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Collateral damage and all that.
Yeah... I'm not sure the families of the dead give much of a shit about the distinction you're trying to draw there.Collateral damage is one thing.
Intentionally targeting noncombatants—especially children—is another thing entirely.
They’re going to care shortlyYeah... I'm not sure the families of the dead give much of a shit about the distinction you're trying to draw there.
As will Israel's. That's kind of the point.They’re going to care shortly
Oh, you have their attention…what you are about to witness is why you don’t want their attention…As will Israel's. That's kind of the point.
I don't see how anyone could believe the IDF at face value. This story has not been independently verified.IDF says Hamas fighters killed and decapitated babies at one kibbutz near the Gaza border
After reading this, I honestly don't understand how anyone could be pro-palistinian.
These are the acts of sub human animals.
I'm not Palestinian or a member of HAMAS. I don't have the attention of any government let alone the Israeli government. And the tough guy talk isn't impressive from someone with no skin in the game. Israel is also morning the death of over a thousand of its own citizens and the kidnappings of over a hundred more and HAMAS isn't going to stop. The violence on both sides will continue.Oh, you have their attention…what you are about to witness is why you don’t want their attention…
AFAIK, this news has not been verified - however I wouldn't exclude such a horrible occurrence.IDF says Hamas fighters killed and decapitated babies at one kibbutz near the Gaza border
After reading this, I honestly don't understand how anyone could be pro-palistinian.
These are the acts of sub human animals.
Not really I've had firearms since I was twelveSo, now you’re pro gun? Interesting.
So America is anti-democracy now? We don't get to decide who other nations elect. Anyway, so far as I can tell, this decapitated babies story is based on a reporters interpretation of people's assumptions based on blood being found in cribs, beds and cars eats, not based on any baby heads being found loped off.when Hamas is launching rockets from said apt buildings or hiding terrorists and their leadership in said buildings what do expect them to do ? their is only one group of people that can limit casualties in Palestine and remove Hamas without huge loss of life .. and that group is the Palestinians themselves ..but no they support and empower Hamas ! they literally voted Hamas into power !
Tell me - were is the "moral" difference between e.g. IDF pilot's dropping their bombs - thus killing 260 children in the West-Bank and some Hamas extremist shooting point blank, and/or throwing grenades at anything incl. children?Israeli children weren't collateral damage... they were primary targets.
Palestinians don't announce their targets in advance to allow civilians to clear.
Civilians are the Palestinian's intended victims.
Used to be the case in Lebanon before Islam radicals and the IDF completely fucked up the place in 1982.Bottom line:
In Israel, the government is elected in honest elections; women are treated equally; all religions are respected; freedom of the press exists; gay people are considered to be human beings.
In the Arab world, none of those things exist.
Yeah... I'm not sure the families of the dead give much of a shit about the distinction you're trying to draw there.
I'm not Palestinian or a member of HAMAS.
In Israel, the government is elected in honest elections; women are treated equally; all religions are respected; freedom of the press exists; gay people are considered to be human beings.
In the Arab world, none of those things exist.
I'm not talking about disease. I'm talking about whether or not Hamas goes into Israel and murders women or children or Israel bombs a building going after Hamas and murders women and children the result of dead women and children is the same.So, perhaps, do the parents of a child who died of a disease or accident, in which no one is culpable at all, care about the distinction between that death, and the death of a child that was intentionally murdered.
Agreed, but for some reason people seem to think it's less devastating to Palestinian families when Israel does it because they do it under the guise of targeting Hamas.Either way, a child is dead,
Like when you launch rockets at apartment buildings.But culpability does matter.
Also greed.War is nasty business. People die, who do not deserve to die.
Principles are subjective. That's what it means when people say one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. You can quote the rule book but desperate people or people who think they have nothing to lose aren't going to care about your rules.But still, there are certain principles agreed and observed, even in war, by all civilized participants. Among them is that directly and intentionally targeting noncombatants is a serious war crime, the very definition of terrorism.
I'm not defending Hamas. I'm just not defending Israel either.No, but you are openly, unabashedly defending their murderous, criminal behavior. This makes you not much better than they are.
It is spelled "mourning".I'm not Palestinian or a member of HAMAS. I don't have the attention of any government let alone the Israeli government. And the tough guy talk isn't impressive from someone with no skin in the game. Israel is also morning the death of over a thousand of its own citizens and the kidnappings of over a hundred more and HAMAS isn't going to stop. The violence on both sides will continue.
Good for you.It is spelled "mourning".
