Common Good versus Liberty

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    Common Good and Liberty are philosophical opposites. Liberty works in favor of Common Good, while Common Good abolishes Liberty.

    Examples of Common Good abound. Most notably, Common Good protects and defends every perversion, every violent act committed by the most depraved human beings.

    Common Good forces Liberty to work for strangers. The XVI Amendment provided the only tool Common Good needed to gain the advantage over Liberty. Let me make my case by paraphrasing an old adage:


    First we abhor; then we tolerate, then we embrace, then we elect, then we legislate.​

    Common Good abhors the very idea of a free people acting in their own best interests.

    Common Good forces Liberty to embrace every criminal degenerate.

    Common Good tolerated Liberty until it elected the kind of people who willing legislated behavior on behalf of the Common Good.

    Socialized medicine forcing Liberty to labor for strangers is the most oppressive legislative application of Common Good. Regardless of who is writing the legislation you have only to brush aside the reasons given for socialized medicine’s necessity to understand the death struggle Common Good and Liberty are engaged in. The Common Good is winning.


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    The Common Good is winning because Obamacare will never be repealed for one reason. Common Good will never surrender to Liberty.

    It serves no purpose to let Common Good write the rules. Most importantly, the battle between Common Good and Liberty should never be confused with organized religion’s eternal battle between Good and Evil. Liberty cannot win until the philosophical battle is fought on a political battlefield.

    NOTE: General Welfare is used by the Socialist priesthood to justify legislating Common Good:


    Hoyer Says Constitution’s ‘General Welfare’ Clause Empowers Congress to Order Americans to Buy Health Insurance
    October 21, 2009
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    Finally, America’s Founders legislated Liberty in their Constitution making every American free for a brief time:

    If you have no authority to legislate my freedoms, then I'm truly free, at least from you. William A. Dembski

    Common Good legislates behavior and nobody is free.
     
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    Liberty and the common good never contradict each other.
     
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    Say what?
     
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    To Onyx: Only in this sense:


     
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    of course they do

    when some fucktard politician starts telling you what to do "for your own good" and then penalizes you if you don't then you are by definition less free
     
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    I agree. An aspect of liberty is freedom of association. Common good prohibits freedom of association.
     
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    I'll play. Some thoughts.

    My liberty stops at your property line, front door or wallet. Our common good allows us both to use the sidewalk out front. But someone has to pay for it, hence taxes that do intrude upon our personal property.

    Here's one problem, imo - we've allowed ourselves to become convinced that social justice is in the interest of the common good...and that it is the duty of the more 'fortunate' to foot the bill. Social justice for one is always a social injustice to the one who must forfeit the fruits of their labor.

    Common good in the broadest sense means infrastructure, parks, safe food and water, defense, laws, equal justice - the focus has become too narrow, and seeks out individuals to provide for, and individuals to do the providing....as well as legislating personal behavior and choices...in some cases money is the motivation, in others it's ideology.

    I think there will always be this struggle - Liberty of the common man is not profitable to those desiring power. Power is usurping the liberty of the common man under the guise of the Common Good.

    a note re socialized medicine - we already have single payer, government run healthcare - it's called the VA - and it appears to have serious bureaucracy problems.
     
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    To SeaGal: You do not often respond to my threads. Whenever you do it is always well-said. I especially enjoyed this phrasing:
     
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    Thank you, Flanders. This is such a big board I often get lost. :)
     
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    To SeaGal: Allow me to elaborate on the horrors of single-payer:


    A few years back, I had an eye-opening conversation with a British woman in a hospital waiting room. This woman flew to the U.S. from England at personal expense to get a mammogram. Her mother and sister had breast cancer, and now she'd found a lump. In Britain, a screening ultrasound didn't show cancer, so there was no justification for the more expensive mammogram. They told her they'd follow up with another ultrasound in a few weeks.

    This lady knew that with her family history, she needed a mammogram to confirm the diagnosis, but with government health care, there is no second opinion, no appealing your case, no working outside the system – just one authority: the government, aka single-payer.

    So this woman flew to America to seek the same medical options Americans have any day of the week, or at least had. Some say we still have the best health care, but the fact is, our health care is circling the drain – doctors leaving, insurance companies pulling out, skyrocketing premiums, and impossible deductibles.

    In short, Obamacare's imploding, but then, that was the goal, wasn't it? To leave people without coverage, to make them desperate for a solution so they'd demand action from their government? Then the government would ride to the rescue with single-payer,

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    Make Our Health Care Great Again
    By Peggy Ryan

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