Darwin's Apparatchiks

[PoliticalChic]

Politicalchick,

For your mental health, I suggest stepping away from the computer for a while.

My analogy has destroyed the premise of your thread. There is no need for this thread to continue.

It's time for you to stop and think a minute, so you can realize this.

You expressed your dislike for me, yet we have never met. You simply dislike me because I won't go along with your stupid fantasy that somehow the Theory of Evolution is all a communist plot. That is not a reason to dislike someone. This is yet another reason for you to step away from the computer and get out in the real world to socialize with human beings. You will find that you disagree with a lot of people, but that is no reason to dislike them. I bet you wouldn't be likely to call any of them a "bird brain" to their face either.

I know you think you are more clever than me and are somehow scheming to start a new thread to redeem yourself.

I suggest you stop before you require medication because you will only reinforce the opinion of many of us that you are a foolish man with foolish ideas.

Let's be clear.

The very first I became aware of you was a neg....from a new poster.

No debate....no interaction of any kind.

Therefore, I have, and will, treat you in the way one as mannerless as you deserve.


As you have avoided responding to my question, I'll assume you don't want me to use your name in the OP I plan. Therefore I will use your quote, sans the attribution.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Politicalchick,

For your mental health, I suggest stepping away from the computer for a while.

My analogy has destroyed the premise of your thread. There is no need for this thread to continue.

It's time for you to stop and think a minute, so you can realize this.

You expressed your dislike for me, yet we have never met. You simply dislike me because I won't go along with your stupid fantasy that somehow the Theory of Evolution is all a communist plot. That is not a reason to dislike someone. This is yet another reason for you to step away from the computer and get out in the real world to socialize with human beings. You will find that you disagree with a lot of people, but that is no reason to dislike them. I bet you wouldn't be likely to call any of them a "bird brain" to their face either.

I know you think you are more clever than me and are somehow scheming to start a new thread to redeem yourself.

I suggest you stop before you require medication because you will only reinforce the opinion of many of us that you are a foolish man with foolish ideas.

Check this out.....I made you famous:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/science-and-technology/326936-a-fight-to-the-death.html

 

[Hollie]

Politicalchick,

For your mental health, I suggest stepping away from the computer for a while.

My analogy has destroyed the premise of your thread. There is no need for this thread to continue.

It's time for you to stop and think a minute, so you can realize this.

You expressed your dislike for me, yet we have never met. You simply dislike me because I won't go along with your stupid fantasy that somehow the Theory of Evolution is all a communist plot. That is not a reason to dislike someone. This is yet another reason for you to step away from the computer and get out in the real world to socialize with human beings. You will find that you disagree with a lot of people, but that is no reason to dislike them. I bet you wouldn't be likely to call any of them a "bird brain" to their face either.

I know you think you are more clever than me and are somehow scheming to start a new thread to redeem yourself.

I suggest you stop before you require medication because you will only reinforce the opinion of many of us that you are a foolish man with foolish ideas.

Check this out.....I made you famous:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/science-and-technology/326936-a-fight-to-the-death.html

Yet another thread of phony "quotes".

 

[Peterf]

Now....I was trying to be kind.....but you've forced me to provide the real connection between atheism and those who don't subscribe to "religious claptrap:"



1."For starters, unlike the godless state to which American leftists aspire, Lutheranism is the state-supported religion of Sweden. (Despite this fact, less than 10 per cent of Swedes regularly attend church).

2. According to a Swiss federal government statistical comparison of Switzerland and Sweden, the percentage of Swedish unmarried pregnancies in 1996 was 54% percent — roughly equal to the black community in the United States.




3. Worst of all, the Swedes have not always acted benevolently, as reported on page A1 of the August 29, 1997,Washington Post,

From 1934 to 1974, 62,000 Swedes were sterilized as part of a national program grounded in the science of racial biology and carried out by officials who believed they were helping to build a progressive, enlightened welfare state...In some cases, couples judged to be inferior parents were sterilized, as were their children when they became teenagers.


One woman, aged 72 at the time of the Post article, was sterilized "because she couldn't read a blackboard because she did not have eyeglasses and was deemed to be retarded."

....that "90 per cent of [those sterilizied] were women," and that "the practice, which predated and outlived Nazi Germany, started as an attempt to weed out perceived genetic weaknesses, mental or physical defectsand ended as a method of social control."





4. Unfortunately, sterilizations are just the tip of the iceberg. As the Irish Times and Agence-France Presse reported on April 7, 1998, a Swedish Television documentary reveals that Sweden lobotomized perhaps 4500 "undesirables," in some cases without the consent of their families....the benevolent socialist government of Sweden hoped to discover whether "lobotomies could cure alcoholics and criminals."
Sweden and the Myth of Benevolent Socialism alists.



Aren't you proud?

Or simply dumb as asphalt.




The same pattern and beliefs in Mao's China, Stalin's USSR, in Sweden, in Holland's rampant euthanasia...and in Obama's Death Panels....
...human beings are expendable.
The Left.....populated with psychopaths.

Over and over, history reveals the slaughter and oppression of regimes which mock "creationist religious claptrap."




Even in the 19th century, as religious conviction waned, the warnings were there. Ivan Karamazov, in “The Brothers Karamazov,” exclaimed ‘if God does not exist, then everything is permitted.’

1. You are misinformed. All connections between the state and the Lutheran church were severed many years ago. Happily the second part of your statement is correct. Superstition is almost defeated in Sweden and few attend churches. (The number attending mosques is growing but that is another story).

2. Correct. Fewer Swedes than ever, including member of my extended family, feel the next to get married. There are however some indications that this trend is about to reverse.

3. Enforced sterilisation was long since exposed in the Swedish media and has been agonised over as a national shame ever since.

I am proud to be Swedish - in a very modest sort of way. It is a second nationality which I actually chose to adopt.

And no, I am not dumb, being lucky enough to have an extremely high IQ.

So.....what are you saying? The lobotomy didn't take?


I note that that IQ prevented you from denying the connection between Leftism and sterilization, lobotomies, death panels, gulags, terror famines, oppression, genocide, eugenics, ....just some of the simpler methods of communism, socialism, progressivism, Liberalism.....every stripe of Leftism.


Good stuff, huh?


Heck.....sure would have been terrible if you folks and the others mentioned had stuck to that 'ol' time superstition'......and missed out on all of the above.



Moron.

What a shame that you believe, in your confused way, that to combat leftism one must deny evolution. Rather pathetic and saddening. I feel sorry for you PC

The odd thing is that it is the same type of immature personality that embraces either communism or religion. One which longs for an infallible authority. One which finds an obligation to think for oneself frightening and much prefers submission to dogma.

 

[Peterf]

The long term goal of Christians in politics should be to gain exclusive control over the franchise. Those who refuse to submit publicly to the eternal sanctions of God by submitting to his Church’s public marks of the covenant-baptism and holy communion-must be denied citizenship, just as they were in ancient Israel. Gary North


I hope to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won’t have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again and Christians will be running them. What a happy day that will be. Jerry Falwell


There will never be world peace until Gods house and Gods people are given their rightful place of leadership at the top of the world. Pat Robertson

All three Americans I think. Nowhere else would Christians risk derision and contempt by expressing such intentions.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. You are misinformed. All connections between the state and the Lutheran church were severed many years ago. Happily the second part of your statement is correct. Superstition is almost defeated in Sweden and few attend churches. (The number attending mosques is growing but that is another story).

2. Correct. Fewer Swedes than ever, including member of my extended family, feel the next to get married. There are however some indications that this trend is about to reverse.

3. Enforced sterilisation was long since exposed in the Swedish media and has been agonised over as a national shame ever since.

I am proud to be Swedish - in a very modest sort of way. It is a second nationality which I actually chose to adopt.

And no, I am not dumb, being lucky enough to have an extremely high IQ.

So.....what are you saying? The lobotomy didn't take?


I note that that IQ prevented you from denying the connection between Leftism and sterilization, lobotomies, death panels, gulags, terror famines, oppression, genocide, eugenics, ....just some of the simpler methods of communism, socialism, progressivism, Liberalism.....every stripe of Leftism.


Good stuff, huh?


Heck.....sure would have been terrible if you folks and the others mentioned had stuck to that 'ol' time superstition'......and missed out on all of the above.



Moron.

What a shame that you believe, in your confused way, that to combat leftism one must deny evolution. Rather pathetic and saddening. I feel sorry for you PC

The odd thing is that it is the same type of immature personality that embraces either communism or religion. One which longs for an infallible authority. One which finds an obligation to think for oneself frightening and much prefers submission to dogma.

Changing the subject?


What....ignoring this brilliant paragraph:

"I note that that IQ prevented you from denying the connection between Leftism and sterilization, lobotomies, death panels, gulags, terror famines, oppression, genocide, eugenics, ....just some of the simpler methods of communism, socialism, progressivism, Liberalism.....every stripe of Leftism."



Seems I was wrong: your lobotomy did have an effect.

 

[Hollie]

So.....what are you saying? The lobotomy didn't take?


I note that that IQ prevented you from denying the connection between Leftism and sterilization, lobotomies, death panels, gulags, terror famines, oppression, genocide, eugenics, ....just some of the simpler methods of communism, socialism, progressivism, Liberalism.....every stripe of Leftism.


Good stuff, huh?


Heck.....sure would have been terrible if you folks and the others mentioned had stuck to that 'ol' time superstition'......and missed out on all of the above.



Moron.

What a shame that you believe, in your confused way, that to combat leftism one must deny evolution. Rather pathetic and saddening. I feel sorry for you PC

The odd thing is that it is the same type of immature personality that embraces either communism or religion. One which longs for an infallible authority. One which finds an obligation to think for oneself frightening and much prefers submission to dogma.

Changing the subject?


What....ignoring this brilliant paragraph:

"I note that that IQ prevented you from denying the connection between Leftism and sterilization, lobotomies, death panels, gulags, terror famines, oppression, genocide, eugenics, ....just some of the simpler methods of communism, socialism, progressivism, Liberalism.....every stripe of Leftism."



Seems I was wrong: your lobotomy did have an effect.

Harun Yahya wasn't bad enough. Now you're getting your cut and paste material from Wiki.

Oy. The mind of a religious whack job - a dark and dangerous place.

 

[Peterf]

So.....what are you saying? The lobotomy didn't take?


I note that that IQ prevented you from denying the connection between Leftism and sterilization, lobotomies, death panels, gulags, terror famines, oppression, genocide, eugenics, ....just some of the simpler methods of communism, socialism, progressivism, Liberalism.....every stripe of Leftism.


Good stuff, huh?


Heck.....sure would have been terrible if you folks and the others mentioned had stuck to that 'ol' time superstition'......and missed out on all of the above.



Moron.

What a shame that you believe, in your confused way, that to combat leftism one must deny evolution. Rather pathetic and saddening. I feel sorry for you PC

The odd thing is that it is the same type of immature personality that embraces either communism or religion. One which longs for an infallible authority. One which finds an obligation to think for oneself frightening and much prefers submission to dogma.

Changing the subject?


What....ignoring this brilliant paragraph:

"I note that that IQ prevented you from denying the connection between Leftism and sterilization, lobotomies, death panels, gulags, terror famines, oppression, genocide, eugenics, ....just some of the simpler methods of communism, socialism, progressivism, Liberalism.....every stripe of Leftism."



Seems I was wrong: your lobotomy did have an effect.

As you well know I share your dislike and distrust for "every stripe of leftism". Religious mania - is treatment available for you? - only gets in the way when one seeks to explain the dreadful harm done by the left. It would be a great pity if people came to believe that conservatives need to be as mad as you are.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What a shame that you believe, in your confused way, that to combat leftism one must deny evolution. Rather pathetic and saddening. I feel sorry for you PC

The odd thing is that it is the same type of immature personality that embraces either communism or religion. One which longs for an infallible authority. One which finds an obligation to think for oneself frightening and much prefers submission to dogma.

Changing the subject?


What....ignoring this brilliant paragraph:

"I note that that IQ prevented you from denying the connection between Leftism and sterilization, lobotomies, death panels, gulags, terror famines, oppression, genocide, eugenics, ....just some of the simpler methods of communism, socialism, progressivism, Liberalism.....every stripe of Leftism."



Seems I was wrong: your lobotomy did have an effect.

As you well know I share your dislike and distrust for "every stripe of leftism". Religious mania - is treatment available for you? - only gets in the way when one seeks to explain the dreadful harm done by the left. It would be a great pity if people came to believe that conservatives need to be as mad as you are.

Perhaps you can clear up any misapprehensions I might have, and explore what you have identified as my 'madness.'





Which is preferable....some belief in 'religious claptrap' or the 62,000 forced sterilizations of Swedes?

Take your time.....


Which is preferable....some belief in 'religious claptrap' or 4500 Swedes lobotomized?

In my 'madness' I come to a pretty quick conclusion....but a smart guy like you might want to mull that over.






And....Which is preferable....some belief in 'religious claptrap' or the 7 million starved to death under Stalin?

or...how about this: religious claptrap or 50 million slaughtered under the communist Mao?






Still thinking?

C'mon now...you said you had a high IQ, didn't you?


One more?

Which is preferable....some belief in 'religious claptrap' or the forced sterilizations of Americans,...60,000 by the socialists via eugenics....A hallmark of the Progressive Era?


Imagine how many human beings could have been saved if more folks had the 'madness' that you claim that I evince.





Even without you answering, I have drawn a conclusion:
Your head is proof of the Casimir effect, in that the force of your opinions seems to arise from the pure vacuum between your ears.
The Casmir effect only becomes significant at the submicrometer scale. Thus, in addition to being vacuous, you're also a pin-head.

 

[Hollie]

Changing the subject?


What....ignoring this brilliant paragraph:

"I note that that IQ prevented you from denying the connection between Leftism and sterilization, lobotomies, death panels, gulags, terror famines, oppression, genocide, eugenics, ....just some of the simpler methods of communism, socialism, progressivism, Liberalism.....every stripe of Leftism."



Seems I was wrong: your lobotomy did have an effect.

As you well know I share your dislike and distrust for "every stripe of leftism". Religious mania - is treatment available for you? - only gets in the way when one seeks to explain the dreadful harm done by the left. It would be a great pity if people came to believe that conservatives need to be as mad as you are.

Perhaps you can clear up any misapprehensions I might have, and explore what you have identified as my 'madness.'





Which is preferable....some belief in 'religious claptrap' or the 62,000 forced sterilizations of Swedes?

Take your time.....


Which is preferable....some belief in 'religious claptrap' or 4500 Swedes lobotomized?

In my 'madness' I come to a pretty quick conclusion....but a smart guy like you might want to mull that over.






And....Which is preferable....some belief in 'religious claptrap' or the 7 million starved to death under Stalin?

or...how about this: religious claptrap or 50 million slaughtered under the communist Mao?






Still thinking?

C'mon now...you said you had a high IQ, didn't you?


One more?

Which is preferable....some belief in 'religious claptrap' or the forced sterilizations of Americans,...60,000 by the socialists via eugenics....A hallmark of the Progressive Era?


Imagine how many human beings could have been saved if more folks had the 'madness' that you claim that I evince.





Even without you answering, I have drawn a conclusion:
Your head is proof of the Casimir effect, in that the force of your opinions seems to arise from the pure vacuum between your ears.
The Casmir effect only becomes significant at the submicrometer scale. Thus, in addition to being vacuous, you're also a pin-head.

Hey, PC. Try doing a head count and let us know how many you can sign-up for another Inquisition..... more Crusades.


Not too many evil scientists being burned at the stake for predicting an eclipse. Oh, how we miss the good old says of Christendom.

 

[Peterf]

Changing the subject?


What....ignoring this brilliant paragraph:

"I note that that IQ prevented you from denying the connection between Leftism and sterilization, lobotomies, death panels, gulags, terror famines, oppression, genocide, eugenics, ....just some of the simpler methods of communism, socialism, progressivism, Liberalism.....every stripe of Leftism."



Seems I was wrong: your lobotomy did have an effect.

As you well know I share your dislike and distrust for "every stripe of leftism". Religious mania - is treatment available for you? - only gets in the way when one seeks to explain the dreadful harm done by the left. It would be a great pity if people came to believe that conservatives need to be as mad as you are.

Perhaps you can clear up any misapprehensions I might have, and explore what you have identified as my 'madness.'





Which is preferable....some belief in 'religious claptrap' or the 62,000 forced sterilizations of Swedes?

Take your time.....


Which is preferable....some belief in 'religious claptrap' or 4500 Swedes lobotomized?

In my 'madness' I come to a pretty quick conclusion....but a smart guy like you might want to mull that over.






And....Which is preferable....some belief in 'religious claptrap' or the 7 million starved to death under Stalin?

or...how about this: religious claptrap or 50 million slaughtered under the communist Mao?






Still thinking?

C'mon now...you said you had a high IQ, didn't you?


One more?

Which is preferable....some belief in 'religious claptrap' or the forced sterilizations of Americans,...60,000 by the socialists via eugenics....A hallmark of the Progressive Era?


Imagine how many human beings could have been saved if more folks had the 'madness' that you claim that I evince.





Even without you answering, I have drawn a conclusion:
Your head is proof of the Casimir effect, in that the force of your opinions seems to arise from the pure vacuum between your ears.
The Casmir effect only becomes significant at the submicrometer scale. Thus, in addition to being vacuous, you're also a pin-head.

I, too, can play this game. And play it better than you.

During the 30 Years War - 1618-48 - vast numbers of Europeans were killed by your fellow religious maniacs.

Which is better? 60,000 sterilisations by Swedes OR the destruction by Swedes in the German states of 2,000 castles, 18,000 villages and 1,500 towns (1/3 of all the towns in what is now Germany).

Protestants other than Swedes also killed millions as, of course, did the Catholics on the other side. These people died in the name of religion. Unlike, for example, those murdered by Mao who killed for purely political reasons.

The 30 Years War saw uncountable atrocities, every one motivated by religious belief. The name of 'Christianity' was blackened for evermore.

 

[PoliticalChic]

As you well know I share your dislike and distrust for "every stripe of leftism". Religious mania - is treatment available for you? - only gets in the way when one seeks to explain the dreadful harm done by the left. It would be a great pity if people came to believe that conservatives need to be as mad as you are.

Perhaps you can clear up any misapprehensions I might have, and explore what you have identified as my 'madness.'





Which is preferable....some belief in 'religious claptrap' or the 62,000 forced sterilizations of Swedes?

Take your time.....


Which is preferable....some belief in 'religious claptrap' or 4500 Swedes lobotomized?

In my 'madness' I come to a pretty quick conclusion....but a smart guy like you might want to mull that over.






And....Which is preferable....some belief in 'religious claptrap' or the 7 million starved to death under Stalin?

or...how about this: religious claptrap or 50 million slaughtered under the communist Mao?






Still thinking?

C'mon now...you said you had a high IQ, didn't you?


One more?

Which is preferable....some belief in 'religious claptrap' or the forced sterilizations of Americans,...60,000 by the socialists via eugenics....A hallmark of the Progressive Era?


Imagine how many human beings could have been saved if more folks had the 'madness' that you claim that I evince.





Even without you answering, I have drawn a conclusion:
Your head is proof of the Casimir effect, in that the force of your opinions seems to arise from the pure vacuum between your ears.
The Casmir effect only becomes significant at the submicrometer scale. Thus, in addition to being vacuous, you're also a pin-head.

I, too, can play this game. And play it better than you.

During the 30 Years War - 1618-48 - vast numbers of Europeans were killed by your fellow religious maniacs.

Which is better? 60,000 sterilisations by Swedes OR the destruction by Swedes in the German states of 2,000 castles, 18,000 villages and 1,500 towns (1/3 of all the towns in what is now Germany).

Protestants other than Swedes also killed millions as, of course, did the Catholics on the other side. These people died in the name of religion. Unlike, for example, those murdered by Mao who killed for purely political reasons.

The 30 Years War saw uncountable atrocities, every one motivated by religious belief. The name of 'Christianity' was blackened for evermore.

Actually, you can't compete....

...the facts are on my side.

.... every genocide of the 20th century....the century of genocide....was carried out by Big Government.


Non-religion is responsible for far, far more horripilation than religion.



First World War (1914–18): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15 million
Russian Civil War (1917–22): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 million
Soviet Union, Stalin’s regime (1924–53): . . . . . . . . . 20 million
Second World War (1937–45): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 55 million
Chinese Civil War (1945–49): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.5 million
People’s Republic of China, Mao Zedong’s
regime (1949–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 40 million
Tibet (1950 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 600,000
Congo Free State (1886–1908): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 million
Mexico (1910–20): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Turkish massacres of Armenians (1915–23): . . . . . 1.5 million
China (1917–28): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 800,000
China, Nationalist era (1928–37): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.1 million
Korean War (1950–53): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.8 million
North Korea (1948 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 million
Rwanda and Burundi (1959–95): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.35 million
Second Indochina War (1960–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.5 million
Ethiopia (1962–92): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Nigeria (1966–70): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Bangladesh (1971): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.25 million
Cambodia, Khmer Rouge (1975–78): . . . . . . . . . . . 1.65 million
Mozambique (1975–92): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Afghanistan (1979–2001): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.8 million
Iran–Iraq War (1980–88): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Sudan (1983 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.9 million
Kinshasa, Congo (1998 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.8 million
Philippines Insurgency (1899–1902): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 220,000
Brazil (1900 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Amazonia (1900–1912): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250,000
Portuguese colonies (1900–1925): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 325,000
French colonies (1900–1940): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
Japanese War (1904–5): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 130,000
German East Africa (1905–7): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 175,000
Libya (1911–31): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 125,000
Balkan Wars (1912–13): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 140,000
Greco–Turkish War (1919–22): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250,000
Spanish Civil War (1936–39): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 365,000
Franco Regime (1939–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 100,000
Abyssinian Conquest (1935–41): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Finnish War (1939–40): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Greek Civil War (1943–49): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 158,000
Yugoslavia, Tito’s regime (1944–80): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
First Indochina War (1945–54): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Colombia (1946–58): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
India (1947): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Romania (1948–89): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Burma/Myanmar (1948 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 130,000
Algeria (1954–62): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 537,000
Sudan (1955–72): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Guatemala (1960–96): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
Indonesia (1965–66): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Uganda, Idi Amin’s regime (1972–79): . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Vietnam, postwar Communist regime
(1975 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 430,000
Angola (1975–2002): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 550,000
East Timor, conquest by Indonesia (1975–99): . . . . . 200,000
Lebanon (1975–90): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Cambodian Civil War (1978–91): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 225,000
Iraq, Saddam Hussein (1979–2003): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Uganda (1979–86): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Kurdistan (1980s, 1990s): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Liberia (1989–97): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Iraq (1990– ): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 350,000
Bosnia and Herzegovina (1992–95): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 175,000
Somalia (1991 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000


Pretty good work by your 'non-religious maniacs,' eh?



In 2007, a number of scientists gathered in a conference entitled “Beyond Belief: Science, Religion, Reason, and Survival” in order to attack religious thought and congratulate one another on their fearlessness in so doing.

The physicist Steven
Weinberg delivered an address. As one of the authors of the
theory of electroweak unification, the work for which he was
awarded a Nobel Prize, he is a figure of great stature. “Religion,” he affirmed, “is an insult to human dignity. With or
without it you would have good people doing good things and
evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things,
that takes religion” .

In speaking thus, Weinberg was warmly applauded, not
one member of his audience asking the question one might
have thought pertinent:
Just who has imposed on the suffering
human race poison gas, barbed wire, high explosives, experiments in eugenics, the formula for Zyklon B, heavy artillery,
pseudo-scientific justifications for mass murder, cluster bombs,
attack submarines, napalm, inter continental ballistic missiles,
military space platforms, and nuclear weapons?

The above exposition from Berlinski, "The Devil's Delusion."



He exposes fools like you who have accepted what is clearly false re: religion vs non-religion.





"I, too, can play this game. And play it better than you."

As you can see, you come off as quite the buffoon.

 

[Sallow]

Wow.

You left out American wars.

Go fig.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Wow.

You left out American wars.

Go fig.

Oh, my....I mention 'buffoon' and look who pops up.

 

[Hollie]

Perhaps you can clear up any misapprehensions I might have, and explore what you have identified as my 'madness.'





Which is preferable....some belief in 'religious claptrap' or the 62,000 forced sterilizations of Swedes?

Take your time.....


Which is preferable....some belief in 'religious claptrap' or 4500 Swedes lobotomized?

In my 'madness' I come to a pretty quick conclusion....but a smart guy like you might want to mull that over.






And....Which is preferable....some belief in 'religious claptrap' or the 7 million starved to death under Stalin?

or...how about this: religious claptrap or 50 million slaughtered under the communist Mao?






Still thinking?

C'mon now...you said you had a high IQ, didn't you?


One more?

Which is preferable....some belief in 'religious claptrap' or the forced sterilizations of Americans,...60,000 by the socialists via eugenics....A hallmark of the Progressive Era?


Imagine how many human beings could have been saved if more folks had the 'madness' that you claim that I evince.





Even without you answering, I have drawn a conclusion:
Your head is proof of the Casimir effect, in that the force of your opinions seems to arise from the pure vacuum between your ears.
The Casmir effect only becomes significant at the submicrometer scale. Thus, in addition to being vacuous, you're also a pin-head.

I, too, can play this game. And play it better than you.

During the 30 Years War - 1618-48 - vast numbers of Europeans were killed by your fellow religious maniacs.

Which is better? 60,000 sterilisations by Swedes OR the destruction by Swedes in the German states of 2,000 castles, 18,000 villages and 1,500 towns (1/3 of all the towns in what is now Germany).

Protestants other than Swedes also killed millions as, of course, did the Catholics on the other side. These people died in the name of religion. Unlike, for example, those murdered by Mao who killed for purely political reasons.

The 30 Years War saw uncountable atrocities, every one motivated by religious belief. The name of 'Christianity' was blackened for evermore.

Actually, you can't compete....

...the facts are on my side.

.... every genocide of the 20th century....the century of genocide....was carried out by Big Government.


Non-religion is responsible for far, far more horripilation than religion.



First World War (1914–18): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15 million
Russian Civil War (1917–22): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 million
Soviet Union, Stalin’s regime (1924–53): . . . . . . . . . 20 million
Second World War (1937–45): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 55 million
Chinese Civil War (1945–49): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.5 million
People’s Republic of China, Mao Zedong’s
regime (1949–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 40 million
Tibet (1950 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 600,000
Congo Free State (1886–1908): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 million
Mexico (1910–20): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Turkish massacres of Armenians (1915–23): . . . . . 1.5 million
China (1917–28): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 800,000
China, Nationalist era (1928–37): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.1 million
Korean War (1950–53): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.8 million
North Korea (1948 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 million
Rwanda and Burundi (1959–95): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.35 million
Second Indochina War (1960–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.5 million
Ethiopia (1962–92): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Nigeria (1966–70): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Bangladesh (1971): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.25 million
Cambodia, Khmer Rouge (1975–78): . . . . . . . . . . . 1.65 million
Mozambique (1975–92): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Afghanistan (1979–2001): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.8 million
Iran–Iraq War (1980–88): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Sudan (1983 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.9 million
Kinshasa, Congo (1998 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.8 million
Philippines Insurgency (1899–1902): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 220,000
Brazil (1900 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Amazonia (1900–1912): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250,000
Portuguese colonies (1900–1925): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 325,000
French colonies (1900–1940): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
Japanese War (1904–5): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 130,000
German East Africa (1905–7): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 175,000
Libya (1911–31): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 125,000
Balkan Wars (1912–13): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 140,000
Greco–Turkish War (1919–22): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250,000
Spanish Civil War (1936–39): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 365,000
Franco Regime (1939–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 100,000
Abyssinian Conquest (1935–41): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Finnish War (1939–40): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Greek Civil War (1943–49): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 158,000
Yugoslavia, Tito’s regime (1944–80): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
First Indochina War (1945–54): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Colombia (1946–58): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
India (1947): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Romania (1948–89): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Burma/Myanmar (1948 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 130,000
Algeria (1954–62): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 537,000
Sudan (1955–72): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Guatemala (1960–96): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
Indonesia (1965–66): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Uganda, Idi Amin’s regime (1972–79): . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Vietnam, postwar Communist regime
(1975 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 430,000
Angola (1975–2002): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 550,000
East Timor, conquest by Indonesia (1975–99): . . . . . 200,000
Lebanon (1975–90): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Cambodian Civil War (1978–91): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 225,000
Iraq, Saddam Hussein (1979–2003): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Uganda (1979–86): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Kurdistan (1980s, 1990s): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Liberia (1989–97): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Iraq (1990– ): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 350,000
Bosnia and Herzegovina (1992–95): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 175,000
Somalia (1991 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000


Pretty good work by your 'non-religious maniacs,' eh?



In 2007, a number of scientists gathered in a conference entitled “Beyond Belief: Science, Religion, Reason, and Survival” in order to attack religious thought and congratulate one another on their fearlessness in so doing.

The physicist Steven
Weinberg delivered an address. As one of the authors of the
theory of electroweak unification, the work for which he was
awarded a Nobel Prize, he is a figure of great stature. “Religion,” he affirmed, “is an insult to human dignity. With or
without it you would have good people doing good things and
evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things,
that takes religion” .

In speaking thus, Weinberg was warmly applauded, not
one member of his audience asking the question one might
have thought pertinent:
Just who has imposed on the suffering
human race poison gas, barbed wire, high explosives, experiments in eugenics, the formula for Zyklon B, heavy artillery,
pseudo-scientific justifications for mass murder, cluster bombs,
attack submarines, napalm, inter continental ballistic missiles,
military space platforms, and nuclear weapons?

The above exposition from Berlinski, "The Devil's Delusion."



He exposes fools like you who have accepted what is clearly false re: religion vs non-religion.





"I, too, can play this game. And play it better than you."

As you can see, you come off as quite the buffoon.

It's so cute how religious zealots seem to find other religious zealots to "quote"

Encyclopedia of American Loons: Search results for berlinski




Berlinski – still pompous, still wrong.

Berlinski ? still pompous, still wrong. ? Good Math, Bad Math

 

[Sallow]

Wow.

You left out American wars.

Go fig.

Oh, my....I mention 'buffoon' and look who pops up.

The irony meter just broke.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Wow.

You left out American wars.

Go fig.

Oh, my....I mention 'buffoon' and look who pops up.

The irony meter just broke.

There is a technique ubiquitous among those of your persuasion....vapid and inarticulate semi-posts.


And it is often not based on an inability to express one's point fully and cogently.


Rather it is based on the hope that you haven't provided material that can be shredded and shown to be deficient.


It is, in reality, a fear of debate.


The fear is well founded.

 

[Steven_R]

In 2007, a number of scientists gathered in a conference entitled “Beyond Belief: Science, Religion, Reason, and Survival” in order to attack religious thought and congratulate one another on their fearlessness in so doing.

The physicist Steven
Weinberg delivered an address. As one of the authors of the
theory of electroweak unification, the work for which he was
awarded a Nobel Prize, he is a figure of great stature. “Religion,” he affirmed, “is an insult to human dignity. With or
without it you would have good people doing good things and
evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things,
that takes religion” .

In speaking thus, Weinberg was warmly applauded, not
one member of his audience asking the question one might
have thought pertinent:
Just who has imposed on the suffering
human race poison gas, barbed wire, high explosives, experiments in eugenics, the formula for Zyklon B, heavy artillery,
pseudo-scientific justifications for mass murder, cluster bombs,
attack submarines, napalm, inter continental ballistic missiles,
military space platforms, and nuclear weapons?

The above exposition from Berlinski, "The Devil's Delusion."

Given the crimes committed in the name of God over the centuries, do you really think the numbers of corpses produced by the faithful would really be smaller had they access to modern technology? The same mindset that produced "Kill them all; God will know his own" would somehow not exist if the Crusaders had access to Zyklon B instead of just swords? The Conquistadors would somehow be less brutal if they had machine guns instead of matchlocks? That the 30 Years War would have been less bloody if both sides had the ability to carpet bomb cities? That Mohammed's conquest of the Middle East would have had fewer civilian casualties if he just had tanks?

 

[PoliticalChic]

In 2007, a number of scientists gathered in a conference entitled “Beyond Belief: Science, Religion, Reason, and Survival” in order to attack religious thought and congratulate one another on their fearlessness in so doing.

The physicist Steven
Weinberg delivered an address. As one of the authors of the
theory of electroweak unification, the work for which he was
awarded a Nobel Prize, he is a figure of great stature. “Religion,” he affirmed, “is an insult to human dignity. With or
without it you would have good people doing good things and
evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things,
that takes religion” .

In speaking thus, Weinberg was warmly applauded, not
one member of his audience asking the question one might
have thought pertinent:
Just who has imposed on the suffering
human race poison gas, barbed wire, high explosives, experiments in eugenics, the formula for Zyklon B, heavy artillery,
pseudo-scientific justifications for mass murder, cluster bombs,
attack submarines, napalm, inter continental ballistic missiles,
military space platforms, and nuclear weapons?

The above exposition from Berlinski, "The Devil's Delusion."

Given the crimes committed in the name of God over the centuries, do you really think the numbers of corpses produced by the faithful would really be smaller had they access to modern technology? The same mindset that produced "Kill them all; God will know his own" would somehow not exist if the Crusaders had access to Zyklon B instead of just swords? The Conquistadors would somehow be less brutal if they had machine guns instead of matchlocks? That the 30 Years War would have been less bloody if both sides had the ability to carpet bomb cities? That Mohammed's conquest of the Middle East would have had fewer civilian casualties if he just had tanks?

'If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas.'



Reality vs. imagination......that's what you're reduced to?

 

[Hollie]

Oh, my....I mention 'buffoon' and look who pops up.

The irony meter just broke.

There is a technique ubiquitous among those of your persuasion....vapid and inarticulate semi-posts.


And it is often not based on an inability to express one's point fully and cogently.


Rather it is based on the hope that you haven't provided material that can be shredded and shown to be deficient.


It is, in reality, a fear of debate.


The fear is well founded.

There is no debating your fraudulent, cut and paste "quotes".

You're not at all equipped to respond to any comments except to cut and paste boilerplate crestionist fraud.