Dean Baker - It's the Health Care Stupid

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    Interesting article about the deficit, the GOP health care plan, and the media:


    What we're not being told about Paul Ryan's Medicare plan | Dean Baker | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

     
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    And that's why I call Ryan's plan "Plutocracy in Action".
    Ever notice the Ryan supporters never address the specifics of Ryan's plan for Medicare. As a matter of fact, GOP representatives are getting beat up at Town Hall Meetings and many have canceled the Town Hall Meetings they had set up because of the hostile audiences who are mad as hell about Ryan's Medicare plan. Even those who voted for it don't want to defend it.
     
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    If his plan is so bad,and what we have now is not sustainable in its percent form which it is,what would you do?

    we have ignored hard answer issues long enough.
     
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    they spread drivel about the issue being a matter of whether people like the government or the market.

    Its not drivel for many people. Its a core concern,larger and large gov is a very big concern for many,and trivializing ther concerns is well, very wrong. If the last election didnt make that clear nothing ever will.
     
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    The point is that if the real goal is to control costs for health care, then the Ryan plan is totally worthless. The point is NOT whether people like government vs. markets (an entirely artificial debate that does nothing but make plans like Ryan's look serious when they are anything but).

    If you just so happen to believe that it is an a priori truth that government shouldn't be involved in health care at all that's your prerogative, but the main issue here is that Ryan's plan will increase people's health care expenses exponentially over the next decades, and most people will either have no healthcare or go into mountains of further debt to maintain it.
     
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    First of all, I didn't need to read this article to realize that Paul Ryan's plan would bankrupt the vast majority of seniors in a very short time. The program is a nightmare to everyone and would only further increase the costs of healthcare.

    So what is the best way to reduce or better control the cost of Medicare? It's simple; increase the retirement age. Granted there are some people who will be forced on to disability as a good number of manual labor jobs wear people down much earlier in life. However, for the vast majority, working a few more years won't kill them, and since we are living much longer, that is the price of keeping guaranteed healthcare to the end.

    To date, I have not heard of any better plans. If anyone has any, I'd be glad to hear them.
     
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    It's all about perception and actual cost. When people are told over and over again that the private sector can do it better and cheaper, of course they are going to opt for privatization. However, if the actual truth is that privatization is going to cost them substantially more with no guarantee of a better end product or service, then they are going to opt to keep things the way they are, where they know that they will not be left in the cold.

    People, and a lot of them very smart people, have started to take a close look at Ryan's plan, and they all come to the same conclusion. The plan is not only terrible, but it will destroy seniors and leave them without adequate coverage. This plan is going nowhere fast.
     
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    I have yet to see any real economist embrace Ryan's plan.
     
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    If we cut $5000 in government costs per person, but it costs each person $10,000 in the private sector, then it is a net loss. People understand this and will not support this.
     

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