Common Good versus Liberty

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    I think sometimes you have to take a broader look at what is the Common Good and the Liberty you gain in the long run from having that sidewalk, street, bridges, libraries, etc. Yeah, you gave up some tax dollars (Liberty to spend it on something else) BUT maybe you gained Liberty in another sense by virtue of a better infrastructure that allows you to start or expand a business or just travel from one place to another faster and safer.

    Disagree a little bit on the more fortunate having the duty to foot the bill for social justice. Actually it is the duty of all of us to foot that bill one way or another, from income tax to property tax to sales tax, who among us doesn't pay something at some point? And it costs nothing to vote, do we not all of us have a duty to vote for our reps are going to be?

    It is I think true that Power many times translates into the usurping of our liberties and not always in the best interests of the Common Good. It is therefore incumbent on all of us to be on guard against that; human nature being what it is, we're not going to be able to be free of the corruption and misuse of Power but IMHO we have to be on guard against that and be as judicious as possible about what the tradeoffs are when trying to measure the Common Good gained vs the Liberties lost. And not just today but also the future ramifications.
     
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    It all depends on what you consider to be good to begin with.
     
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    Seriously, who decides what the common good is. What a bunch of horse shit!
     
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    Unfortunately, in the U.S. what is "good" is decided by those who wish to destroy us. And by corporations that are psychotic and sociopathic ehtities.
     
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    It depends on what you mean by common good. Common good and virtue are not mutually exclusive and liberty and freedom cannot be maintained without virtue. So common good is a two edged sword. Like I said, it all depends on what you mean as common good. As you described it, it would be bad, but a people who had no charity would be equally bad probably even worse. The question comes down to execution. Subsidiarity ennobles the spirit of men, socialism destroys the spirit of men. So I don't disagree on the need to do good, I disagree on the how to do good.
     
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    The best way to promote the common good is to place individual liberty at the pinnacle of all governance
     
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    Is a mammogram covered by insurance?
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    She should of saved her money and paid for a mammogram, or had a good breast exam. Ultrasounds are much better than ultrasounds. why did she have ultrasound, because mammograms have been known to cause cancer due to squishing the boobs to death.

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    I would say that in a 'free' society, the common good is protected by laws not government programs, mandates, etc. That being said, even laws can overreach and impact one's freedom.
     
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    Which is why we have a judicial branch of gov't that is supposed to identify such overreaches. IMHO it is unfortunate that over the last century and then some overreach has too often been allowed over our freedoms. I.E. eminent domain, which I think has allowed the trampling of our property rights in the name of the almighty dollar.
     
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    Unfortunately, even our judicial branch has been over reaching of late. Proof of that lies with such legal entities as the 9th circuit that seems to always hand down left leaning judgements. Eminent domain requires paying fair market value to affected property owners whose improvements are incompatible with public development.
     

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