Define the God you believe in, if you do believe in one (or more) -

[dblack]

Just an analogy. That sim theory seems kind of ridiculous to me.

Ok, so back to your definition, then - - - a point of clarification.

You are using God in two different ways - first, you use it as a human construct...then you follow by saying that the construct is made to carry out "God's" will.

If you're not defining God in two different ways...then how that reads to me is that Humans invented God (construct) to do what their invention wants them to do...

That's how I mean it. I see gods in the same way I see human minds, but they are distributed minds - existing in the network of like-minded believers. I came to see it this way after studying how systems can have emergent attributes that act independently of the intent of any individual members of the system.

I know it sounds like I'm dismissing gods as "made up", but that's not my intent. I think they are very real things, with a very real presence. But they have no physical representation outside the actions of believers. They are truly non-material beings. So are we, for that matter.

Well are they human constructs or did they construct humans - - your initial definition implied both but that's not sound.

They evolved alongside humans, as a by-product of human minds and society.

Why do you believe that?

I saw it in a vision.

And how do you reconcile it with the origin questions?

I don't.

 

[harmonica]

Ever think about how your pets would describe you? The same can be expected with humans describing God. My experiences:

God is pure love.
He respects free will.
He has greater faith in us than we have in ourselves.

I would also venture to say that God is more shy than we are, and more humble.

....dogs react/think/etc about humans the same way kids '[ hahahahah ] '''think'''' about parents

or, in other words, your dog looks to you as their parent,

Does My Dog Think I’m a Dog?
....you are trying to say dogs can reason/think/deduce/analyse/etc like humans =WRONG

 

[harmonica]

Consciousness without form.

Transcending energy and matter.

Love, truth, logic, intelligence, etc.

which all equals to your fantasy/made up/etc

 

[MarathonMike]

I believe in the concept of a multiverse and multiple Gods who are a combination of unimaginable intellect and energy. They create multiple universes and various forms of life for entertainment. They create multiple universes and life because they can and it's fun for them. They do not intervene, they set things in motion, grab their celestial popcorn boxes and enjoy the show they created.

Why multiple Gods? Doesn’t that unnecessarily complicate things?

I've thought about this a lot. I believe there was the Original God (the O.G. lol) who created the original Universe. But that wasn't enough to entertain him. He was lonely. So he created group of Gods similar to himself, his God Friends for lack of a better term. This was far more fun and entertaining and together they created multiple universes, multiple life forms and countless other things we don't even know about. They never intervene, they allow their creations to run their course while they observe and create new forms of entertainment.

So why can’t man shake this pesky fairness thing?

Why does man prefer right over wrong?

I don't see the connection to God and man's tendency toward fairness and right over wrong. And depending on the situation, fairness and right vs wrong can be fluid especially when survival is part of the equation. For example if your family is starving in a 3rd world country is it wrong to steal food from another family?

 

[ding]

Ok, so back to your definition, then - - - a point of clarification.

You are using God in two different ways - first, you use it as a human construct...then you follow by saying that the construct is made to carry out "God's" will.

If you're not defining God in two different ways...then how that reads to me is that Humans invented God (construct) to do what their invention wants them to do...

That's how I mean it. I see gods in the same way I see human minds, but they are distributed minds - existing in the network of like-minded believers. I came to see it this way after studying how systems can have emergent attributes that act independently of the intent of any individual members of the system.

I know it sounds like I'm dismissing gods as "made up", but that's not my intent. I think they are very real things, with a very real presence. But they have no physical representation outside the actions of believers. They are truly non-material beings. So are we, for that matter.

Well are they human constructs or did they construct humans - - your initial definition implied both but that's not sound.

They evolved alongside humans, as a by-product of human minds and society.

Why do you believe that?

I saw it in a vision.

And how do you reconcile it with the origin questions?

I don't.

Was this vision in the form of a dream?

Why don’t you reconcile it with the origin questions?

 

[ding]

Consciousness without form.

Transcending energy and matter.

Love, truth, logic, intelligence, etc.

which all equals to your fantasy/made up/etc

And yet the benefits I have received from my faith are real.

 

[harmonica]

Consciousness without form.

Transcending energy and matter.

Love, truth, logic, intelligence, etc.

which all equals to your fantasy/made up/etc

And yet the benefits I have received from my faith are real.

what benefits are those?

 

[ding]

I believe in the concept of a multiverse and multiple Gods who are a combination of unimaginable intellect and energy. They create multiple universes and various forms of life for entertainment. They create multiple universes and life because they can and it's fun for them. They do not intervene, they set things in motion, grab their celestial popcorn boxes and enjoy the show they created.

Why multiple Gods? Doesn’t that unnecessarily complicate things?

I've thought about this a lot. I believe there was the Original God (the O.G. lol) who created the original Universe. But that wasn't enough to entertain him. He was lonely. So he created group of Gods similar to himself, his God Friends for lack of a better term. This was far more fun and entertaining and together they created multiple universes, multiple life forms and countless other things we don't even know about. They never intervene, they allow their creations to run their course while they observe and create new forms of entertainment.

So why can’t man shake this pesky fairness thing?

Why does man prefer right over wrong?

I don't see the connection to God and man's tendency toward fairness and right over wrong. And depending on the situation, fairness and right vs wrong can be fluid especially when survival is part of the equation. For example if your family is starving in a 3rd world country is it wrong to steal food from another family?

Yes. But it is also wrong for the other family to let the other family starve.

The connection is self evident. In fact every quarrel that has ever existed proves that man knows right from wrong and that when he violates it rather than abandoning the concept he rationalizes that he didn’t violate it.

This behavior is universal. We didn’t put it in us and we can’t get rid of it.

 

[ding]

Consciousness without form.

Transcending energy and matter.

Love, truth, logic, intelligence, etc.

which all equals to your fantasy/made up/etc

And yet the benefits I have received from my faith are real.

what benefits are those?

Ones you will never have. Peace through the storm.

 

[harmonica]

Consciousness without form.

Transcending energy and matter.

Love, truth, logic, intelligence, etc.

which all equals to your fantasy/made up/etc

And yet the benefits I have received from my faith are real.

what benefits are those?

Ones you will never have. Peace through the storm.

of course you won't tell me because it's bullshit
why are you afraid to tell me?? hahahahhaha
any ''benefits '''you get, you don't need god to get

 

[ding]

Consciousness without form.

Transcending energy and matter.

Love, truth, logic, intelligence, etc.

which all equals to your fantasy/made up/etc

And yet the benefits I have received from my faith are real.

what benefits are those?

Ones you will never have. Peace through the storm.

of course you won't tell me because it's bullshit
why are you afraid to tell me?? hahahahhaha
any ''benefits '''you get, you don't need god to get

I just told you. Peace through the storm. The best you can ever hope for is to suffer without complaint.

 

[ding]

And that’s not likely given what I have observed.

 

[harmonica]

which all equals to your fantasy/made up/etc

And yet the benefits I have received from my faith are real.

what benefits are those?

Ones you will never have. Peace through the storm.

of course you won't tell me because it's bullshit
why are you afraid to tell me?? hahahahhaha
any ''benefits '''you get, you don't need god to get

I just told you. Peace through the storm. The best you can ever hope for is to suffer without complaint.

you don't need god for that = god is unnecessary

 

[ding]

And yet the benefits I have received from my faith are real.

what benefits are those?

Ones you will never have. Peace through the storm.

of course you won't tell me because it's bullshit
why are you afraid to tell me?? hahahahhaha
any ''benefits '''you get, you don't need god to get

I just told you. Peace through the storm. The best you can ever hope for is to suffer without complaint.

you don't need god for that = god is unnecessary

Remember this when you are suffering and then get back to me.

 

[ding]

Faith in God turns on all the learning centers in the brain.

 

[harmonica]

what benefits are those?

Ones you will never have. Peace through the storm.

of course you won't tell me because it's bullshit
why are you afraid to tell me?? hahahahhaha
any ''benefits '''you get, you don't need god to get

I just told you. Peace through the storm. The best you can ever hope for is to suffer without complaint.

you don't need god for that = god is unnecessary

Remember this when you are suffering and then get back to me.

please O GREAT ONE, give us some wisdom

 

[ding]

Ones you will never have. Peace through the storm.

of course you won't tell me because it's bullshit
why are you afraid to tell me?? hahahahhaha
any ''benefits '''you get, you don't need god to get

I just told you. Peace through the storm. The best you can ever hope for is to suffer without complaint.

you don't need god for that = god is unnecessary

Remember this when you are suffering and then get back to me.

please O GREAT ONE, give us some wisdom

Wisdom is not given to just any jackanape.

That’s why you can’t discover it when you read the Bible. It is hidden from you.

 

[harmonica]

of course you won't tell me because it's bullshit
why are you afraid to tell me?? hahahahhaha
any ''benefits '''you get, you don't need god to get

I just told you. Peace through the storm. The best you can ever hope for is to suffer without complaint.

you don't need god for that = god is unnecessary

Remember this when you are suffering and then get back to me.

please O GREAT ONE, give us some wisdom

Wisdom is not given to just any jackanape.

That’s why you can’t discover it when you read the Bible. It is hidden from you.

thank you O Great One
that is very deep and not bullshit ....hahahahahhahah

 

[ding]

Faith in God leads to accountability.

 

[ding]

I just told you. Peace through the storm. The best you can ever hope for is to suffer without complaint.

you don't need god for that = god is unnecessary

Remember this when you are suffering and then get back to me.

please O GREAT ONE, give us some wisdom

Wisdom is not given to just any jackanape.

That’s why you can’t discover it when you read the Bible. It is hidden from you.

thank you O Great One
that is very deep and not bullshit ....hahahahahhahah

You are very welcome. I hope your suffering ends soon.