Could Jesus Have Used A GPS

[Sunshine]

You don't get it do you

That's exactly what happened. Nobody had a clue about the earth being round until about 600-700 AD. They continued to torture and kill witches till the late 1600's. It ain't rocket science.....you just have to expand what you're reading to things besides the totally antiquated bible.

If a loving caring god left the only keys to the kingdom...........................

John 14
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

..........with a bunch of totally ignorant primitives he has one helluva sense of humor.

Around 330 BC, Aristotle maintained on the basis of physical theory and observational evidence that the Earth was spherical.[62]
The Earth's circumference was first determined around 240 BC by Eratosthenes. Eratosthenes knew that in Syene, in Egypt, the Sun was directly overhead at the summer solstice, while he estimated that the angle formed by a shadow cast by the Sun at Alexandria was 1/50th of a circle. He estimated the distance from Syene to Alexandria as 5,000 stades, and estimated the Earth's circumference was 250,000 stades.[63] Subsequently, ignorance of the size of a stade caused problems both to the Arabs and to Christopher Columbus.


The Terrestrial Sphere of Crates of Mallus (ca. 150 B.C.).In the 2nd century BC, Crates of Mallus devised a terrestrial sphere which divided the Earth into four continents, separated by great rivers or oceans, with people presumed to be living in each of the four regions.[64] Opposite the oikumene, the inhabited world, were the antipodes, considered unreachable both because of an intervening torrid zone (equator) and the ocean. This took a strong hold on the medieval mind.

Lucretius (1st. c. BC) opposed the concept of a spherical Earth, because he considered that in an infinite universe there was no center towards which heavy bodies would tend, thus he considered the idea of animals walking around topsy-turvy under the Earth to be absurd.[65][66] But by the 1st century AD, Pliny the Elder was in a position to claim that everyone agrees on the spherical shape of Earth,[67] although there continued to be disputes regarding the nature of the antipodes, and how it is possible to keep the ocean in a curved shape. Pliny also considers the possibility of an imperfect sphere, "shaped like a pinecone".[67]
Ptolemy derived his maps from a curved globe and developed the system of latitude, longitude, and climes. His Almagest was written in Greek and only translated into Latin in the 11th century from Arabic translations. But once it was known, it remained the basis of European astronomy throughout the Middle Ages.

In late antiquity such widely read encyclopedists as Macrobius (4th c.) and Martianus Capella (5th c.) discussed the circumference of the sphere of the Earth, its central position in the universe, the difference of the seasons in northern and southern hemispheres, and many other geographical details.[68] In his commentary on Cicero's Dream of Scipio, Macrobius described the Earth as a globe of insignificant size in comparison to the remainder of the cosmos.[68]

Flat Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

LOL....nice try. The church was torturing and killing people during the medieval ages for advocating a round earth:

[/QUOTE]

So? It was known that the earth was round. The OP suggested otherwise.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

If there is a god....which I strongly doubt, why would he leave the only keys to the kingdom with a bunch of goat herders who believed in witchcraft and thought the earth was flat. That's a problem for me.

It would be akin to a young father turning over the only copy of the family records to a two year old child. It doesn't compute and it never will.

What do you mean He left the only keys to the kingdom with a bunch of goat herders who believed in witchcraft and thought the earth was flat?

You don't get it do you

That's exactly what happened. Nobody had a clue about the earth being round until about 600-700 AD. They continued to torture and kill witches till the late 1600's. It ain't rocket science.....you just have to expand what you're reading to things besides the totally antiquated bible.

If a loving caring god left the only keys to the kingdom...........................

John 14
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

..........with a bunch of totally ignorant primitives he has one helluva sense of humor.

I knew you were basing your position on alternate history.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

You don't get it do you

That's exactly what happened. Nobody had a clue about the earth being round until about 600-700 AD. They continued to torture and kill witches till the late 1600's. It ain't rocket science.....you just have to expand what you're reading to things besides the totally antiquated bible.

If a loving caring god left the only keys to the kingdom...........................

John 14
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

..........with a bunch of totally ignorant primitives he has one helluva sense of humor.

Around 330 BC, Aristotle maintained on the basis of physical theory and observational evidence that the Earth was spherical.[62]
The Earth's circumference was first determined around 240 BC by Eratosthenes. Eratosthenes knew that in Syene, in Egypt, the Sun was directly overhead at the summer solstice, while he estimated that the angle formed by a shadow cast by the Sun at Alexandria was 1/50th of a circle. He estimated the distance from Syene to Alexandria as 5,000 stades, and estimated the Earth's circumference was 250,000 stades.[63] Subsequently, ignorance of the size of a stade caused problems both to the Arabs and to Christopher Columbus.


The Terrestrial Sphere of Crates of Mallus (ca. 150 B.C.).In the 2nd century BC, Crates of Mallus devised a terrestrial sphere which divided the Earth into four continents, separated by great rivers or oceans, with people presumed to be living in each of the four regions.[64] Opposite the oikumene, the inhabited world, were the antipodes, considered unreachable both because of an intervening torrid zone (equator) and the ocean. This took a strong hold on the medieval mind.

Lucretius (1st. c. BC) opposed the concept of a spherical Earth, because he considered that in an infinite universe there was no center towards which heavy bodies would tend, thus he considered the idea of animals walking around topsy-turvy under the Earth to be absurd.[65][66] But by the 1st century AD, Pliny the Elder was in a position to claim that everyone agrees on the spherical shape of Earth,[67] although there continued to be disputes regarding the nature of the antipodes, and how it is possible to keep the ocean in a curved shape. Pliny also considers the possibility of an imperfect sphere, "shaped like a pinecone".[67]
Ptolemy derived his maps from a curved globe and developed the system of latitude, longitude, and climes. His Almagest was written in Greek and only translated into Latin in the 11th century from Arabic translations. But once it was known, it remained the basis of European astronomy throughout the Middle Ages.

In late antiquity such widely read encyclopedists as Macrobius (4th c.) and Martianus Capella (5th c.) discussed the circumference of the sphere of the Earth, its central position in the universe, the difference of the seasons in northern and southern hemispheres, and many other geographical details.[68] In his commentary on Cicero's Dream of Scipio, Macrobius described the Earth as a globe of insignificant size in comparison to the remainder of the cosmos.[68]

Flat Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

LOL....nice try. The church was torturing and killing people during the medieval ages for advocating a round earth:

[/QUOTE]

No they were not. In fact, the opposition to Columbus came from the fact that he thought the Earth was smaller than the Greeks had thought, not because anyone thought the Earth was flat. In other words, his math was wrong, and they knew it. You should go back to school and learn real history, not the version they taught you wherever it was you went.

 

[Marie888]

If there is a god....which I strongly doubt, why would he leave the only keys to the kingdom with a bunch of goat herders who believed in witchcraft and thought the earth was flat. That's a problem for me.

It would be akin to a young father turning over the only copy of the family records to a two year old child. It doesn't compute and it never will.

What do you mean He left the only keys to the kingdom with a bunch of goat herders who believed in witchcraft and thought the earth was flat?

You don't get it do you

That's exactly what happened. Nobody had a clue about the earth being round until about 600-700 AD. They continued to torture and kill witches till the late 1600's. It ain't rocket science.....you just have to expand what you're reading to things besides the totally antiquated bible.

If a loving caring god left the only keys to the kingdom...........................

John 14
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

..........with a bunch of totally ignorant primitives he has one helluva sense of humor.[/QUOTE]



"Nobody had a clue about the earth being round until about 600-700 AD".

Well sure... and nobody had a clue approx 2000 years ago that it would be possible to have an instant conversation via the telephone, internet, Skype, etc, etc from one part of the globe to the other. God doesn't need Skype or the internet or a GPS, He always known exactly what is going on everywhere, just as He knows the depths of our hearts.

All man-made items we have are made from items already here; we didn't create the elements we make things with. Where do you suppose all the items we use to create things ourselves come from? Just nothing? Or we are all just an accident; and "poof", we all just happen to be here? Earth itself just happens to be in the most perfect spot in our solar system to be able to sustain life?

As for when or how the God chose to come to earth in the flesh to restore mankind to Himself and/or to reveal Himself to us (referencing you calling people of the past ignorant primitives) why would His timing not be perfect? Are we any less ignorant that people of the past? Besides, who are we to say to the God who created us, "You did that wrong, I know better than You", You should've done it this way, etc, etc" ...when we ourselves are still only learning about the vastness of the universe?

If you think about it, His timing of coming back then and the documentation of the recorded events only further prove His existence and how everything is coming into play. How on earth could someone know back then that one day people would be "running to and fro, and knowledge would increase", if not by God Himself Who knows all things?

As for what "man" believed regarding if the earth was flat or not: does it matter? There are countless things we still do not know and are learning.

God made the earth, so of course He's always known the shape of the earth. Just because at one time mankind didn't know the shape doesn't negate the truth or not. We still only partly know things of our lives and the universe. Whereas, God, (whom some people are jealous of or want to think they know better than Him) knows everything.

So nope, He didn't use a GPS but why would He need to?

Isaiah 40:22
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

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[whitehall]

Why don't you try the same insult scenario and substitute mohammed?

 

[Cammmpbell]

What do you mean He left the only keys to the kingdom with a bunch of goat herders who believed in witchcraft and thought the earth was flat?

You don't get it do you

That's exactly what happened. Nobody had a clue about the earth being round until about 600-700 AD. They continued to torture and kill witches till the late 1600's. It ain't rocket science.....you just have to expand what you're reading to things besides the totally antiquated bible.

If a loving caring god left the only keys to the kingdom...........................

John 14
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

..........with a bunch of totally ignorant primitives he has one helluva sense of humor.

"Nobody had a clue about the earth being round until about 600-700 AD".

Well sure... and nobody had a clue approx 2000 years ago that it would be possible to have an instant conversation via the telephone, internet, Skype, etc, etc from one part of the globe to the other. God doesn't need Skype or the internet or a GPS, He always known exactly what is going on everywhere, just as He knows the depths of our hearts.

All man-made items we have are made from items already here; we didn't create the elements we make things with. Where do you suppose all the items we use to create things ourselves come from? Just nothing? Or we are all just an accident; and "poof", we all just happen to be here? Earth itself just happens to be in the most perfect spot in our solar system to be able to sustain life?

As for when or how the God chose to come to earth in the flesh to restore mankind to Himself and/or to reveal Himself to us (referencing you calling people of the past ignorant primitives) why would His timing not be perfect? Are we any less ignorant that people of the past? Besides, who are we to say to the God who created us, "You did that wrong, I know better than You", You should've done it this way, etc, etc" ...when we ourselves are still only learning about the vastness of the universe?

If you think about it, His timing of coming back then and the documentation of the recorded events only further prove His existence and how everything is coming into play. How on earth could someone know back then that one day people would be "running to and fro, and knowledge would increase", if not by God Himself Who knows all things?

As for what "man" believed regarding if the earth was flat or not: does it matter? There are countless things we still do not know and are learning.

God made the earth, so of course He's always known the shape of the earth. Just because at one time mankind didn't know the shape doesn't negate the truth or not. We still only partly know things of our lives and the universe. Whereas, God, (whom some people are jealous of or want to think they know better than Him) knows everything.

So nope, He didn't use a GPS but why would He need to?

Isaiah 40:22
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

.[/QUOTE]

The only way to prove the bible is by referencing the bible...superstitious nonsense from the stone age. The whole foolish mess only proves one thing, "There's A Sucker Born Every Minute!"

 

[The Irish Ram]

You don't get it do you

That's exactly what happened. Nobody had a clue about the earth being round until about 600-700 AD. They continued to torture and kill witches till the late 1600's. It ain't rocket science.....you just have to expand what you're reading to things besides the totally antiquated bible.

If a loving caring god left the only keys to the kingdom...........................

John 14
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

..........with a bunch of totally ignorant primitives he has one helluva sense of humor.

"Nobody had a clue about the earth being round until about 600-700 AD".

Well sure... and nobody had a clue approx 2000 years ago that it would be possible to have an instant conversation via the telephone, internet, Skype, etc, etc from one part of the globe to the other. God doesn't need Skype or the internet or a GPS, He always known exactly what is going on everywhere, just as He knows the depths of our hearts.

All man-made items we have are made from items already here; we didn't create the elements we make things with. Where do you suppose all the items we use to create things ourselves come from? Just nothing? Or we are all just an accident; and "poof", we all just happen to be here? Earth itself just happens to be in the most perfect spot in our solar system to be able to sustain life?

As for when or how the God chose to come to earth in the flesh to restore mankind to Himself and/or to reveal Himself to us (referencing you calling people of the past ignorant primitives) why would His timing not be perfect? Are we any less ignorant that people of the past? Besides, who are we to say to the God who created us, "You did that wrong, I know better than You", You should've done it this way, etc, etc" ...when we ourselves are still only learning about the vastness of the universe?

If you think about it, His timing of coming back then and the documentation of the recorded events only further prove His existence and how everything is coming into play. How on earth could someone know back then that one day people would be "running to and fro, and knowledge would increase", if not by God Himself Who knows all things?

As for what "man" believed regarding if the earth was flat or not: does it matter? There are countless things we still do not know and are learning.

God made the earth, so of course He's always known the shape of the earth. Just because at one time mankind didn't know the shape doesn't negate the truth or not. We still only partly know things of our lives and the universe. Whereas, God, (whom some people are jealous of or want to think they know better than Him) knows everything.

So nope, He didn't use a GPS but why would He need to?

Isaiah 40:22
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

.

The only way to prove the bible is by referencing the bible...superstitious nonsense from the stone age. The whole foolish mess only proves one thing, "There's A Sucker Born Every Minute!"[/QUOTE]

Nonsense. Archeology is doing a fine job, proving the Bible. Prophesy is showing up in our daily newspapers.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

[The only way to prove the bible is by referencing the bible...superstitious nonsense from the stone age. The whole foolish mess only proves one thing, "There's A Sucker Born Every Minute!"

If that were true you would have a point. Many of the historical references in the Bible have been proven through archaeological finds. I find it amazing that a person so ignorant of history, science, and archaeology presumes to pass judgement on anyone for what they believe.

 

[daveman]

Didn't Need One!

He never traveled more than 60-80 miles from his birthplace and that was either walking or on board a jackass. Hard to say about the middle east 2000 years ago but there are a lot of inbreds in similar scenarios. I wonder if he could pick a banjo.

Yes, isn't it funny how our documented historical timeline of mankind shows the growing populous around the globe and the increase of technology and how it effects our lives?

Do you think that God doesn't know all things, just because He didn't use a man-made GPS at that time? Funny that.

He told us in His Word what will happen as time passed....and of course it still and always will hold true:

Daniel 12:4 KJV - But thou O Daniel shut up the words and - Bible Gateway

Daniel 12:4
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Daniel 12:4 sound familiar?


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If there is a god....which I strongly doubt, why would he leave the only keys to the kingdom with a bunch of goat herders who believed in witchcraft and thought the earth was flat. That's a problem for me.

It would be akin to a young father turning over the only copy of the family records to a two year old child. It doesn't compute and it never will.

Satan thanks you for your mindless support, but you will lose in the end.

 

[Warrior102]

Didn't Need One!

He never traveled more than 60-80 miles from his birthplace and that was either walking or on board a jackass. Hard to say about the middle east 2000 years ago but there are a lot of inbreds in similar scenarios. I wonder if he could pick a banjo.

Speaking of inbreds, are you off Food Stamps yet?

 

[Missourian]

Didn't Need One!

He never traveled more than 60-80 miles from his birthplace and that was either walking or on board a jackass. Hard to say about the middle east 2000 years ago but there are a lot of inbreds in similar scenarios. I wonder if he could pick a banjo.

Yes, isn't it funny how our documented historical timeline of mankind shows the growing populous around the globe and the increase of technology and how it effects our lives?

Do you think that God doesn't know all things, just because He didn't use a man-made GPS at that time? Funny that.

He told us in His Word what will happen as time passed....and of course it still and always will hold true:

Daniel 12:4 KJV - But thou O Daniel shut up the words and - Bible Gateway

Daniel 12:4
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Daniel 12:4 sound familiar?


.

If there is a god....which I strongly doubt, why would he leave the only keys to the kingdom with a bunch of goat herders who believed in witchcraft and thought the earth was flat. That's a problem for me.

It would be akin to a young father turning over the only copy of the family records to a two year old child. It doesn't compute and it never will.

And yet, 2000 years later, there have been FOUR BILLION copies of the Bible printed...and it all started with those goat herders.

It's a miracle!

 

[Warrior102]

Yes, isn't it funny how our documented historical timeline of mankind shows the growing populous around the globe and the increase of technology and how it effects our lives?

Do you think that God doesn't know all things, just because He didn't use a man-made GPS at that time? Funny that.

He told us in His Word what will happen as time passed....and of course it still and always will hold true:

Daniel 12:4 sound familiar?


.

If there is a god....which I strongly doubt, why would he leave the only keys to the kingdom with a bunch of goat herders who believed in witchcraft and thought the earth was flat. That's a problem for me.

It would be akin to a young father turning over the only copy of the family records to a two year old child. It doesn't compute and it never will.

And yet, 2000 years later, there have been FOUR BILLION copied of the Bible printed...and it all started with those goat herders...it's a miracle!

That only three guys came to visit in the middle of no where!!!! Gee, word travelled fast back then. Nextel?

 

[Sunshine]

The magi were not "goatherds." They were wealthy, and they were the educated scientists of that day.

The simple fact that the Bible was written indicates it was not written by illiterates DUH!

 

[Sunshine]

If there is a god....which I strongly doubt, why would he leave the only keys to the kingdom with a bunch of goat herders who believed in witchcraft and thought the earth was flat. That's a problem for me.

It would be akin to a young father turning over the only copy of the family records to a two year old child. It doesn't compute and it never will.

And yet, 2000 years later, there have been FOUR BILLION copied of the Bible printed...and it all started with those goat herders...it's a miracle!

That only three guys came to visit in the middle of no where!!!! Gee, word travelled fast back then. Nextel?

We don't know how many came or how many may have brought the same gifts. We only know there were three gifts. That has led to the presumption, which could be incorrect, that there were only three who came.

Well, Jesus and I have one thing in common. Neither of us had a GPS. I refuse to get one. When my daughter took me to the doctor last summer her Garman gave the wrong turn twice. If I hadn't known the way we still wouldn't have been there.

 

[ABikerSailor]

If there is a god....which I strongly doubt, why would he leave the only keys to the kingdom with a bunch of goat herders who believed in witchcraft and thought the earth was flat. That's a problem for me.

It would be akin to a young father turning over the only copy of the family records to a two year old child. It doesn't compute and it never will.

What do you mean He left the only keys to the kingdom with a bunch of goat herders who believed in witchcraft and thought the earth was flat?

You don't get it do you

That's exactly what happened. Nobody had a clue about the earth being round until about 600-700 AD. They continued to torture and kill witches till the late 1600's. It ain't rocket science.....you just have to expand what you're reading to things besides the totally antiquated bible.

If a loving caring god left the only keys to the kingdom...........................

John 14
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

..........with a bunch of totally ignorant primitives he has one helluva sense of humor.[/QUOTE]

You really don't research your "facts" much do you?

The concept of a spherical Earth dates back to ancient Greek philosophy from around the 6th century BC,[1] but remained a matter of philosophical speculation until the 3rd century BC when Hellenistic astronomy established the spherical shape of the earth as a physical given. The Hellenistic paradigm was gradually adopted throughout the Old World during Late Antiquity and the Middle Ages.[2][3][4][5] A practical demonstration of Earth's sphericity was achieved by Ferdinand Magellan and Juan Sebastian Elcano's expedition's circumnavigation (1519−1521).[6]

The concept of a spherical Earth displaced earlier beliefs in a flat Earth: In early Mesopotamian mythology, the world was portrayed as a flat disk floating in the ocean and surrounded by a spherical sky,[7] and this forms the premise for early world maps like those of Anaximander and Hecataeus of Miletus. Other speculations on the shape of Earth include a seven-layered ziggurat or cosmic mountain, alluded to in the Avesta and ancient Persian writings (see seven climes), or a wheel, bowl, or four-cornered plane alluded to in the Rigveda.[8]

The realization that the figure of the Earth is more accurately described as an ellipsoid dates to the 18th century (Maupertius). In the early 19th century, the flattening of the earth ellipsoid was determined to be of the order of 1/300 (Delambre, Everest). The modern value as determined by the US DoD World Geodetic System since the 1960s is close to 1/298.25.[9]

Spherical Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I believe your guesstimate as to when the earth was known to be round is only off by around 1,200 years.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Didn't Need One!

He never traveled more than 60-80 miles from his birthplace and that was either walking or on board a jackass. Hard to say about the middle east 2000 years ago but there are a lot of inbreds in similar scenarios. I wonder if he could pick a banjo.

You are inbred. You really need to stop. Your stupidity gauge is broken.

 

[Cammmpbell]

Yes, isn't it funny how our documented historical timeline of mankind shows the growing populous around the globe and the increase of technology and how it effects our lives?

Do you think that God doesn't know all things, just because He didn't use a man-made GPS at that time? Funny that.

He told us in His Word what will happen as time passed....and of course it still and always will hold true:


Daniel 12:4 sound familiar?


.

If there is a god....which I strongly doubt, why would he leave the only keys to the kingdom with a bunch of goat herders who believed in witchcraft and thought the earth was flat. That's a problem for me.

It would be akin to a young father turning over the only copy of the family records to a two year old child. It doesn't compute and it never will.

Satan thanks you for your mindless support, but you will lose in the end.

The Christian threat...."You'll Die And Go To Hell!"

Bullshit and Horse cock

 

[Sunshine]

If there is a god....which I strongly doubt, why would he leave the only keys to the kingdom with a bunch of goat herders who believed in witchcraft and thought the earth was flat. That's a problem for me.

It would be akin to a young father turning over the only copy of the family records to a two year old child. It doesn't compute and it never will.

Satan thanks you for your mindless support, but you will lose in the end.

The Christian threat...."You'll Die And Go To Hell!"

Bullshit and Horse cock

Please. Spare us your sexual fantasies!~

 

[xotoxi]

Could Jesus have used a GPS.

NO. There were no satellites at the time.

 

[Avatar4321]

Didn't Need One!

He never traveled more than 60-80 miles from his birthplace and that was either walking or on board a jackass. Hard to say about the middle east 2000 years ago but there are a lot of inbreds in similar scenarios. I wonder if he could pick a banjo.

And what evidence do you have of that? The Gospels cover, for the most part, 3 years of His mortal ministry. And even that is not detailed every second of every day.

The scriptures say:

25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen. (John 21:25)

So, prove it.