forever. Purposeful negligence and abuse against the most vulnerable who arrived on our doorstep needing help and assistance. Instead of help and assisrance, we offered them torture, abuse, and pain.

What about the poor kids in the Congo who don't border the US..Don't care about them?

 

[Nosmo King]

Consider Trump has been president for two and a half years. Democrats took the house six months ago, and the Republicans still hold the senate.

How can you Republicans duck responsibility? Apparently for as long as you think you can fool people.

They are both responsible. Sorry if you are unable to handle that reality.

Are you looking to shuck away blame? Or are you willing to step up and change a policy that can hold children in conditions worse than those faced by death row inmates?

What purpose does such a question serve? Of course I want to see the problem addressed. How would be stating directly multiple times now that both parties have fucked this issue over shucking responsibility? You are the one trying to 'suck away' the blame and giving democrats a pass on using this as a political talking point. That is pretty damn transparent considering the utter failure here to do anything at all.

There are a number of painfully obvious and easy as hell fixes here, not the least of which is simply releasing more money for facilities. I have come to understand that the instant someone says 'comprehensive immigration reform' they are purposefully lying their ass off to you. We don't need comprehensive anything at this point. What we need is basic attention paid to immigration in general.

I happen to agree with the plaque on Harry Truman's Ofal Office desk. "The buck stops here"

70 years gone and the buck still stops there.

And here we are.

So now we know where the shucking responsibility question came from - projection. The next step is to pretend that this problem started 2 years ago.

This is a problem with a solution as big as a skyscraper right in front of us.

First, flood these facilities with doctors, nurses, social workers, nutritionists, teachers, caregivers and all the necessary sup"it's to provide decent, safe and sanitary conditions. Flood these facilities with the means to provide the basic hu,an needs all children deserve.

Second, reunite these kids with their parents. Simple. Make these fractured families whole again.

Third, stop it! Stop taking kids away from their families. Stop the deliberate cruelty.

Is this the positioning for Trump's re-election? Is this the position that A,Erica should will embrace and endorse for four more years?

In 2016, everyone agreed that the two major party nominees were both undesirable as president. Trump eked out a narrow victory. Can he take policies like this inept response to the hu,anitarian crisis to the people and expect approval? If a Democrat was in charge and the polices toward refugee children was as horrific as this policy is, what would your comments look like?

 

[Nosmo King]

The atrocities being committed by the Trump administration will be his highlighted legacy and a scar on America forever. Purposeful negligence and abuse against the most vulnerable who arrived on our doorstep needing help and assistance. Instead of help and assisrance, we offered them torture, abuse, and pain.

What about the poor kids in the Congo who don't border the US..Don't care about them?

False equivalence! Those kids are not in OUR CUSTODY!

You understand 'custody' don't you? It means they are in our care, for what it is.