Dems.....STOP giving Trump "ammunition" about ICE

[Harry Dresden]

Abolishing or tempering the mission of ICE should be made based on a non-political basis.

I personally, think that we need ICE, but that there mission should be reduced to focusing on serious criminal behavior. Illegal border crossings are not serious criminal behavior.

So you want to change the name to NICE?
No Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Yes. They should be 'NICE' to people who have not comitted serious crimes.

If you walked across the border from the U.S. to MExico do you think that the Mexican authorities should arrest you, separate you from your kids, and put you in a detention center?

the Mexican police will beat your ass and then take everything you have and then let you go....

Or possibly kill your gringo ass and bury you in the desert.

well there is that....

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Abolishing or tempering the mission of ICE should be made based on a non-political basis.

I personally, think that we need ICE, but that there mission should be reduced to focusing on serious criminal behavior. Illegal border crossings are not serious criminal behavior.

So you want to change the name to NICE?
No Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Yes. They should be 'NICE' to people who have not comitted serious crimes.

If you walked across the border from the U.S. to MExico do you think that the Mexican authorities should arrest you, separate you from your kids, and put you in a detention center?

Yes, that's exactly what would happen.

I imagine that it would -especially now tha we're doing ot tto their nationals.

But I didn't ask what 'would' happen, I asked what you thought 'should' happen.

I'm sure that if you wandered into Mexico, you would't be too happy with being arrested.

You do know Mexico laws about illegal immigration have been in place many years before Trump and it is illegal to enter Mexico without their approval or going through one of their port of entry and is punished with a fine:


FACT CHECK: Immigration Is Not A Felony In Mexico

Before they changed the law you went to prison...

 

[williepete]

many of us know that some of ICE's methods would make the Gestapo blush

Which ICE methods are worse than murdering millions in gas chambers?

BTW, where are those ICE gas chambers located? Do they have crematoriums? Are the facilities so large and efficient that it would make the Gestapo blush?

Take your time composing your brilliant and factual retort. I'll wait. I won't hold my breath but I'll wait for you to educate us.

 

[nat4900]

dunno, maybe we should ask Obama.

In my endless task to educate right wing morons......Under Obama's administration:

Customs and Border Protection — the Border Patrol’s parent agency — is now the largest law enforcement organization in the United States, with more than 60,000 employees and a fiscal year budget of $16.4 billion. And while the number of people crossing the border without documents has dropped significantly, Trump has said he wants to hire thousands more Border Patrol agents while deploying the National Guard to the border to bolster its forces.

 

[S.J.]

Where are the "concentration camps" the wacko libs keep referring to? Any links to those?

 

[nat4900]

Flowery prose ya nitwit....got any idea what the Gestapo did to people?....lay off the caffeine.

Well, we're not quite there yet with the end results, HornyTom......but separating kids from their mothers and telling the kids that their mothers were going to the "showers," should ring a few cute bells in your half brain.

 

[BookShaka]

Abolishing or tempering the mission of ICE should be made based on a non-political basis.

I personally, think that we need ICE, but that there mission should be reduced to focusing on serious criminal behavior. Illegal border crossings are not serious criminal behavior.

So you want to change the name to NICE?
No Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Yes. They should be 'NICE' to people who have not comitted serious crimes.

If you walked across the border from the U.S. to MExico do you think that the Mexican authorities should arrest you, separate you from your kids, and put you in a detention center?

Yes, that's exactly what would happen.

I imagine that it would -especially now tha we're doing ot tto their nationals.

But I didn't ask what 'would' happen, I asked what you thought 'should' happen.

I'm sure that if you wandered into Mexico, you would't be too happy with being arrested.

LOL are you suggesting the majority of illegals trying to get in are simply “wandering” into the country?

 

[nat4900]

Don't ya just love it when the idiot snowflakes post messages telling other snowflakes not to post what they really feel because it makes them look stupid.

Congrats, Ritardo.........you got to use "snowflakes" TWICE in the same sentence.......Hannity would be proud........LOL

 

[MarathonMike]

Own it Nat! Open borders/abolish ICE the core beliefs of DEMs exposed. There is no place to hide.

 

[Thinker101]

dunno, maybe we should ask Obama.

In my endless task to educate right wing morons......Under Obama's administration:

Customs and Border Protection — the Border Patrol’s parent agency — is now the largest law enforcement organization in the United States, with more than 60,000 employees and a fiscal year budget of $16.4 billion. And while the number of people crossing the border without documents has dropped significantly, Trump has said he wants to hire thousands more Border Patrol agents while deploying the National Guard to the border to bolster its forces.

"Educating" does not equate to endless BS.
Obama Holdovers Putting Border Patrol Agents At Risk, Keeping Border Porous

 

[The Irish Ram]

It is all part of the resistance.
Last election we voted against Hitlery. The next election we will be voting against the resistance. You are insuring a Dem. loss in 2020. Keep it up...

 

[nat4900]

I stopped after the Gestapo comment because if you truly believe our law enforcement for Immigration is like that then you are clueless.

Well, they haven't begun gassing folks yet.....But here's an instance reported by the ACLU (I know, I know, that for you morons, the ACLU is a bunch of liberal snowflakes)

An agent in a blue jacket asked whether Jahveel was an “illegal.” He handcuffed her and drove her to a Border Patrol station in the border town of Campo. There, he slapped her twice on the buttocks and ordered her into a cell. He and another male agent told her to sign an “order of voluntary departure,” a deportation order. She refused.

Then the threats began. One agent said, in Spanish, according to the complaint she filed later, “Right now, we close the door, we rape you and fuck you. If you cooperate with us, we can deport you to Mexico. Otherwise, we will take you to jail and deport your entire family.” They told her that her child would end up in foster care.

 

[BookShaka]

Dims will say out of one side of their mouths that they are NOT for open borders, but out of the other side they talk about doing away with the immigration enforcement.

And then people like Nat get pissed when Americans think Dems’ actions mean what their actions mean.

I wouldn’t go so far as to say all Democrats want open borders and unlimited entry into the country, but this desire to abolish ICE tells me Washington Dems (ie the ones with power) want the illegal immigration problem to thrive and aren’t interested in finding a way to end it.

 

[nat4900]

Such as?

Watchdog Agency Issues Report on ICE Abuse as Agency Seeks to ...

ICE and Border Patrol Abuses | American Civil Liberties Union

ICE Cruelty Knows No Bounds | American Civil Liberties Union

ICE Plans to Start Destroying Records of Immigrant Abuse, Including ...

 

[BookShaka]

Yes. They should be 'NICE' to people who have not comitted serious crimes.

Crossing the border illegally is a serious crime.

No it's not. Governments exist to serve people. Unless a person poses a definitive threat, they should not have their liberty taken away.

Yes it is. Anyone breaking any law poses a definitive threat. If not, why bother to have laws at all. They won't have their liberty taken away if they enter legally. If they enter illegally they have no right to liberty.

Actually people who enter the country illegally are granted certain rights solely for being on American soil.

 

[nat4900]

democrat party's sudden lurch to socialism along with open borders and the elimination of the agency that protects Americans from criminals entering the U.S. illegally

LOL

IDIOT......does that mean that the 20,000 plus Border Patrol agents aren't worth shit????

Don't forget that a federal agency under Obama shipped over 3,000 illegal weapons to Mex. drug cartels and a Border Patrol agent was murdered with one of the weapons. Nobody in the Obama administration was indicted or even fired. It shows how much Barry Hussein cared about the agency.

WOW.....post #33 BEFORE one of the fuckheads brings up Obama or Clinton???

We're making progress.......lol

 

[nat4900]

Um... correct me if I’m wrong and I’ve no doubt you’ll chastise me for even suggesting this bc of your blatant close-mindedness and superiority complex, but it seems as if you’re saying, “the Dems should stop their anti-ICE rhetoric bc it makes people believe they want open borders and to eliminate law enforcement’s authority over illegal immigrants,” is really no different from saying, “people need to stop calling water wet bc it makes people believe they need towels to dry their skin.”

No, moron......ALL that I am stating is that THREE dem senators are calling for the dismantling of ICE.......Now since 3 is what you idiots consider the entire party, I could bring up a few so-called RINOs to counter your fucked up math.

 

[BookShaka]

democrat party's sudden lurch to socialism along with open borders and the elimination of the agency that protects Americans from criminals entering the U.S. illegally

LOL

IDIOT......does that mean that the 20,000 plus Border Patrol agents aren't worth shit????

Don't forget that a federal agency under Obama shipped over 3,000 illegal weapons to Mex. drug cartels and a Border Patrol agent was murdered with one of the weapons. Nobody in the Obama administration was indicted or even fired. It shows how much Barry Hussein cared about the agency.

WOW.....post #33 BEFORE one of the fuckheads brings up Obama or Clinton???

We're making progress.......lol

Actually Obama was brought up in post #8.

 

[Papageorgio]

I stopped after the Gestapo comment because if you truly believe our law enforcement for Immigration is like that then you are clueless.

Well, they haven't begun gassing folks yet.....But here's an instance reported by the ACLU (I know, I know, that for you morons, the ACLU is a bunch of liberal snowflakes)

An agent in a blue jacket asked whether Jahveel was an “illegal.” He handcuffed her and drove her to a Border Patrol station in the border town of Campo. There, he slapped her twice on the buttocks and ordered her into a cell. He and another male agent told her to sign an “order of voluntary departure,” a deportation order. She refused.

Then the threats began. One agent said, in Spanish, according to the complaint she filed later, “Right now, we close the door, we rape you and fuck you. If you cooperate with us, we can deport you to Mexico. Otherwise, we will take you to jail and deport your entire family.” They told her that her child would end up in foster care.

One incident does not rate as gestapo and the agents involved need to be suspended, investigated and if there is evidence they need to be charged and if they are guilty need to be sentenced to the maximum prison time.

Just as three Democrats don't speak for the entire party, then isolated ICE agents don't represent all ICE agents. However the allegations are troubling to say the least.

 

[nat4900]

"Educating" does not equate to endless BS.
Obama Holdovers Putting Border Patrol Agents At Risk, Keeping Border Porous

WoW, all the way to post #50 to blame Obama?????.......
Sorry there Stinker, someone else beat you with post #33