Debunking the Voting Fraud Conspiracy Theories

[Toro]

First, in Wisconsin, the conspiracy theory that there was a big fraudulent dump for Biden in the middle of the night. This is false. The increase in votes overnight was due to how ballots are processed, counted and reported in Wisconsin.

The morning after Election Day, President Donald Trump took to Twitter and claimed that people were “finding Biden votes all over the place — in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan.”​

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At a press conference in Philadelphia that afternoon, Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani repeated the deceptive claim. “In Wisconsin, mysteriously at 4 in the morning, 120,000 ballots appeared,” Giuliani said. “Here come these ballots. Well, we have no idea if they really are ballots.”​

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Across social media, supporters picked up the narrative. “Between 3:30-4:30AM, they ‘found’ 140,000 mail in ballots for Biden in Wisconsin,” tweeted Nick Adams, a staunch pro-Trump political commentator. He added, falsely: “All for Biden. None for Trump.” ...​

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For years, Wisconsin’s clerks have asked the Legislature for flexibility in counting absentee ballots. One bill last year proposed allowing clerks to start pre-processing absentee ballots the day before Election Day. Another proposed to at least allow in-person absentee voters to feed their ballots into tabulators.​

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Clerks said either measure would save them from the extraordinary stress of processing increasingly large numbers of absentee ballots on Election Day. Such flexibility became even more urgent as COVID-19’s spread made it clear that a record-breaking 1.8 million Wisconsinites could cast absentee ballots this election. ...​

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The viral firestorm of misinformation about absentee ballots is “precisely” the type of drama that clerks hoped to avoid, said Milwaukee Election Commission head Claire Woodall-Vogg. ...​

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Wisconsin is one of just four states where election workers are not allowed to pre-process absentee ballots until Election Day. Pre-processing could cover a range of tasks including slicing open envelopes, fixing damaged ballots and feeding them through tabulator machines. ...​

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Although the machines would be keeping a tally, the counts would not be known to clerks or disclosed to the public until after the polls closed on Election Day. ...​

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As a result, cities like Milwaukee and Green Bay that transport their ballots to a central location for counting did not finish tabulating absentee results until 2 to 4 a.m. And because many Democratic voters chose absentee voting this year, that meant the majority of votes processed at the end were for former Vice President Joe Biden.​

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For weeks, top officials and election experts have been telling the public to expect this pattern because absentee ballot results are often the last to be tabulated.​

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“The absentee ballots in MKE that were reported in the early morning hours were NOT a surprise," Assembly Majority Leader Jim Steineke, R-Kaukauna, wrote on Facebook on Wednesday. "We knew exactly how many were out there the entire day. Them being reported late is NOT an indication of fraud.” ...​

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A Journal Sentinel analysis of Associated Press data shows that between 3:26 a.m. and 3:44 a.m., Biden’s share of votes in Wisconsin jumped by 149,520 and Trump’s by 31,803. The vast majority of the new votes were due to Wisconsin’s largest city, Milwaukee, finishing its absentee count and reporting 143,124 votes for Biden and 23,642 votes for Trump.​

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Under the law, municipalities like Milwaukee that count ballots in a central facility instead of at the polling site must report their tallies in a lump sum. Woodall-Vogg said she asked the Wisconsin Elections Commission for permission to release a partial update of results at 8 p.m. specifically “to avoid this dramatic narrative that’s completely false.”​

Ballot clerks asked for help. Lawmakers didn't act. Disinformation followed.

The Legislature had a chance to head off the confusion and misinformation about Wisconsin's late-night ballot count. Lawmakers didn't take action.

www.jsonline.com

 

[Toro]

Second, dead people are voting. Lots of good stuff in the article below, but to pick out one exert.

One of the supposed pieces of evidence was a list that circulated on Twitter Thursday evening allegedly containing names, birth dates, and zip codes for registered voters in Michigan. The origin of the list and the identity of the person who first made it public are not known.​

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CNN examined 50 of the more than 14,000 names on the list by taking the first 25 names on the list and then 25 more picked at random. We ran the names through Michigan's Voter Information database to see if they requested or returned a ballot. We then checked the names against publicly available records to see if they were indeed dead.​

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Of the 50, 37 were indeed dead and had not voted, according to the voter information database. Five people out of the 50 had voted -- and they are all still alive, according to public records accessed by CNN. The remaining eight are also alive but didn't vote.​

Claims that dead people voted went viral. These are the facts

To hear some people tell it -- including a handful of prominent Republicans, such as members of President Trump's family and supporters like former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and former acting Director of National Intelligence Richard Grenell -- you might think that Democrats were using dead...

www.cnn.com

 

[Toro]

Third, that election clerks were altering ballots in Wisconsin.

O'Donnell Missing the Point in Fraud Claim - RightWisconsin

What O'Donnell and Gabelman are discussing is not "vote fraud." It is a voter clerical error that's fixable.

rightwisconsin.com

 

[johngaltshrugged]

How does this prove massive voter fraud didn't happen specifically? You provide a few instances but discount the mountains of evidence showing it was indeed compromised.
We'll see soon enough when the investigations are completed & everything comes to light.
Gonna be rough, you made it too obvious this time out of desperation

 

[shockedcanadian]

Dominion Software. That's the angle I would explore, especially because 6 years ago in N.B (I posted the article from CBC yesterday), not only was there another such "glitch", which conveniently the CEO blamed on someone outside the software but didn't know who it was, but, also citizens were weary of the results then.

That was 6 years ago. In Canada we are so conditioned to NOT pursue conspiracies, that in fact, conspiracies and abuses just go without challenge. Be it bribery of officials (we have the worst record in the G20) to government abuses against citizens. It's why China has decimated and spied on or economy for decades, and in return, we get to work in their warehouses they build in Canada.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Second, dead people are voting. Lots of good stuff in the article below, but to pick out one exert.

One of the supposed pieces of evidence was a list that circulated on Twitter Thursday evening allegedly containing names, birth dates, and zip codes for registered voters in Michigan. The origin of the list and the identity of the person who first made it public are not known.​

​

CNN examined 50 of the more than 14,000 names on the list by taking the first 25 names on the list and then 25 more picked at random. We ran the names through Michigan's Voter Information database to see if they requested or returned a ballot. We then checked the names against publicly available records to see if they were indeed dead.​

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Of the 50, 37 were indeed dead and had not voted, according to the voter information database. Five people out of the 50 had voted -- and they are all still alive, according to public records accessed by CNN. The remaining eight are also alive but didn't vote.​

Claims that dead people voted went viral. These are the facts

To hear some people tell it -- including a handful of prominent Republicans, such as members of President Trump's family and supporters like former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and former acting Director of National Intelligence Richard Grenell -- you might think that Democrats were using dead...

www.cnn.com

CNN is not a credible source. Known liars and demagogues are not valid to make a point.

 

[Oddball]

First, in Wisconsin, the conspiracy theory that there was a big fraudulent dump for Biden in the middle of the night. This is false. The increase in votes overnight was due to how ballots are processed, counted and reported in Wisconsin.

The morning after Election Day, President Donald Trump took to Twitter and claimed that people were “finding Biden votes all over the place — in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan.”​

​

At a press conference in Philadelphia that afternoon, Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani repeated the deceptive claim. “In Wisconsin, mysteriously at 4 in the morning, 120,000 ballots appeared,” Giuliani said. “Here come these ballots. Well, we have no idea if they really are ballots.”​

​

Across social media, supporters picked up the narrative. “Between 3:30-4:30AM, they ‘found’ 140,000 mail in ballots for Biden in Wisconsin,” tweeted Nick Adams, a staunch pro-Trump political commentator. He added, falsely: “All for Biden. None for Trump.” ...​

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For years, Wisconsin’s clerks have asked the Legislature for flexibility in counting absentee ballots. One bill last year proposed allowing clerks to start pre-processing absentee ballots the day before Election Day. Another proposed to at least allow in-person absentee voters to feed their ballots into tabulators.​

​

Clerks said either measure would save them from the extraordinary stress of processing increasingly large numbers of absentee ballots on Election Day. Such flexibility became even more urgent as COVID-19’s spread made it clear that a record-breaking 1.8 million Wisconsinites could cast absentee ballots this election. ...​

​

The viral firestorm of misinformation about absentee ballots is “precisely” the type of drama that clerks hoped to avoid, said Milwaukee Election Commission head Claire Woodall-Vogg. ...​

​

Wisconsin is one of just four states where election workers are not allowed to pre-process absentee ballots until Election Day. Pre-processing could cover a range of tasks including slicing open envelopes, fixing damaged ballots and feeding them through tabulator machines. ...​

​

Although the machines would be keeping a tally, the counts would not be known to clerks or disclosed to the public until after the polls closed on Election Day. ...​

​

As a result, cities like Milwaukee and Green Bay that transport their ballots to a central location for counting did not finish tabulating absentee results until 2 to 4 a.m. And because many Democratic voters chose absentee voting this year, that meant the majority of votes processed at the end were for former Vice President Joe Biden.​

​

For weeks, top officials and election experts have been telling the public to expect this pattern because absentee ballot results are often the last to be tabulated.​

​

“The absentee ballots in MKE that were reported in the early morning hours were NOT a surprise," Assembly Majority Leader Jim Steineke, R-Kaukauna, wrote on Facebook on Wednesday. "We knew exactly how many were out there the entire day. Them being reported late is NOT an indication of fraud.” ...​

​

A Journal Sentinel analysis of Associated Press data shows that between 3:26 a.m. and 3:44 a.m., Biden’s share of votes in Wisconsin jumped by 149,520 and Trump’s by 31,803. The vast majority of the new votes were due to Wisconsin’s largest city, Milwaukee, finishing its absentee count and reporting 143,124 votes for Biden and 23,642 votes for Trump.​

​

Under the law, municipalities like Milwaukee that count ballots in a central facility instead of at the polling site must report their tallies in a lump sum. Woodall-Vogg said she asked the Wisconsin Elections Commission for permission to release a partial update of results at 8 p.m. specifically “to avoid this dramatic narrative that’s completely false.”​

Ballot clerks asked for help. Lawmakers didn't act. Disinformation followed.

The Legislature had a chance to head off the confusion and misinformation about Wisconsin's late-night ballot count. Lawmakers didn't take action.

www.jsonline.com

Where is the real Toro, and when is he coming back?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Second, dead people are voting. Lots of good stuff in the article below, but to pick out one exert.

One of the supposed pieces of evidence was a list that circulated on Twitter Thursday evening allegedly containing names, birth dates, and zip codes for registered voters in Michigan. The origin of the list and the identity of the person who first made it public are not known.​

​

CNN examined 50 of the more than 14,000 names on the list by taking the first 25 names on the list and then 25 more picked at random. We ran the names through Michigan's Voter Information database to see if they requested or returned a ballot. We then checked the names against publicly available records to see if they were indeed dead.​

​

Of the 50, 37 were indeed dead and had not voted, according to the voter information database. Five people out of the 50 had voted -- and they are all still alive, according to public records accessed by CNN. The remaining eight are also alive but didn't vote.​

Claims that dead people voted went viral. These are the facts

To hear some people tell it -- including a handful of prominent Republicans, such as members of President Trump's family and supporters like former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and former acting Director of National Intelligence Richard Grenell -- you might think that Democrats were using dead...

www.cnn.com

CNN is credible and unbiased. Thank you for posting.

 

[Oddball]

Dominion Software. That's the angle I would explore, especially because 6 years ago in N.B (I posted the article from CBC yesterday), not only was there another such "glitch", which conveniently the CEO blamed on someone outside the software but didn't know who it was, but, also citizens were weary of the results then.

That was 6 years ago. In Canada we are so conditioned to NOT pursue conspiracies, that in fact, conspiracies and abuses just go without challenge. Be it bribery of officials (we have the worst record in the G20) to government abuses against citizens. It's why China has decimated and spied on or economy for decades, and in return, we get to work in their warehouses they build in Canada.

That's the one that is most credible, to the point that it's getting out into mainstream sources.

Didn't buy the watermark one, as the logistics of pulling that off are too staggering.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Nothing has been "debunked". Don't worry. Wisconsin will get their day in court to explain all the
vote counting inconsistencies in their state.

 

[Toro]

How does this prove massive voter fraud didn't happen specifically? You provide a few instances but discount the mountains of evidence showing it was indeed compromised.
We'll see soon enough when the investigations are completed & everything comes to light.
Gonna be rough, you made it too obvious this time out of desperation

You have to prove "massive voter fraud." Simply because your media feeds you that line doesn't mean it's true.

 

[Slade3200]

How does this prove massive voter fraud didn't happen specifically? You provide a few instances but discount the mountains of evidence showing it was indeed compromised.
We'll see soon enough when the investigations are completed & everything comes to light.
Gonna be rough, you made it too obvious this time out of desperation

There is not mountains of evidence. Also your wait and see excuse expired at Durham. I’m not buying it. There are not facts to back your claims. Those in charge say there’s no significant fraud, and the noise, as always, is only being made by aggrieved Trumpsters. It’s transparent and pathetic. Move on.

 

[Toro]

Nothing has been "debunked". Don't worry. Wisconsin will get their day in court to explain all the
vote counting inconsistencies in their state.

Well, they better do better than the last lawsuit they filed, which was thrown out of court pretty quickly.

 

[Uncensored2008]

You have to prove "massive voter fraud." Simply because your media feeds you that line doesn't mean it's true.

That's true. The onus is on the accuser.

So why did you post a bunch of little Goebbels fact changers? The above is actually sensible.

 

[Toro]

In NV, the Trump campaign has filed four lawsuits. All four have been thrown out of court.

“All four of the lawsuits that the Trump administration has filed in our state have been thrown out that I have been participating in,” explained Nevada Attorney General Aaron Ford. “They continue to come with frivolous, baseless claims of speculation about voter fraud that's widespread, that ostensibly is changing the results of the election. And we continue to get them tossed out of court.”​

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One allegation the Trump campaign makes is that dead people voted in the election, said Ford, “but they've not filed a complaint with my office. They continue to operate through the media as a PR stunt to blow up my timeline on Twitter to make it appear as though we're not doing our job, when the fact is, they have not presented a complaint with us that we can even verify, let alone investigate.”​

Trump has come up with ‘frivolous, baseless claims’ of voter fraud: Nevada AG Aaron Ford

Nevada Attorney General Aaron Ford speaks to Yahoo Finance about lawsuits from the Trump campaign over the election.

www.yahoo.com

 

[johngaltshrugged]

How does this prove massive voter fraud didn't happen specifically? You provide a few instances but discount the mountains of evidence showing it was indeed compromised.
We'll see soon enough when the investigations are completed & everything comes to light.
Gonna be rough, you made it too obvious this time out of desperation

There is not mountains of evidence. Also your wait and see excuse expired at Durham. I’m not buying it. There are not facts to back your claims. Those in charge say there’s no significant fraud, and the noise, as always, is only being made by aggrieved Trumpsters. It’s transparent and pathetic. Move on.

Wow, a bunch of corrupt Deep State fascists say n othing to see here? Totally convinced me kid

 

[OldLady]

Another popular one is that they have found 450,000 votes in several states where voters selected only Biden. This is fraud because, according to the believers, the Democrats created these ballots in the dead of night to quick put Biden ahead, and it was faster not to complete the rest of the ballot.

We don't know how many voted only for Trump, but "undervoting" is an actual thing, and a whole lot of people did it in 2016, as well: For example, in Georgia in 2016, the race for president garnered over 200,000 more votes than for the state Senate race; in Florida during the same race, it was 120,000 votes more.
That's a lot more than Sidney Powell is claiming.

One moment, please...

 

[BluesLegend]

We'll see you in court Dem cheaters.

 

[Toro]

That's true. The onus is on the accuser.

Which is why your side keeps getting their petitions thrown out of court. The accusations are baseless.

 

[Billiejeens]

How does this prove massive voter fraud didn't happen specifically? You provide a few instances but discount the mountains of evidence showing it was indeed compromised.
We'll see soon enough when the investigations are completed & everything comes to light.
Gonna be rough, you made it too obvious this time out of desperation

You have to prove "massive voter fraud." Simply because your media feeds you that line doesn't mean it's true.

Simply because your media says don't look there
Doesn't make it not true.