CDZ Collusion question

[miketx]

Seriously, with the Russian collusion "investigation" ongoing, so to speak, and with what we have seen in general of the swamp in Washington, if any collusion existed, wouldn't some democrat have already leaked the path to its proof?

 

[william the wie]

Of course.

 

[Picaro]

Seriously, with the Russian collusion "investigation" ongoing, so to speak, and with what we have seen in general of the swamp in Washington, if any collusion existed, wouldn't some democrat have already leaked the path to its proof?

Well, their Democrats refuse to release their servers' drives, and have already destroyed a lot of evidence of 'Russian collusion', theirs, and this pony show by their buddies Mueller & Company is merely a deflection away from themselves and their Putin Love Fest. Nobody is buying it, not even Democrats, but peddling it is a test of the media's ability to sell utter bullshit no matter what, and they're desperate to suck up, as are their fellow GOP'ers at the RNC.

A 'rogue' with populist appeal like Trump can't be allowed to succeed and ruin their nice comfy rulership over the looting of the American economy and building up another hegemon that is more perfectly 'in tune' with the needs of the leaders and owners of big international companies We now have the. DNC trying to sell itself as the 'peoples' Party' while it also claims to 'hate populism', and the cognitive dissonance is hilariously stupid and deranged lunacy, given its core demographics are mostly sexual deviants, racist sociopaths, and violent traitors.


That new BFF of corporate pirates is of course Red China, and the end game is killing off America, especially that blue collar white demographic that causes so many problems for the elites both here and in Europe. Go ahead and try to find an issue of Foreign Affairs that makes no gushing school girlish worship of Red China or the subsidized American trade policies that built it up in at least one article in the last 4 decades; many issues are all articles slobbering over the vermin.

 

[TNHarley]

Seriously, with the Russian collusion "investigation" ongoing, so to speak, and with what we have seen in general of the swamp in Washington, if any collusion existed, wouldn't some democrat have already leaked the path to its proof?

Fair point!

 

[2aguy]

Seriously, with the Russian collusion "investigation" ongoing, so to speak, and with what we have seen in general of the swamp in Washington, if any collusion existed, wouldn't some democrat have already leaked the path to its proof?

They can't, because then they would be arrested for actual espionage against the U.S., since the democrats are the ones who have been working with putin...just check the accounting at the clinton foundation...

 

[Toronado3800]

This is wandering into team worship/conspiracy theory land.

My guess is we're gonna find some Trump boys got all excited and met with russian mobster types but they never wrote a check to any KGB employees. Trump says plenty of ridiculous things so we won't be able to prove he was signaling Russians or anything like that.

We'll also "find out" Donald paid off some porn stars he grabbed or slept with but is that really more surprising than if he did not? Look at his trophy wife collection. Bill Clinton would be proud (gotta be bi partisan because the only reason this matters is because of all the flack Bill took).

 

[Crepitus]

Seriously, with the Russian collusion "investigation" ongoing, so to speak, and with what we have seen in general of the swamp in Washington, if any collusion existed, wouldn't some democrat have already leaked the path to its proof?

First, the word you are looking for is "conspiracy".

Second, why do you assume Mueller leaks just because your team can't keep a secret for 5 minutes in an empty room?

Third this doesn't belong in the clean debate room, there is no debate. Only and accusation.

 

[miketx]

I stated my words correctly and there has been some discussion of this. I think the op raises a good question. There doesn't appear to be anything to the Russia "investigation" and many appear to be in denial about the quantity of leakers in DC. Who was accused and what were they accused of?

 

[MarathonMike]

It's a meddling investigation. No it's interference. No it's collusion. No it's a Michael Cohen investigation. No it's a porn star investigation. No wait it's......

 

[Toronado3800]

It's a meddling investigation. No it's interference. No it's collusion. No it's a Michael Cohen investigation. No it's a porn star investigation. No wait it's......

Exactly. Ita a lot of stuff focusing on a man who is good at riding the edge of the law and decency.

They probably aren't gonna send him to jail.

This probably somehow isn't gonna end his marriage.

Who am I talking about? Bill Clinton?

Nope, Donald Trump.

Guess those of you all who bashed Clinton for 20 years but are defending Trump now are gonna just sign the "I'm a hypocrite" document with your past posts. Or maybe come clean and admit you support whatever your team does? Or accept the check and keep on posting?

 

[miketx]

It's a meddling investigation. No it's interference. No it's collusion. No it's a Michael Cohen investigation. No it's a porn star investigation. No wait it's......

Exactly. Ita a lot of stuff focusing on a man who is good at riding the edge of the law and decency.

They probably aren't gonna send him to jail.

This probably somehow isn't gonna end his marriage.

Who am I talking about? Bill Clinton?

Nope, Donald Trump.

Guess those of you all who bashed Clinton for 20 years but are defending Trump now are gonna just sign the "I'm a hypocrite" document with your past posts. Or maybe come clean and admit you support whatever your team does? Or accept the check and keep on posting?

So no input on the OP?

 

[Toronado3800]

It's a meddling investigation. No it's interference. No it's collusion. No it's a Michael Cohen investigation. No it's a porn star investigation. No wait it's......

Exactly. Ita a lot of stuff focusing on a man who is good at riding the edge of the law and decency.

They probably aren't gonna send him to jail.

This probably somehow isn't gonna end his marriage.

Who am I talking about? Bill Clinton?

Nope, Donald Trump.

Guess those of you all who bashed Clinton for 20 years but are defending Trump now are gonna just sign the "I'm a hypocrite" document with your past posts. Or maybe come clean and admit you support whatever your team does? Or accept the check and keep on posting?

So no input on the OP?

Oh, I already gave that back at #6:
"This is wandering into team worship/conspiracy theory land.

My guess is we're gonna find some Trump boys got all excited and met with russian mobster types but they never wrote a check to any KGB employees. Trump says plenty of ridiculous things so we won't be able to prove he was signaling Russians or anything like that.

We'll also "find out" Donald paid off some porn stars he grabbed or slept with but is that really more surprising than if he did not? Look at his trophy wife collection. Bill Clinton would be proud (gotta be bi partisan because the only reason this matters is because of all the flack Bill took)."

Its pretty similar to what I responded with.

These investigators are gonna dig around a bit. Heck, they might even catch one of the boys actually breaking a law few ppl care about. Then just like last time the ACLU will come in and get the crook off on some technicality Oliver North - Wikipedia.

My prediction is AT WORST for Donald some tapes about him paying off porn stars will surface and we'll find out he paid off half the ones he's slept with but half the ones he's paid off he didn't sleep with making him look vulnerable and foolish. We'll probably also see some shady dealings but nothing illegal. The folks who dislike him will bring them up for decades every time someone brings up Hillary's shady dealings and the rest of us will be able to tell who the party cheerleaders are.

 

[Marion Morrison]

This is wandering into team worship/conspiracy theory land.

My guess is we're gonna find some Trump boys got all excited and met with russian mobster types but they never wrote a check to any KGB employees. Trump says plenty of ridiculous things so we won't be able to prove he was signaling Russians or anything like that.

We'll also "find out" Donald paid off some porn stars he grabbed or slept with but is that really more surprising than if he did not? Look at his trophy wife collection. Bill Clinton would be proud (gotta be bi partisan because the only reason this matters is because of all the flack Bill took).

Off-topic, but all that crap (Whitewater investigation) was unnecessary and a big waste of taxpayer dollars.

 

[strollingbones]

it amazes me after the summit where he sells out the doj....anyone can not see he is in the pocket of the russians for one reason or another...

 

[miketx]

It's a meddling investigation. No it's interference. No it's collusion. No it's a Michael Cohen investigation. No it's a porn star investigation. No wait it's......

Exactly. Ita a lot of stuff focusing on a man who is good at riding the edge of the law and decency.

They probably aren't gonna send him to jail.

This probably somehow isn't gonna end his marriage.

Who am I talking about? Bill Clinton?

Nope, Donald Trump.

Guess those of you all who bashed Clinton for 20 years but are defending Trump now are gonna just sign the "I'm a hypocrite" document with your past posts. Or maybe come clean and admit you support whatever your team does? Or accept the check and keep on posting?

So no input on the OP?

Oh, I already gave that back at #6:
"This is wandering into team worship/conspiracy theory land.

My guess is we're gonna find some Trump boys got all excited and met with russian mobster types but they never wrote a check to any KGB employees. Trump says plenty of ridiculous things so we won't be able to prove he was signaling Russians or anything like that.

We'll also "find out" Donald paid off some porn stars he grabbed or slept with but is that really more surprising than if he did not? Look at his trophy wife collection. Bill Clinton would be proud (gotta be bi partisan because the only reason this matters is because of all the flack Bill took)."

Its pretty similar to what I responded with.

These investigators are gonna dig around a bit. Heck, they might even catch one of the boys actually breaking a law few ppl care about. Then just like last time the ACLU will come in and get the crook off on some technicality Oliver North - Wikipedia.

My prediction is AT WORST for Donald some tapes about him paying off porn stars will surface and we'll find out he paid off half the ones he's slept with but half the ones he's paid off he didn't sleep with making him look vulnerable and foolish. We'll probably also see some shady dealings but nothing illegal. The folks who dislike him will bring them up for decades every time someone brings up Hillary's shady dealings and the rest of us will be able to tell who the party cheerleaders are.

And here I thought liberals were all the rage about what people did behind there bedroom doors was no ones business? I still say, besides all the drift, that if there was anything to this bogus witch hunt some dem would have leaked it all out.

 

[jwoodie]

First, the word you are looking for is "conspiracy".

Second, why do you assume Mueller leaks just because your team can't keep a secret for 5 minutes in an empty room?

Third this doesn't belong in the clean debate room, there is no debate. Only and accusation.

1. What conspiracy? Who is accused of doing what?

2. Irrelevant deflection.

3. Excellent analysis of the Mueller investigation.

 

[Crepitus]

First, the word you are looking for is "conspiracy".

Second, why do you assume Mueller leaks just because your team can't keep a secret for 5 minutes in an empty room?

Third this doesn't belong in the clean debate room, there is no debate. Only and accusation.

1. What conspiracy? Who is accused of doing what?

2. Irrelevant deflection.

3. Excellent analysis of the Mueller investigation.

1. tRump and co. are accused of conspiring with the Russian government to affect the outcome of the 2016 presidential election. Where have you been?

2. Nothing irrelevant about it. Why do you assume Mueller and his crew leak in the face of convincing evidence that they don't? Is it just you projection your sides faults onto him?

3. This is the "irrelevant deflection". I ask again, why is this accusation in the clean debate zone?

 

[oldsoul]

Seriously, with the Russian collusion "investigation" ongoing, so to speak, and with what we have seen in general of the swamp in Washington, if any collusion existed, wouldn't some democrat have already leaked the path to its proof?

Depends. If it proves other people are involved....Like EVERY person in congress..... Not saying it's true, or even plausible. If any "proof" would indicate people of great power (real or imagined) are involved, you can rest assured that no one who values their position (life?) would leak anything. If the stakes are high enough, it would take the morality of a saint (or a true patriot, in the vein of the signers of the Declaration of Independence) to risk being found out.

I have thought of this as well. In thinking it through, I realised that this would need to be a "conspiracy" that runs so deep, and has lasted so long (in various forms) that people involved would be willing to kill (literally, or at least destroy a person's character to the point they are unhireable as a ditch digger), should they ever be even close to being exposed. Therefore, I concluded, such evidence is really quite unlikely to be discovered, or even exist.

Think about it, nothing has come up yet, so, if "collusion" with Russia happened there would need to have been a MASSIVE cover-up, involving many people at high levels, as well as low levels (think janitors). Such a massive cover-up would, in all likelihood, involve people from the White House, and BOTH chambers of Congress. It would likely also include all, or nearly all, of the major "power brokers" of Washington. Now, it looks like the kind of thing that can take down a NATION, not just a President. Therefore, people would stop at NOTHING to continue the cover-up, even if it was just for the sake of preserving the nation (or whatever lie they told themselves).

So, no, I don't think there is anything like that happening here. At least I hope and pray it isn't...

 

[oldsoul]

I ask again, why is this accusation in the clean debate zone?

Could it be that it's here to be discussed civilly? Something that is difficult even here, and nearly impossible elsewhere on this board. Just a thought.

Just because you have nothing to debate/discuss about it, does not mean that there is nothing to be debated/discussed. I think the OP layed out a line of discussion quite clearly. If you missed it see post #1.

Your continued infatuation with why it's here instead of the elsewhere, suggests, to me, that you see no way of discussing it in a civil manner. If that is the case, why are YOU here? Seems to me it would be a colossal waste of your time.

 

[Crepitus]

I ask again, why is this accusation in the clean debate zone?

Could it be that it's here to be discussed civilly? Something that is difficult even here, and nearly impossible elsewhere on this board. Just a thought.

Just because you have nothing to debate/discuss about it, does not mean that there is nothing to be debated/discussed. I think the OP layed out a line of discussion quite clearly. If you missed it see post #1.

Your continued infatuation with why it's here instead of the elsewhere, suggests, to me, that you see no way of discussing it in a civil manner. If that is the case, why are YOU here? Seems to me it would be a colossal waste of your time.

Then he probably should have started with something other than an unsubstantiated accusation.