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You are missing Indeependent's standard Talmudic point, that the details aren't covered in the Old Testament. The Talmudic assumption is that people can't think for themselves and therefore every detail must be spelled out as it is in the Talmud.Then why do Kosher butcher's discard the fat and extract the blood from meat?There's also no explanation of how to slaughter an animal or make tefillin.
Of course I am referring to the Christian concept of Satan. Satan with a capital "S" (proper noun) has no meaning in the Old Testament.Nope.Satan has no ideology and will attach himself to whatever leads to power, kind of like Trump.
Then why do Kosher butcher's discard the fat and extract the blood from meat?
The fat surrounding the sciatic nerve must be removed by an expert because God forbade that nerve after Jacob's fight with the "man".There's also no explanation of how to slaughter an animal or make tefillin.It's threads like these that give me immense Simcha that I'm a Jew.
Did I miss the mark with my analysis of Levitical Law. Doesn't it all boil down to making a choice between life and death with every decision you make throughout the day?
Man must be as mindful of God and God's universe as God is of His universe.
The next, and only, acceptable level is being a Noachide.
There is no reference to Noahchide law in the Torah.
Then why do Kosher butcher's discard the fat and extract the blood from meat?
Are you awake when you post?Which facts?
You just mentioned your jobs was to orchestrate a hate campaign.
Hate campaign are rarely fact filled.
The bottom line is that Saul (Paul) made a point of ridiculing EVERYTHING in the Torah because be didn't want the new religion to be dependent on the "old" religion.Then why do Kosher butcher's discard the fat and extract the blood from meat?
Because they do not understand the meaning of the words or subjects of ritual sacrifice that are hidden and not directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used.
Flesh is a metaphor for teaching, blood is a metaphor for practices. Thats why it is kosher to eat the flesh of certain beasts but not to drink their blood for the life is in the blood, meaning the practices by which they believe that they receive and perpetuate life cannot be imitated. another words, you can accept some of what they teach but never do what they do.
And the fat is trimmed from the meat and thrown on the fire as soothing and fragrant offering to the Lord meaning that the bullshit is trimmed, separated, from whatever teaching that is good of whatever animal that is being sacrificed and is destroyed. This is what is pleasing to the Lord, this is what Jesus meant by saying that the time is coming when real worshippers will worship God in spirit and in truth..
According to the law life is in the blood and life is also the promise for compliance with the divine commands.
Thats why Jesus said that unless you eat his flesh and drink his blood you can have no life in you.
The bottom line is that Saul (Paul) made a point of ridiculing EVERYTHING in the Torah because be didn't want the new religion to be dependent on the "old" religion.Then why do Kosher butcher's discard the fat and extract the blood from meat?
Because they do not understand the meaning of the words or subjects of ritual sacrifice that are hidden and not directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used.
Flesh is a metaphor for teaching, blood is a metaphor for practices. Thats why it is kosher to eat the flesh of certain beasts but not to drink their blood for the life is in the blood, meaning the practices by which they believe that they receive and perpetuate life cannot be imitated. another words, you can accept some of what they teach but never do what they do.
And the fat is trimmed from the meat and thrown on the fire as soothing and fragrant offering to the Lord meaning that the bullshit is trimmed, separated, from whatever teaching that is good of whatever animal that is being sacrificed and is destroyed. This is what is pleasing to the Lord, this is what Jesus meant by saying that the time is coming when real worshippers will worship God in spirit and in truth..
According to the law life is in the blood and life is also the promise for compliance with the divine commands.
Thats why Jesus said that unless you eat his flesh and drink his blood you can have no life in you.
Could be, but he went to the Gentiles after being rejected by the Jews.The bottom line is that Saul (Paul) made a point of ridiculing EVERYTHING in the Torah because be didn't want the new religion to be dependent on the "old" religion.Then why do Kosher butcher's discard the fat and extract the blood from meat?
Because they do not understand the meaning of the words or subjects of ritual sacrifice that are hidden and not directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used.
Flesh is a metaphor for teaching, blood is a metaphor for practices. Thats why it is kosher to eat the flesh of certain beasts but not to drink their blood for the life is in the blood, meaning the practices by which they believe that they receive and perpetuate life cannot be imitated. another words, you can accept some of what they teach but never do what they do.
And the fat is trimmed from the meat and thrown on the fire as soothing and fragrant offering to the Lord meaning that the bullshit is trimmed, separated, from whatever teaching that is good of whatever animal that is being sacrificed and is destroyed. This is what is pleasing to the Lord, this is what Jesus meant by saying that the time is coming when real worshippers will worship God in spirit and in truth..
According to the law life is in the blood and life is also the promise for compliance with the divine commands.
Thats why Jesus said that unless you eat his flesh and drink his blood you can have no life in you.
I think he made a point to distort and pervert the words of Jesus among the gentiles who would never know the difference in an attempt to insure that the Jewish people would reject the entire movement out of hand and never discover what he was really teaching..
Could be, but he went to the Gentiles after being rejected by the Jews.The bottom line is that Saul (Paul) made a point of ridiculing EVERYTHING in the Torah because be didn't want the new religion to be dependent on the "old" religion.Then why do Kosher butcher's discard the fat and extract the blood from meat?
Because they do not understand the meaning of the words or subjects of ritual sacrifice that are hidden and not directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used.
Flesh is a metaphor for teaching, blood is a metaphor for practices. Thats why it is kosher to eat the flesh of certain beasts but not to drink their blood for the life is in the blood, meaning the practices by which they believe that they receive and perpetuate life cannot be imitated. another words, you can accept some of what they teach but never do what they do.
And the fat is trimmed from the meat and thrown on the fire as soothing and fragrant offering to the Lord meaning that the bullshit is trimmed, separated, from whatever teaching that is good of whatever animal that is being sacrificed and is destroyed. This is what is pleasing to the Lord, this is what Jesus meant by saying that the time is coming when real worshippers will worship God in spirit and in truth..
According to the law life is in the blood and life is also the promise for compliance with the divine commands.
Thats why Jesus said that unless you eat his flesh and drink his blood you can have no life in you.
I think he made a point to distort and pervert the words of Jesus among the gentiles who would never know the difference in an attempt to insure that the Jewish people would reject the entire movement out of hand and never discover what he was really teaching..
Kind of difficult to pervert Scripture amongst people who learn it all their lives.
No they do not. God is not a short-sighted bureaucrat. The core of the covenant is to follow the principles taught in the Torah. The only eternal laws are the Ten Commandments. All the other laws are simply an application of the Torah principles for that time and place. All of the laws are worth studying to help understand the principles behind them, and then to apply those principles to modern circumstances.Laws of the Old Testament which demand the death penalty
The Old Testament, includes a surprising number of crimes which merit the death penalty as punishment. These laws were believed to form an integral part of the overall "Covenant" between those who worship Yahweh.
All ancient "god worship" is bull shit.....I rest my case!
Do you need a new aluminum liner for your hat?
I think fschmidt is right. The Torah gives you two choices: life or death. The things that have the potential to cause death are frowned upon. The things that have the potential to cause life are celebrated. Eating shrimp, lobster, catfish and other bottom feeders is one good example. Even in modern times we know that the bycatch when catching bottom feeders is 5 pounds per 1 pound of the intended catch. Other types of fish can be caught with little to no bycatch. Eating shrimp shows that you choose life over death. Another example is that you cannot have sex with a woman on her period. A woman's period is literally the death of an egg that had the potential for life. That was a time for the woman to mourn the loss of life not to celebrate in joyous sex. Semen shooting into any place other than a female vagina is also considered the loss of human life. That is why male homosexuality was viewed as anti-life thus death. Female homosexuality isn't mentioned at all in the Old Testament. Adultery, stealing, murder, bearing false witness are all actions that can lead to your own death. Those practices were to be avoided as well. The Book of Leviticus is an exaggerated and impractical guide for showing the ultimate respect for life in every aspect of your day to day activities.
The Levitical law isn't all that ridiculous if you understand the high standard that is being presented. When you say, "Don't eat shrimp because it's bad." it has little effect. When you say, "Eating shrimp is an abomination." it has a more dramatic impact to inspire an aversion. When you say, "Don't join another religion or you shall surely be put to death." it has an even greater emotional appeal to avoid that behavior. The Hebrew culture respects life. If you know any Jewish people personally then you probably notice they treat people differently than the average person. There were even rituals for killing the animals that they ate for meat because this was a sad occasion as well. The animal had to die so that we may live.
Leviticus is my favorite book of the Bible. I just wish people understood that it is written as a standard not an absolute.
It's threads like these that give me immense Simcha that I'm a Jew.
You have a few things wrong. "Cut off from their people" does not mean the death penalty.
The death penalty made sense back then, but I don't think it does today when a life sentence is practical. In any case, I love the Old Testament and it certainly reflects my values much better than modern culture does.
Adultery (Lev 20:10-12, (man and woman).
- Lying about virginity. Applies to girls who are still in their fathers' homes, who lie about their virginity, and are presented to their husband as a virgin. The accused is guilty until proved innocent. (Deut 22:20-21).
- Making love to a virgin pledged to be married to another. Applies to man who deflowers virgin pledged to be married, and to the virgin if she does not call for help. (Deut 22:23-24).
- The daughter of a priest practicing prostitution (death by fire) (Lev 21:9).
- Rape of someone who is engaged. If she is not engaged you only have to marry her and give her father 50 shekels. No mention is made of the girl’s opinion. (Deut 22:25).
- Men practicing bestiality. (Both man and animal die). (Lev 20:15)
- Women practicing bestiality (Both woman and animal die). (Lev 20:16)
- Having sex with your father’s wife, as distinct from "your mother", as it was common practice for men at the time to have several wives. (both die). (Lev 20:20).
- Having sex with your daughter in law. (Lev 20:30)
- Incest. (Lev 20:17)
- Male homosexuality. The girls seem to get a free .. errrr ...ride on this one. (Lev 20:13).
- Marrying a woman and her daughter. They are all burnt to death (Lev 20:14)
- Worshiping idols (Ex 22:20, Lev 20:1-5, Deut 17:2-7).
- Blasphemy (Lev 24:14-16,23).
- Breaking the Sabbath (Ex 31:14, Numb 15:32-36).
- Practicing magic (Ex 22:18).
- Being a medium or spiritualist. (stoning) (Lev 20:27).
- Trying to convert people to another religion. (stoning) (Deut 13:1-11, 18:20).
- Apostasy - If most people in a town come to believe in a different god. (Kill everybody, including animals, and burn the town.) (Deut 13:12-15)
- Giving one of your descents to Molech. Probably refers to human sacrifice and is not now commonly practiced in the west. (Lev 20:2)
- Non-priests going near the tabernacle when it is being moved. (Numb 1:51)
- Being a false prophet. (Deut 132:5, Deut 18:20, Zech 13:2-3)
- Striking your parents (Ex 21:15).
- Cursing your parents (Ex 21:17, Lev 20:9).
- Being a stubborn and rebellious son. And being a profligate and a drunkard. (stoning) (Quite a few of us might have a problem with this one)(Deut 21:18-21)
- Murder. However if a slave is beaten to death the owner is “punished” — not necessarily killed. If the slave survives the beating then there is no punishment. (Gen 9:6, Ex 21:12, Numb 35:16-21). This is part of a wide range of slavery laws in the Old and New Testament.
- Kidnapping and selling a man. This is really a law against making an Israelite a slave against his will. (Ex 21:16).
- Perjury (in certain cases) (Deut 19:15 - 21). Deut 19:20 explicitly identifies that the purpose of this is deterrence. "The rest of the people will hear of this and be afraid, and never again will such an evil thing (malicious and false testimony by one man against another) be done among you." Presumably all the other death penalties are assumed to be for deterrence as well.
- Ignoring the verdict of a judge – (or a priest!) (Deut 17:8-13).
- Not penning up a known dangerous bull, if the bull subsequently kills a man or a woman. (Ex 21:29) Both the animal and the reckless owner of the dangerous bull are to be put to death.
- Living in a city that failed to surrender to the Israelites. (Kill all the men, make the women and children slaves.) Deut 20:12-14.
- The following carry the punishment of being "cut off from his people". Some people seem to feel that this is the same as the death penalty.
- A male who is not circumcised. Genesis 17:14
- Eating leavened bread during the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Exodus 12:15
- Manufacturing anointing oil. Exodus 30:33
- Engaging in ritual animal sacrifices other than at the temple. Leviticus 17:1-9
- Sexual activity with a woman who is menstruating: Leviticus 20:18
- Consuming blood: This would presumably include eating rare meat and black pudding. Also see above. Leviticus 17:10.
- Eating peace offerings while ritually unclean: Leviticus 7:20
- Waiting too long before consuming sacrifices: Leviticus 19:5-8
- Going to the temple in an unclean state: Numbers 19:13
should we stone you to death for mixing fibers?
Nope. That wasn't punishable by death in Levitical Law either.
No they do not. God is not a short-sighted bureaucrat. The core of the covenant is to follow the principles taught in the Torah. The only eternal laws are the Ten Commandments. All the other laws are simply an application of the Torah principles for that time and place. All of the laws are worth studying to help understand the principles behind them, and then to apply those principles to modern circumstances.Laws of the Old Testament which demand the death penalty
The Old Testament, includes a surprising number of crimes which merit the death penalty as punishment. These laws were believed to form an integral part of the overall "Covenant" between those who worship Yahweh.
All ancient "god worship" is bull shit.....I rest my case!
Do you need a new aluminum liner for your hat?
I think fschmidt is right. The Torah gives you two choices: life or death. The things that have the potential to cause death are frowned upon. The things that have the potential to cause life are celebrated. Eating shrimp, lobster, catfish and other bottom feeders is one good example. Even in modern times we know that the bycatch when catching bottom feeders is 5 pounds per 1 pound of the intended catch. Other types of fish can be caught with little to no bycatch. Eating shrimp shows that you choose life over death. Another example is that you cannot have sex with a woman on her period. A woman's period is literally the death of an egg that had the potential for life. That was a time for the woman to mourn the loss of life not to celebrate in joyous sex. Semen shooting into any place other than a female vagina is also considered the loss of human life. That is why male homosexuality was viewed as anti-life thus death. Female homosexuality isn't mentioned at all in the Old Testament. Adultery, stealing, murder, bearing false witness are all actions that can lead to your own death. Those practices were to be avoided as well. The Book of Leviticus is an exaggerated and impractical guide for showing the ultimate respect for life in every aspect of your day to day activities.
The Levitical law isn't all that ridiculous if you understand the high standard that is being presented. When you say, "Don't eat shrimp because it's bad." it has little effect. When you say, "Eating shrimp is an abomination." it has a more dramatic impact to inspire an aversion. When you say, "Don't join another religion or you shall surely be put to death." it has an even greater emotional appeal to avoid that behavior. The Hebrew culture respects life. If you know any Jewish people personally then you probably notice they treat people differently than the average person. There were even rituals for killing the animals that they ate for meat because this was a sad occasion as well. The animal had to die so that we may live.
Leviticus is my favorite book of the Bible. I just wish people understood that it is written as a standard not an absolute.It's threads like these that give me immense Simcha that I'm a Jew.
reading some of the above posts has been something like
listening to the chit chat that goes on in the waiting rooms of the methadone clinics
Adultery (Lev 20:10-12, (man and woman).
- Lying about virginity. Applies to girls who are still in their fathers' homes, who lie about their virginity, and are presented to their husband as a virgin. The accused is guilty until proved innocent. (Deut 22:20-21).
- Making love to a virgin pledged to be married to another. Applies to man who deflowers virgin pledged to be married, and to the virgin if she does not call for help. (Deut 22:23-24).
- The daughter of a priest practicing prostitution (death by fire) (Lev 21:9).
- Rape of someone who is engaged. If she is not engaged you only have to marry her and give her father 50 shekels. No mention is made of the girl’s opinion. (Deut 22:25).
- Men practicing bestiality. (Both man and animal die). (Lev 20:15)
- Women practicing bestiality (Both woman and animal die). (Lev 20:16)
- Having sex with your father’s wife, as distinct from "your mother", as it was common practice for men at the time to have several wives. (both die). (Lev 20:20).
- Having sex with your daughter in law. (Lev 20:30)
- Incest. (Lev 20:17)
- Male homosexuality. The girls seem to get a free .. errrr ...ride on this one. (Lev 20:13).
- Marrying a woman and her daughter. They are all burnt to death (Lev 20:14)
- Worshiping idols (Ex 22:20, Lev 20:1-5, Deut 17:2-7).
- Blasphemy (Lev 24:14-16,23).
- Breaking the Sabbath (Ex 31:14, Numb 15:32-36).
- Practicing magic (Ex 22:18).
- Being a medium or spiritualist. (stoning) (Lev 20:27).
- Trying to convert people to another religion. (stoning) (Deut 13:1-11, 18:20).
- Apostasy - If most people in a town come to believe in a different god. (Kill everybody, including animals, and burn the town.) (Deut 13:12-15)
- Giving one of your descents to Molech. Probably refers to human sacrifice and is not now commonly practiced in the west. (Lev 20:2)
- Non-priests going near the tabernacle when it is being moved. (Numb 1:51)
- Being a false prophet. (Deut 132:5, Deut 18:20, Zech 13:2-3)
- Striking your parents (Ex 21:15).
- Cursing your parents (Ex 21:17, Lev 20:9).
- Being a stubborn and rebellious son. And being a profligate and a drunkard. (stoning) (Quite a few of us might have a problem with this one)(Deut 21:18-21)
- Murder. However if a slave is beaten to death the owner is “punished” — not necessarily killed. If the slave survives the beating then there is no punishment. (Gen 9:6, Ex 21:12, Numb 35:16-21). This is part of a wide range of slavery laws in the Old and New Testament.
- Kidnapping and selling a man. This is really a law against making an Israelite a slave against his will. (Ex 21:16).
- Perjury (in certain cases) (Deut 19:15 - 21). Deut 19:20 explicitly identifies that the purpose of this is deterrence. "The rest of the people will hear of this and be afraid, and never again will such an evil thing (malicious and false testimony by one man against another) be done among you." Presumably all the other death penalties are assumed to be for deterrence as well.
- Ignoring the verdict of a judge – (or a priest!) (Deut 17:8-13).
- Not penning up a known dangerous bull, if the bull subsequently kills a man or a woman. (Ex 21:29) Both the animal and the reckless owner of the dangerous bull are to be put to death.
- Living in a city that failed to surrender to the Israelites. (Kill all the men, make the women and children slaves.) Deut 20:12-14.
- The following carry the punishment of being "cut off from his people". Some people seem to feel that this is the same as the death penalty.
- A male who is not circumcised. Genesis 17:14
- Eating leavened bread during the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Exodus 12:15
- Manufacturing anointing oil. Exodus 30:33
- Engaging in ritual animal sacrifices other than at the temple. Leviticus 17:1-9
- Sexual activity with a woman who is menstruating: Leviticus 20:18
- Consuming blood: This would presumably include eating rare meat and black pudding. Also see above. Leviticus 17:10.
- Eating peace offerings while ritually unclean: Leviticus 7:20
- Waiting too long before consuming sacrifices: Leviticus 19:5-8
- Going to the temple in an unclean state: Numbers 19:13
should we stone you to death for mixing fibers?
Nope. That wasn't punishable by death in Levitical Law either.
Being Cut Off is a disconnect between a person's soul and God.
The disconnect CAN be repaired.
No they do not. God is not a short-sighted bureaucrat. The core of the covenant is to follow the principles taught in the Torah. The only eternal laws are the Ten Commandments. All the other laws are simply an application of the Torah principles for that time and place. All of the laws are worth studying to help understand the principles behind them, and then to apply those principles to modern circumstances.Laws of the Old Testament which demand the death penalty
The Old Testament, includes a surprising number of crimes which merit the death penalty as punishment. These laws were believed to form an integral part of the overall "Covenant" between those who worship Yahweh.
All ancient "god worship" is bull shit.....I rest my case!
Do you need a new aluminum liner for your hat?
I think fschmidt is right. The Torah gives you two choices: life or death. The things that have the potential to cause death are frowned upon. The things that have the potential to cause life are celebrated. Eating shrimp, lobster, catfish and other bottom feeders is one good example. Even in modern times we know that the bycatch when catching bottom feeders is 5 pounds per 1 pound of the intended catch. Other types of fish can be caught with little to no bycatch. Eating shrimp shows that you choose life over death. Another example is that you cannot have sex with a woman on her period. A woman's period is literally the death of an egg that had the potential for life. That was a time for the woman to mourn the loss of life not to celebrate in joyous sex. Semen shooting into any place other than a female vagina is also considered the loss of human life. That is why male homosexuality was viewed as anti-life thus death. Female homosexuality isn't mentioned at all in the Old Testament. Adultery, stealing, murder, bearing false witness are all actions that can lead to your own death. Those practices were to be avoided as well. The Book of Leviticus is an exaggerated and impractical guide for showing the ultimate respect for life in every aspect of your day to day activities.
The Levitical law isn't all that ridiculous if you understand the high standard that is being presented. When you say, "Don't eat shrimp because it's bad." it has little effect. When you say, "Eating shrimp is an abomination." it has a more dramatic impact to inspire an aversion. When you say, "Don't join another religion or you shall surely be put to death." it has an even greater emotional appeal to avoid that behavior. The Hebrew culture respects life. If you know any Jewish people personally then you probably notice they treat people differently than the average person. There were even rituals for killing the animals that they ate for meat because this was a sad occasion as well. The animal had to die so that we may live.
Leviticus is my favorite book of the Bible. I just wish people understood that it is written as a standard not an absolute.
You have a few things wrong. "Cut off from their people" does not mean the death penalty.
The death penalty made sense back then, but I don't think it does today when a life sentence is practical. In any case, I love the Old Testament and it certainly reflects my values much better than modern culture does.
Thank you, the OP is the usual misrepresentation of the Hebrew religion.
No they do not. God is not a short-sighted bureaucrat. The core of the covenant is to follow the principles taught in the Torah. The only eternal laws are the Ten Commandments. All the other laws are simply an application of the Torah principles for that time and place. All of the laws are worth studying to help understand the principles behind them, and then to apply those principles to modern circumstances.Laws of the Old Testament which demand the death penalty
The Old Testament, includes a surprising number of crimes which merit the death penalty as punishment. These laws were believed to form an integral part of the overall "Covenant" between those who worship Yahweh.
All ancient "god worship" is bull shit.....I rest my case!
Do you need a new aluminum liner for your hat?
I think fschmidt is right. The Torah gives you two choices: life or death. The things that have the potential to cause death are frowned upon. The things that have the potential to cause life are celebrated. Eating shrimp, lobster, catfish and other bottom feeders is one good example. Even in modern times we know that the bycatch when catching bottom feeders is 5 pounds per 1 pound of the intended catch. Other types of fish can be caught with little to no bycatch. Eating shrimp shows that you choose life over death. Another example is that you cannot have sex with a woman on her period. A woman's period is literally the death of an egg that had the potential for life. That was a time for the woman to mourn the loss of life not to celebrate in joyous sex. Semen shooting into any place other than a female vagina is also considered the loss of human life. That is why male homosexuality was viewed as anti-life thus death. Female homosexuality isn't mentioned at all in the Old Testament. Adultery, stealing, murder, bearing false witness are all actions that can lead to your own death. Those practices were to be avoided as well. The Book of Leviticus is an exaggerated and impractical guide for showing the ultimate respect for life in every aspect of your day to day activities.
The Levitical law isn't all that ridiculous if you understand the high standard that is being presented. When you say, "Don't eat shrimp because it's bad." it has little effect. When you say, "Eating shrimp is an abomination." it has a more dramatic impact to inspire an aversion. When you say, "Don't join another religion or you shall surely be put to death." it has an even greater emotional appeal to avoid that behavior. The Hebrew culture respects life. If you know any Jewish people personally then you probably notice they treat people differently than the average person. There were even rituals for killing the animals that they ate for meat because this was a sad occasion as well. The animal had to die so that we may live.
Leviticus is my favorite book of the Bible. I just wish people understood that it is written as a standard not an absolute.
It sounds to me personally like you have your head up your ass. Other than a few statistical, historical facts the bible is a bunch of old men's dreams.......and that's all it is.
You have a few things wrong. "Cut off from their people" does not mean the death penalty.
The death penalty made sense back then, but I don't think it does today when a life sentence is practical. In any case, I love the Old Testament and it certainly reflects my values much better than modern culture does.
Thank you, the OP is the usual misrepresentation of the Hebrew religion.
Don't look at me.....I didn't say it:
Matthew 5:18
"For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."
You have a few things wrong. "Cut off from their people" does not mean the death penalty.
The death penalty made sense back then, but I don't think it does today when a life sentence is practical. In any case, I love the Old Testament and it certainly reflects my values much better than modern culture does.
Thank you, the OP is the usual misrepresentation of the Hebrew religion.
Don't look at me.....I didn't say it:
Matthew 5:18
"For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."
You have a few things wrong. "Cut off from their people" does not mean the death penalty.
The death penalty made sense back then, but I don't think it does today when a life sentence is practical. In any case, I love the Old Testament and it certainly reflects my values much better than modern culture does.
Thank you, the OP is the usual misrepresentation of the Hebrew religion.
No they do not. God is not a short-sighted bureaucrat. The core of the covenant is to follow the principles taught in the Torah. The only eternal laws are the Ten Commandments. All the other laws are simply an application of the Torah principles for that time and place. All of the laws are worth studying to help understand the principles behind them, and then to apply those principles to modern circumstances.Laws of the Old Testament which demand the death penalty
The Old Testament, includes a surprising number of crimes which merit the death penalty as punishment. These laws were believed to form an integral part of the overall "Covenant" between those who worship Yahweh.
All ancient "god worship" is bull shit.....I rest my case!
Do you need a new aluminum liner for your hat?
I think fschmidt is right. The Torah gives you two choices: life or death. The things that have the potential to cause death are frowned upon. The things that have the potential to cause life are celebrated. Eating shrimp, lobster, catfish and other bottom feeders is one good example. Even in modern times we know that the bycatch when catching bottom feeders is 5 pounds per 1 pound of the intended catch. Other types of fish can be caught with little to no bycatch. Eating shrimp shows that you choose life over death. Another example is that you cannot have sex with a woman on her period. A woman's period is literally the death of an egg that had the potential for life. That was a time for the woman to mourn the loss of life not to celebrate in joyous sex. Semen shooting into any place other than a female vagina is also considered the loss of human life. That is why male homosexuality was viewed as anti-life thus death. Female homosexuality isn't mentioned at all in the Old Testament. Adultery, stealing, murder, bearing false witness are all actions that can lead to your own death. Those practices were to be avoided as well. The Book of Leviticus is an exaggerated and impractical guide for showing the ultimate respect for life in every aspect of your day to day activities.
The Levitical law isn't all that ridiculous if you understand the high standard that is being presented. When you say, "Don't eat shrimp because it's bad." it has little effect. When you say, "Eating shrimp is an abomination." it has a more dramatic impact to inspire an aversion. When you say, "Don't join another religion or you shall surely be put to death." it has an even greater emotional appeal to avoid that behavior. The Hebrew culture respects life. If you know any Jewish people personally then you probably notice they treat people differently than the average person. There were even rituals for killing the animals that they ate for meat because this was a sad occasion as well. The animal had to die so that we may live.
Leviticus is my favorite book of the Bible. I just wish people understood that it is written as a standard not an absolute.It's threads like these that give me immense Simcha that I'm a Jew.
reading some of the above posts has been something like
listening to the chit chat that goes on in the waiting rooms of the methadone clinics
is that something you're familiar with?
There's a difference between a religion and mangling an existing religion.Adultery (Lev 20:10-12, (man and woman).
- Lying about virginity. Applies to girls who are still in their fathers' homes, who lie about their virginity, and are presented to their husband as a virgin. The accused is guilty until proved innocent. (Deut 22:20-21).
- Making love to a virgin pledged to be married to another. Applies to man who deflowers virgin pledged to be married, and to the virgin if she does not call for help. (Deut 22:23-24).
- The daughter of a priest practicing prostitution (death by fire) (Lev 21:9).
- Rape of someone who is engaged. If she is not engaged you only have to marry her and give her father 50 shekels. No mention is made of the girl’s opinion. (Deut 22:25).
- Men practicing bestiality. (Both man and animal die). (Lev 20:15)
- Women practicing bestiality (Both woman and animal die). (Lev 20:16)
- Having sex with your father’s wife, as distinct from "your mother", as it was common practice for men at the time to have several wives. (both die). (Lev 20:20).
- Having sex with your daughter in law. (Lev 20:30)
- Incest. (Lev 20:17)
- Male homosexuality. The girls seem to get a free .. errrr ...ride on this one. (Lev 20:13).
- Marrying a woman and her daughter. They are all burnt to death (Lev 20:14)
- Worshiping idols (Ex 22:20, Lev 20:1-5, Deut 17:2-7).
- Blasphemy (Lev 24:14-16,23).
- Breaking the Sabbath (Ex 31:14, Numb 15:32-36).
- Practicing magic (Ex 22:18).
- Being a medium or spiritualist. (stoning) (Lev 20:27).
- Trying to convert people to another religion. (stoning) (Deut 13:1-11, 18:20).
- Apostasy - If most people in a town come to believe in a different god. (Kill everybody, including animals, and burn the town.) (Deut 13:12-15)
- Giving one of your descents to Molech. Probably refers to human sacrifice and is not now commonly practiced in the west. (Lev 20:2)
- Non-priests going near the tabernacle when it is being moved. (Numb 1:51)
- Being a false prophet. (Deut 132:5, Deut 18:20, Zech 13:2-3)
- Striking your parents (Ex 21:15).
- Cursing your parents (Ex 21:17, Lev 20:9).
- Being a stubborn and rebellious son. And being a profligate and a drunkard. (stoning) (Quite a few of us might have a problem with this one)(Deut 21:18-21)
- Murder. However if a slave is beaten to death the owner is “punished” — not necessarily killed. If the slave survives the beating then there is no punishment. (Gen 9:6, Ex 21:12, Numb 35:16-21). This is part of a wide range of slavery laws in the Old and New Testament.
- Kidnapping and selling a man. This is really a law against making an Israelite a slave against his will. (Ex 21:16).
- Perjury (in certain cases) (Deut 19:15 - 21). Deut 19:20 explicitly identifies that the purpose of this is deterrence. "The rest of the people will hear of this and be afraid, and never again will such an evil thing (malicious and false testimony by one man against another) be done among you." Presumably all the other death penalties are assumed to be for deterrence as well.
- Ignoring the verdict of a judge – (or a priest!) (Deut 17:8-13).
- Not penning up a known dangerous bull, if the bull subsequently kills a man or a woman. (Ex 21:29) Both the animal and the reckless owner of the dangerous bull are to be put to death.
- Living in a city that failed to surrender to the Israelites. (Kill all the men, make the women and children slaves.) Deut 20:12-14.
- The following carry the punishment of being "cut off from his people". Some people seem to feel that this is the same as the death penalty.
- A male who is not circumcised. Genesis 17:14
- Eating leavened bread during the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Exodus 12:15
- Manufacturing anointing oil. Exodus 30:33
- Engaging in ritual animal sacrifices other than at the temple. Leviticus 17:1-9
- Sexual activity with a woman who is menstruating: Leviticus 20:18
- Consuming blood: This would presumably include eating rare meat and black pudding. Also see above. Leviticus 17:10.
- Eating peace offerings while ritually unclean: Leviticus 7:20
- Waiting too long before consuming sacrifices: Leviticus 19:5-8
- Going to the temple in an unclean state: Numbers 19:13
should we stone you to death for mixing fibers?
Nope. That wasn't punishable by death in Levitical Law either.
Being Cut Off is a disconnect between a person's soul and God.
The disconnect CAN be repaired.
it's fine that you believe that.
as long as you understand that that has zero to do with the beliefs of those who don't share your religion
