Collective bargaining "rights"??

[taichiliberal]

once it passed there will be no contradiction, the new law supplants the old... thats how laws work, last one in counts.

And as is the edict of our Constitution and Bill of Rights, the people may and must challenge and unjust law.

The neocon driven GOP became the Party of NO the second Obama took office...logging record filibusters. Now the PEOPLE of Wisconsin are fighting an attempt to rob them of say in the very gov't that rules them.

Gee, you'd think the teabaggers would catch onto that....but being the confused lemmings that they are, they'll just go wherever and say whatever Dick Armey, Limbaugh and the Koch brothers tell them to.

Tackylib loves his mindless stereotypes and platitudes. Just look at (and admire) how he crammed so much into one stupid sentence: "neocon driven GOP became the Party of NO . . . . " Pure babbling bullshit.

The "people" of Wisconsin are not fighting anything. Instead, a small segment of the people, consisting of a semi-powerful interest group (collection of such groups) -- which constitute a financial base of the liberal Democrat Parody -- are fighting greedily to take and preserve the spoils of all of their industrious political hack lobbying over the years.

But confused and/or dishonest liberals always find a way to play class warfare and divide and conquer at the merest prompting of Marxist leaning union bosses and the Soros led brain trust of the liberal Democrats.

Contrary to what you idiots believe (no matter that it was said in a movie): greed is NOT always good.

There is a HUGE, massive, enormous and rather BIG budget problem, you looney-toons. There is also an obligation to file a BALANCED budget. Contrary to your graspy, greedy, reckless thinking, the emphasis on more taxation is NOT a viable answer. You liberoidal morons have NEVER grasped the fundamental problem of killing the golden goose.

It is not time to tax more, you buffoons. It is way past time to reign in spending. It is past time to CUT spending.

I had this mental Liability on IA for some months now, but ventured to see if he's actually developed the ability to discern his opinion, supposition and conjecture from the actual facts and logic regarding a subject.

Sadly, he has not.

Case in point: The protesters against Walker's proposed bill numbered in the tens of thousands...increasing in number as unions from all over the State of WI joined in solidarity with the initial protesters. The numbers are hardly "small interests" groups, as the reports in the MSM will even tell you.

Associated Press

Only later in the week did out of state supporters begin to arrive.....by their own steam as SELF IDENTIFIED union members from other states. One could venture that union members did use their groups funding to get to WI....but there is NOTHING wrong with that, as solidarity is not illegal.

Also, Libability (once again) indulges his obsession with Soros, marxism and semi-secret Dem Party cabals. Sadly, Libability CANNOT PRODUCE ONE VIABLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT HIS ALLEGATIONS. Someone needs to clue in Liability about the FACT that unions existed in this country LONG BEFORE Soros or Obama came on the scene.

However, dupes like Libability don't dare question the teabaggers sugar daddy in WI, Americans for Prosperity....because if he did have the honesty and courage to do so, Liability would discover that David Koch and Richard Fink are behind it's creation. The Koch family have about 17 industrial businesses in WI, and have a history of far right wing, anti-union sentiments. They were major contributors to Walker's campaign.

I could explain in detail to Liability that Walker's anti-union stipulations in his bill have NOTHING to do with saving money...because the first thing Walker did when he entered office was to grant $117 million in corporate tax breaks, carrying on the failed tradition of Reaganomics. Also, since WI own fiscal board pointed to a $121 million surplus at year's end, Walker's claims become suspicious at best.

But I'd just be wasting time, as Liability is willfully ignorant and insipidly stubborn when it comes to bad news regarding Republicans/conservatives/neocons/birthers/oathers/teabaggers/libertarians.

 

[taichiliberal]

too funny. 22 states currently have right to work laws and only a handful have laws compelling negotiations at all. Their is nothing remotely unjust about one party choosing not to negotiate with another.

Really? Then tell you what chuckles, tell me how great things are when your next elected local gov't tells YOU that not only are you (and your representative) banned from negotiating on parts of your benefits and pension, but the State is also going to reduce your salary by at least 300 dollars and then increase your contribution to benefits and pension by 18%. Mind you, this has NOTHING to do with filling a financial gap caused by hundreds of millions in tax breaks to local corporations, but hey, you've got the right to work, so all is well, right chuckles? Small wonder why 28 states won't allow that "right to work" BS.
ooooh he said neocon

Oooh, look up the definitions, you drooling fool....you might learn something with a little honest researchThere were no record filibusters, what there were were votes against cloture keeping debate open, which the democratics if they had any balls could have used to force the GOP to actually conduct a filibuster if they wanted to, but didn't.

Ahhh, so YOU don't have the balls to acknowledge the stonewall tactics of the GOP...instead you try to wussy out on a technicality. Sorry chuckles, the effect was the same, as calling for an actual filibuster would have eaten up time, and if the challenge resulted in an actual filibuster, more time. Yes, the Dems should have called the bluff, but then they wouldn't have gotten through what legislation they did. Again, to condemn the Wisconsin Dems for employing tactics (that they at least have "the balls" to physically carry out) similar to the GOP while giving the GOP a pass or excuse is hypocritcal at best on your part.

meanwhile, in the real world. confused lemmings are being bussed into WI by Obama and the DNC to protest an act of the WI legislature that will have no effect on them in the states they live in, because their masters have demanded it, and teachers playing hookie are bringing students to a protest who don't even know what it is they're protesting.

And of course, you have PROOF of your accusation that "Obama and the DNC" are bussing people to Wisconsin?

Let me know when you do, chuckles...and in the meantime you might want to do some honest research as to who is behind the organization that culled the teabaggers to WI recently. If you have trouble doing so or are too cowardly to do so, let me know and I'll educate you on the subject. Get cracking, chuckles.

This sort of response, deliberately making it all but impossible for anyone to respond in detail to it, is grounds for a FLUSH!

Especially since the poster is a dimwitted, deliberately obtuse troll who's never said anything I would have missed hearing, anyway.

And pray tell, Cecilie, how is asking someone to provide PROOF of their statements in a print medium making it "impossible" to respond in detail?

And why are YOU, Cecilie, ONCE AGAIN taking time and effort to tell everyone that nothing I said is worth reading or responding to? Do you NOT understand how incredibly stupid you look Cecilie? Because if you don't, get an adult you trust to explain it to you.

 

[Liability]

And as is the edict of our Constitution and Bill of Rights, the people may and must challenge and unjust law.

The neocon driven GOP became the Party of NO the second Obama took office...logging record filibusters. Now the PEOPLE of Wisconsin are fighting an attempt to rob them of say in the very gov't that rules them.

Gee, you'd think the teabaggers would catch onto that....but being the confused lemmings that they are, they'll just go wherever and say whatever Dick Armey, Limbaugh and the Koch brothers tell them to.

Tackylib loves his mindless stereotypes and platitudes. Just look at (and admire) how he crammed so much into one stupid sentence: "neocon driven GOP became the Party of NO . . . . " Pure babbling bullshit.

The "people" of Wisconsin are not fighting anything. Instead, a small segment of the people, consisting of a semi-powerful interest group (collection of such groups) -- which constitute a financial base of the liberal Democrat Parody -- are fighting greedily to take and preserve the spoils of all of their industrious political hack lobbying over the years.

But confused and/or dishonest liberals always find a way to play class warfare and divide and conquer at the merest prompting of Marxist leaning union bosses and the Soros led brain trust of the liberal Democrats.

Contrary to what you idiots believe (no matter that it was said in a movie): greed is NOT always good.

There is a HUGE, massive, enormous and rather BIG budget problem, you looney-toons. There is also an obligation to file a BALANCED budget. Contrary to your graspy, greedy, reckless thinking, the emphasis on more taxation is NOT a viable answer. You liberoidal morons have NEVER grasped the fundamental problem of killing the golden goose.

It is not time to tax more, you buffoons. It is way past time to reign in spending. It is past time to CUT spending.

I had this mental Liability on IA for some months now, but ventured to see if he's actually developed the ability to discern his opinion, supposition and conjecture from the actual facts and logic regarding a subject.

Sadly, he has not.

Case in point: The protesters against Walker's proposed bill numbered in the tens of thousands...increasing in number as unions from all over the State of WI joined in solidarity with the initial protesters. The numbers are hardly "small interests" groups, as the reports in the MSM will even tell you.

Associated Press

Only later in the week did out of state supporters begin to arrive.....by their own steam as SELF IDENTIFIED union members from other states. One could venture that union members did use their groups funding to get to WI....but there is NOTHING wrong with that, as solidarity is not illegal.

Also, Libability (once again) indulges his obsession with Soros, marxism and semi-secret Dem Party cabals. Sadly, Libability CANNOT PRODUCE ONE VIABLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT HIS ALLEGATIONS. Someone needs to clue in Liability about the FACT that unions existed in this country LONG BEFORE Soros or Obama came on the scene.

However, dupes like Libability don't dare question the teabaggers sugar daddy in WI, Americans for Prosperity....because if he did have the honesty and courage to do so, Liability would discover that David Koch and Richard Fink are behind it's creation. The Koch family have about 17 industrial businesses in WI, and have a history of far right wing, anti-union sentiments. They were major contributors to Walker's campaign.

I could explain in detail to Liability that Walker's anti-union stipulations in his bill have NOTHING to do with saving money...because the first thing Walker did when he entered office was to grant $117 million in corporate tax breaks, carrying on the failed tradition of Reaganomics. Also, since WI own fiscal board pointed to a $121 million surplus at year's end, Walker's claims become suspicious at best.

But I'd just be wasting time, as Liability is willfully ignorant and insipidly stubborn when it comes to bad news regarding Republicans/conservatives/neocons/birthers/oathers/teabaggers/libertarians.

That ^ miasma of a post is additional proof that tackylib is just a mindless and utterly unpersuasive drone. Tackylib, the fool, is completely lacking in ability to post without the crutch of his idiotic stereotypes.

The dipshit loves to pretend to be above the fray. {ooo ooo Libability can't provide proof of his assertions -- sqwak!} Ha. He doesn't mind that he is unable to back up his own "assertions." {GOP, "Party of no" and "neocon driven" -- sqwak!}

This is why the best approach to dealing with tackylib's bullshit efforts at posting is simply to point at him and laugh derisively.



And don't worry. There's not a chance in the universe that he will ever "come back" with an original thought. He completely lacks that capacity.

 

[The T]

Tackylib loves his mindless stereotypes and platitudes. Just look at (and admire) how he crammed so much into one stupid sentence: "neocon driven GOP became the Party of NO . . . . " Pure babbling bullshit.

The "people" of Wisconsin are not fighting anything. Instead, a small segment of the people, consisting of a semi-powerful interest group (collection of such groups) -- which constitute a financial base of the liberal Democrat Parody -- are fighting greedily to take and preserve the spoils of all of their industrious political hack lobbying over the years.

But confused and/or dishonest liberals always find a way to play class warfare and divide and conquer at the merest prompting of Marxist leaning union bosses and the Soros led brain trust of the liberal Democrats.

Contrary to what you idiots believe (no matter that it was said in a movie): greed is NOT always good.

There is a HUGE, massive, enormous and rather BIG budget problem, you looney-toons. There is also an obligation to file a BALANCED budget. Contrary to your graspy, greedy, reckless thinking, the emphasis on more taxation is NOT a viable answer. You liberoidal morons have NEVER grasped the fundamental problem of killing the golden goose.

It is not time to tax more, you buffoons. It is way past time to reign in spending. It is past time to CUT spending.

I had this mental Liability on IA for some months now, but ventured to see if he's actually developed the ability to discern his opinion, supposition and conjecture from the actual facts and logic regarding a subject.

Sadly, he has not.

Case in point: The protesters against Walker's proposed bill numbered in the tens of thousands...increasing in number as unions from all over the State of WI joined in solidarity with the initial protesters. The numbers are hardly "small interests" groups, as the reports in the MSM will even tell you.

Associated Press

Only later in the week did out of state supporters begin to arrive.....by their own steam as SELF IDENTIFIED union members from other states. One could venture that union members did use their groups funding to get to WI....but there is NOTHING wrong with that, as solidarity is not illegal.

Also, Libability (once again) indulges his obsession with Soros, marxism and semi-secret Dem Party cabals. Sadly, Libability CANNOT PRODUCE ONE VIABLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT HIS ALLEGATIONS. Someone needs to clue in Liability about the FACT that unions existed in this country LONG BEFORE Soros or Obama came on the scene.

However, dupes like Libability don't dare question the teabaggers sugar daddy in WI, Americans for Prosperity....because if he did have the honesty and courage to do so, Liability would discover that David Koch and Richard Fink are behind it's creation. The Koch family have about 17 industrial businesses in WI, and have a history of far right wing, anti-union sentiments. They were major contributors to Walker's campaign.

I could explain in detail to Liability that Walker's anti-union stipulations in his bill have NOTHING to do with saving money...because the first thing Walker did when he entered office was to grant $117 million in corporate tax breaks, carrying on the failed tradition of Reaganomics. Also, since WI own fiscal board pointed to a $121 million surplus at year's end, Walker's claims become suspicious at best.

But I'd just be wasting time, as Liability is willfully ignorant and insipidly stubborn when it comes to bad news regarding Republicans/conservatives/neocons/birthers/oathers/teabaggers/libertarians.

That ^ miasma of a post is additional proof that tackylib is just a mindless and utterly unpersuasive drone. Tackylib, the fool, is completely lacking in ability to post without the crutch of his idiotic stereotypes.

The dipshit loves to pretend to be above the fray. {ooo ooo Libability can't provide proof of his assertions -- sqwak!} Ha. He doesn't mind that he is unable to back up his own "assertions." {GOP, "Party of no" and "neocon driven" -- sqwak!}

This is why the best approach to dealing with tackylib's bullshit efforts at posting is simply to point at him and laugh derisively.



And don't worry. There's not a chance in the universe that he will ever "come back" with an original thought. He completely lacks that capacity.

Lack of propensity, logic would tell the tale. Anything else we see heretofore...will be merely kneejerk sans Seeing GOD and having an epiphany, or out of body experience.

 

[Tea Bag Partier]

Just about every headline I have read about the proposed budget changes in Wisconsin mentions Collective Bargaining "rights".

I am NOT the sharpest tack in the box, and after extensive Google searches,can find no LAW that stipulates such rights. What am I missing?

You didn't look very hard.

Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Signed, by the United States, 1948

Article 23.

* (1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
* (2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
* (3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
* (4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

When the United States signs an international treaty, we are obligated to respect it. Indeed the treaty becomes the "supreme law" of our country, and we are bound to follow it unless and until we withdraw from the treaty.

US Constitution

Article 6

"This Constitution and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof, and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

 

[Liability]

Just about every headline I have read about the proposed budget changes in Wisconsin mentions Collective Bargaining "rights".

I am NOT the sharpest tack in the box, and after extensive Google searches,can find no LAW that stipulates such rights. What am I missing?

You didn't look very hard.

Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Signed, by the United States, 1948

Article 23.

* (1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
* (2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
* (3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
* (4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

When the United States signs an international treaty, we are obligated to respect it. Indeed the treaty becomes the "supreme law" of our country, and we are bound to follow it unless and until we withdraw from the treaty.

US Constitution

Article 6

"This Constitution and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof, and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

Nobody is saying that they don't have a right to form a fucking union.

They have a right to ban together to present their "demands." That does not impose an obligation on the State (or any other employer) to acquiesce as to those "demands."

If A company employs 1000 workers and 501 of them agree that they want the workforce to have a union, does that mean that the other 499 should be obligated to join the union even if they are opposed to it?

Damn, but libs hate freedom.

 

[BenNatuf]

And as is the edict of our Constitution and Bill of Rights, the people may and must challenge and unjust law.

too funny. 22 states currently have right to work laws and only a handful have laws compelling negotiations at all. Their is nothing remotely unjust about one party choosing not to negotiate with another.

Really? Then tell you what chuckles, tell me how great things are when your next elected local gov't tells YOU that not only are you (and your representative) banned from negotiating on parts of your benefits and pension, but the State is also going to reduce your salary by at least 300 dollars and then increase your contribution to benefits and pension by 18%. Mind you, this has NOTHING to do with filling a financial gap caused by hundreds of millions in tax breaks to local corporations, but hey, you've got the right to work, so all is well, right chuckles? Small wonder why 28 states won't allow that "right to work" BS.
ooooh he said neocon

Oooh, look up the definitions, you drooling fool....you might learn something with a little honest researchThere were no record filibusters, what there were were votes against cloture keeping debate open, which the democratics if they had any balls could have used to force the GOP to actually conduct a filibuster if they wanted to, but didn't.

Ahhh, so YOU don't have the balls to acknowledge the stonewall tactics of the GOP...instead you try to wussy out on a technicality. Sorry chuckles, the effect was the same, as calling for an actual filibuster would have eaten up time, and if the challenge resulted in an actual filibuster, more time. Yes, the Dems should have called the bluff, but then they wouldn't have gotten through what legislation they did. Again, to condemn the Wisconsin Dems for employing tactics (that they at least have "the balls" to physically carry out) similar to the GOP while giving the GOP a pass or excuse is hypocritcal at best on your part.

Gee, you'd think the teabaggers would catch onto that....but being the confused lemmings that they are, they'll just go wherever and say whatever Dick Armey, Limbaugh and the Koch brothers tell them to.

meanwhile, in the real world. confused lemmings are being bussed into WI by Obama and the DNC to protest an act of the WI legislature that will have no effect on them in the states they live in, because their masters have demanded it, and teachers playing hookie are bringing students to a protest who don't even know what it is they're protesting.

And of course, you have PROOF of your accusation that "Obama and the DNC" are bussing people to Wisconsin?

Of course i do schmucky. I always back up my assertions

DNC playing role in Wisconsin protests - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

OfA Wisconsin's field efforts include filling buses and building turnout for the rallies this week in Madison, organizing 15 rapid response phone banks urging supporters to call their state legislators, and working on planning and producing rallies, a Democratic Party official in Washington said.

Let me know when you do, chuckles...and in the meantime you might want to do some honest research as to who is behind the organization that culled the teabaggers to WI recently. If you have trouble doing so or are too cowardly to do so, let me know and I'll educate you on the subject. Get cracking, chuckles.

Did I say the Tea party protesters were not bought in? See, thats the difference between you and me schmucky, I don't make disingenuous and intellectually dishonest assertions about what you've claimed. I just let you prove you're disingenuous and intellectually dishonest all by yourself.

Now, go ahead an intellectually dishonestly claim OofA is not the DNC and Obama's organization.

BTW schmucky, if you expect me to answer your other inane commentary learn how to use the quote function... I really don't feel like searching through your posts to discover whats new and whats old in a herculean (and perhaps impossible) attempt to clean up your incompetance.

 

[BenNatuf]

too funny. 22 states currently have right to work laws and only a handful have laws compelling negotiations at all. Their is nothing remotely unjust about one party choosing not to negotiate with another.

Really? Then tell you what chuckles, tell me how great things are when your next elected local gov't tells YOU that not only are you (and your representative) banned from negotiating on parts of your benefits and pension, but the State is also going to reduce your salary by at least 300 dollars and then increase your contribution to benefits and pension by 18%. Mind you, this has NOTHING to do with filling a financial gap caused by hundreds of millions in tax breaks to local corporations, but hey, you've got the right to work, so all is well, right chuckles? Small wonder why 28 states won't allow that "right to work" BS.
ooooh he said neocon

Oooh, look up the definitions, you drooling fool....you might learn something with a little honest researchThere were no record filibusters, what there were were votes against cloture keeping debate open, which the democratics if they had any balls could have used to force the GOP to actually conduct a filibuster if they wanted to, but didn't.

Ahhh, so YOU don't have the balls to acknowledge the stonewall tactics of the GOP...instead you try to wussy out on a technicality. Sorry chuckles, the effect was the same, as calling for an actual filibuster would have eaten up time, and if the challenge resulted in an actual filibuster, more time. Yes, the Dems should have called the bluff, but then they wouldn't have gotten through what legislation they did. Again, to condemn the Wisconsin Dems for employing tactics (that they at least have "the balls" to physically carry out) similar to the GOP while giving the GOP a pass or excuse is hypocritcal at best on your part.

meanwhile, in the real world. confused lemmings are being bussed into WI by Obama and the DNC to protest an act of the WI legislature that will have no effect on them in the states they live in, because their masters have demanded it, and teachers playing hookie are bringing students to a protest who don't even know what it is they're protesting.

And of course, you have PROOF of your accusation that "Obama and the DNC" are bussing people to Wisconsin?

Let me know when you do, chuckles...and in the meantime you might want to do some honest research as to who is behind the organization that culled the teabaggers to WI recently. If you have trouble doing so or are too cowardly to do so, let me know and I'll educate you on the subject. Get cracking, chuckles.

This sort of response, deliberately making it all but impossible for anyone to respond in detail to it, is grounds for a FLUSH!

Especially since the poster is a dimwitted, deliberately obtuse troll who's never said anything I would have missed hearing, anyway.

His inability to properly employ the quote function is rather telling.

 

[BenNatuf]

I had this mental Liability...

see you can be partially honest... but the correct verbiage is "have" not "had" and there is no reason to capitalize your condition.

 

[taichiliberal]

Tackylib loves his mindless stereotypes and platitudes. Just look at (and admire) how he crammed so much into one stupid sentence: "neocon driven GOP became the Party of NO . . . . " Pure babbling bullshit.

The "people" of Wisconsin are not fighting anything. Instead, a small segment of the people, consisting of a semi-powerful interest group (collection of such groups) -- which constitute a financial base of the liberal Democrat Parody -- are fighting greedily to take and preserve the spoils of all of their industrious political hack lobbying over the years.

But confused and/or dishonest liberals always find a way to play class warfare and divide and conquer at the merest prompting of Marxist leaning union bosses and the Soros led brain trust of the liberal Democrats.

Contrary to what you idiots believe (no matter that it was said in a movie): greed is NOT always good.

There is a HUGE, massive, enormous and rather BIG budget problem, you looney-toons. There is also an obligation to file a BALANCED budget. Contrary to your graspy, greedy, reckless thinking, the emphasis on more taxation is NOT a viable answer. You liberoidal morons have NEVER grasped the fundamental problem of killing the golden goose.

It is not time to tax more, you buffoons. It is way past time to reign in spending. It is past time to CUT spending.

I had this mental Liability on IA for some months now, but ventured to see if he's actually developed the ability to discern his opinion, supposition and conjecture from the actual facts and logic regarding a subject.

Sadly, he has not.

Case in point: The protesters against Walker's proposed bill numbered in the tens of thousands...increasing in number as unions from all over the State of WI joined in solidarity with the initial protesters. The numbers are hardly "small interests" groups, as the reports in the MSM will even tell you.

Associated Press

Only later in the week did out of state supporters begin to arrive.....by their own steam as SELF IDENTIFIED union members from other states. One could venture that union members did use their groups funding to get to WI....but there is NOTHING wrong with that, as solidarity is not illegal.

Also, Libability (once again) indulges his obsession with Soros, marxism and semi-secret Dem Party cabals. Sadly, Libability CANNOT PRODUCE ONE VIABLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT HIS ALLEGATIONS. Someone needs to clue in Liability about the FACT that unions existed in this country LONG BEFORE Soros or Obama came on the scene.

However, dupes like Libability don't dare question the teabaggers sugar daddy in WI, Americans for Prosperity....because if he did have the honesty and courage to do so, Liability would discover that David Koch and Richard Fink are behind it's creation. The Koch family have about 17 industrial businesses in WI, and have a history of far right wing, anti-union sentiments. They were major contributors to Walker's campaign.

I could explain in detail to Liability that Walker's anti-union stipulations in his bill have NOTHING to do with saving money...because the first thing Walker did when he entered office was to grant $117 million in corporate tax breaks, carrying on the failed tradition of Reaganomics. Also, since WI own fiscal board pointed to a $121 million surplus at year's end, Walker's claims become suspicious at best.

But I'd just be wasting time, as Liability is willfully ignorant and insipidly stubborn when it comes to bad news regarding Republicans/conservatives/neocons/birthers/oathers/teabaggers/libertarians.

That ^ miasma of a post is additional proof that tackylib is just a mindless and utterly unpersuasive drone. Tackylib, the fool, is completely lacking in ability to post without the crutch of his idiotic stereotypes.

The dipshit loves to pretend to be above the fray. {ooo ooo Libability can't provide proof of his assertions -- sqwak!} Ha. He doesn't mind that he is unable to back up his own "assertions." {GOP, "Party of no" and "neocon driven" -- sqwak!}

This is why the best approach to dealing with tackylib's bullshit efforts at posting is simply to point at him and laugh derisively.



And don't worry. There's not a chance in the universe that he will ever "come back" with an original thought. He completely lacks that capacity.

And here you see folks, why I put Liability on IA.....Liability cannot logically or factually refute ONE of my previous statements, so he just bluffs and blusters. Note how not only does Liability refuse to acknowledge the link I used to disprove one of his claims, but he LIES as to me not backing up what I stated. Clearly, the chronology of the posts shows that I can and have provided documentation and easily researched references when needed.

Liability is a typical of a failed neocon stooge. I'm done with him.

 

[taichiliberal]

too funny. 22 states currently have right to work laws and only a handful have laws compelling negotiations at all. Their is nothing remotely unjust about one party choosing not to negotiate with another.

Really? Then tell you what chuckles, tell me how great things are when your next elected local gov't tells YOU that not only are you (and your representative) banned from negotiating on parts of your benefits and pension, but the State is also going to reduce your salary by at least 300 dollars and then increase your contribution to benefits and pension by 18%. Mind you, this has NOTHING to do with filling a financial gap caused by hundreds of millions in tax breaks to local corporations, but hey, you've got the right to work, so all is well, right chuckles? Small wonder why 28 states won't allow that "right to work" BS.
ooooh he said neocon

Oooh, look up the definitions, you drooling fool....you might learn something with a little honest researchThere were no record filibusters, what there were were votes against cloture keeping debate open, which the democratics if they had any balls could have used to force the GOP to actually conduct a filibuster if they wanted to, but didn't.

Ahhh, so YOU don't have the balls to acknowledge the stonewall tactics of the GOP...instead you try to wussy out on a technicality. Sorry chuckles, the effect was the same, as calling for an actual filibuster would have eaten up time, and if the challenge resulted in an actual filibuster, more time. Yes, the Dems should have called the bluff, but then they wouldn't have gotten through what legislation they did. Again, to condemn the Wisconsin Dems for employing tactics (that they at least have "the balls" to physically carry out) similar to the GOP while giving the GOP a pass or excuse is hypocritcal at best on your part.

meanwhile, in the real world. confused lemmings are being bussed into WI by Obama and the DNC to protest an act of the WI legislature that will have no effect on them in the states they live in, because their masters have demanded it, and teachers playing hookie are bringing students to a protest who don't even know what it is they're protesting.

And of course, you have PROOF of your accusation that "Obama and the DNC" are bussing people to Wisconsin?

Of course i do schmucky. I always back up my assertions

DNC playing role in Wisconsin protests - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

OfA Wisconsin's field efforts include filling buses and building turnout for the rallies this week in Madison, organizing 15 rapid response phone banks urging supporters to call their state legislators, and working on planning and producing rallies, a Democratic Party official in Washington said.

Let me know when you do, chuckles...and in the meantime you might want to do some honest research as to who is behind the organization that culled the teabaggers to WI recently. If you have trouble doing so or are too cowardly to do so, let me know and I'll educate you on the subject. Get cracking, chuckles.

Did I say the Tea party protesters were not bought in? See, thats the difference between you and me schmucky, I don't make disingenuous and intellectually dishonest assertions about what you've claimed. I just let you prove you're disingenuous and intellectually dishonest all by yourself.

Now, go ahead an intellectually dishonestly claim OofA is not the DNC and Obama's organization.

BTW schmucky, if you expect me to answer your other inane commentary learn how to use the quote function... I really don't feel like searching through your posts to discover whats new and whats old in a herculean (and perhaps impossible) attempt to clean up your incompetance.

All you have is a twitter account voicing support of the protesters and an unamed source making an undocumented claim of supplying busses and phone banks and planning. Boehner bitching about Obama criticizing Walker is just that...Boehner bitching about what Obama publicly states. So again, genius, let me know when YOU have PROOF of your claim beyond your bitching about twitter notes and Obama voicing an opinion.

Oh, and Learn to READ CAREFULLY AND COMPREHENSIVELY, genius. I DID NOT ACCUSE YOU OF MAKING ANY CLAIMS REGARDING THE TEABAGGERS, I merely pointed out that if YOU are going to make claims against the unions, Dems and Obama, you might want to do some HONEST research as to who's backing the pro-Walker groups.

 

[taichiliberal]

I had this mental Liability...

see you can be partially honest... but the correct verbiage is "have" not "had" and there is no reason to capitalize your condition.

When you excerpt parts of a paragraph or sentence, you cannot adequately comment on the correct tense of a verb...one must have a COMPLETE sentence or paragraph to do what our mentally challenged BenNatuf tries to do here. That Benny tries to be condescending as well makes his post here all the more pathetic.

And when all is said and done, Benny and his compadres STILL cannot explain how depriving unions portions collective bargaining rights will alleviate Wisconsin's budget deficit.

 

[taichiliberal]

I had this mental Liability on IA for some months now, but ventured to see if he's actually developed the ability to discern his opinion, supposition and conjecture from the actual facts and logic regarding a subject.

Sadly, he has not.

Case in point: The protesters against Walker's proposed bill numbered in the tens of thousands...increasing in number as unions from all over the State of WI joined in solidarity with the initial protesters. The numbers are hardly "small interests" groups, as the reports in the MSM will even tell you.

Associated Press

Only later in the week did out of state supporters begin to arrive.....by their own steam as SELF IDENTIFIED union members from other states. One could venture that union members did use their groups funding to get to WI....but there is NOTHING wrong with that, as solidarity is not illegal.

Also, Libability (once again) indulges his obsession with Soros, marxism and semi-secret Dem Party cabals. Sadly, Libability CANNOT PRODUCE ONE VIABLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT HIS ALLEGATIONS. Someone needs to clue in Liability about the FACT that unions existed in this country LONG BEFORE Soros or Obama came on the scene.

However, dupes like Libability don't dare question the teabaggers sugar daddy in WI, Americans for Prosperity....because if he did have the honesty and courage to do so, Liability would discover that David Koch and Richard Fink are behind it's creation. The Koch family have about 17 industrial businesses in WI, and have a history of far right wing, anti-union sentiments. They were major contributors to Walker's campaign.

I could explain in detail to Liability that Walker's anti-union stipulations in his bill have NOTHING to do with saving money...because the first thing Walker did when he entered office was to grant $117 million in corporate tax breaks, carrying on the failed tradition of Reaganomics. Also, since WI own fiscal board pointed to a $121 million surplus at year's end, Walker's claims become suspicious at best.

But I'd just be wasting time, as Liability is willfully ignorant and insipidly stubborn when it comes to bad news regarding Republicans/conservatives/neocons/birthers/oathers/teabaggers/libertarians.

That ^ miasma of a post is additional proof that tackylib is just a mindless and utterly unpersuasive drone. Tackylib, the fool, is completely lacking in ability to post without the crutch of his idiotic stereotypes.

The dipshit loves to pretend to be above the fray. {ooo ooo Libability can't provide proof of his assertions -- sqwak!} Ha. He doesn't mind that he is unable to back up his own "assertions." {GOP, "Party of no" and "neocon driven" -- sqwak!}

This is why the best approach to dealing with tackylib's bullshit efforts at posting is simply to point at him and laugh derisively.



And don't worry. There's not a chance in the universe that he will ever "come back" with an original thought. He completely lacks that capacity.

Lack of propensity, logic would tell the tale. Anything else we see heretofore...will be merely kneejerk sans Seeing GOD and having an epiphany, or out of body experience.

Seems "T" has nothing to say except sour grapes and hopes that I won't deconstruct Benny's response.....seems "T" jumped the gun.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/3361051-post551.html

 

[BenNatuf]

And of course, you have PROOF of your accusation that "Obama and the DNC" are bussing people to Wisconsin?

Of course i do schmucky. I always back up my assertions

DNC playing role in Wisconsin protests - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

Let me know when you do, chuckles...and in the meantime you might want to do some honest research as to who is behind the organization that culled the teabaggers to WI recently. If you have trouble doing so or are too cowardly to do so, let me know and I'll educate you on the subject. Get cracking, chuckles.

Did I say the Tea party protesters were not bought in? See, thats the difference between you and me schmucky, I don't make disingenuous and intellectually dishonest assertions about what you've claimed. I just let you prove you're disingenuous and intellectually dishonest all by yourself.

Now, go ahead an intellectually dishonestly claim OofA is not the DNC and Obama's organization.

BTW schmucky, if you expect me to answer your other inane commentary learn how to use the quote function... I really don't feel like searching through your posts to discover whats new and whats old in a herculean (and perhaps impossible) attempt to clean up your incompetance.

All you have is a twitter account voicing support of the protesters and an unamed source making an undocumented claim of supplying busses and phone banks and planning.

All I have? LOL BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHA.

Oh, and Learn to READ CAREFULLY AND COMPREHENSIVELY, genius. I DID NOT ACCUSE YOU OF MAKING ANY CLAIMS REGARDING THE TEABAGGERS, I merely pointed out that if YOU are going to make claims against the unions, Dems and Obama, you might want to do some HONEST research as to who's backing the pro-Walker groups.

What would me proving Obama and the DNC are backing the protests have to do with who might be backing the TP protesters? Oh gee... nothing. You might try a little intellectual honesty yourself schmucky instead of pretending your attempted (but failed) deflection actually means anything.

Let me help you out. me showing you that OofA is behind this crap has absolutely no bearing on who might be behind the honest efforts on the other side. And since we were only talking about the sleazy democratics and their scummy henchmen there is no dishonesty in not mentioning the patriots and fine people on the other side. Me showing what the scumbag unions are doing does not compel me to do anything else to be "honest". Now if I were making a comparison, as you are, perhaps it might, but I wasn't.

So lets look at your "comparison" schmucky. You are attempting (lamely) to deny the evedence of the scum sucking democratics insinuating themselves in the protest, while at the same time you insinuate some nefarious funding (without proof) on the other side. if you were honest...

 

[BenNatuf]

I had this mental Liability...

see you can be partially honest... but the correct verbiage is "have" not "had" and there is no reason to capitalize your condition.

When you excerpt parts of a paragraph or sentence, you cannot adequately comment on the correct tense of a verb...one must have a COMPLETE sentence or paragraph to do what our mentally challenged BenNatuf tries to do here. That Benny tries to be condescending as well makes his post here all the more pathetic.

And when all is said and done, Benny and his compadres STILL cannot explain how depriving unions portions collective bargaining rights will alleviate Wisconsin's budget deficit.

Did you completely skip gramar school?

For a quick start, not having to buy HI for teachers from the teachers union will save about 62M. Which is one of the reasons their exempting benefits from collective bargaining.

 

[Cecilie1200]

see you can be partially honest... but the correct verbiage is "have" not "had" and there is no reason to capitalize your condition.

When you excerpt parts of a paragraph or sentence, you cannot adequately comment on the correct tense of a verb...one must have a COMPLETE sentence or paragraph to do what our mentally challenged BenNatuf tries to do here. That Benny tries to be condescending as well makes his post here all the more pathetic.

And when all is said and done, Benny and his compadres STILL cannot explain how depriving unions portions collective bargaining rights will alleviate Wisconsin's budget deficit.

Did you completely skip gramar school?

For a quick start, not having to buy HI for teachers from the teachers union will save about 62M. Which is one of the reasons their exempting benefits from collective bargaining.

Might also benefit the teachers, since they might actually get the chance to choose a health plan, rather than having one forced on them because the union makes money off of it.

 

[Big Fitz]

When you excerpt parts of a paragraph or sentence, you cannot adequately comment on the correct tense of a verb...one must have a COMPLETE sentence or paragraph to do what our mentally challenged BenNatuf tries to do here. That Benny tries to be condescending as well makes his post here all the more pathetic.

And when all is said and done, Benny and his compadres STILL cannot explain how depriving unions portions collective bargaining rights will alleviate Wisconsin's budget deficit.

Did you completely skip gramar school?

For a quick start, not having to buy HI for teachers from the teachers union will save about 62M. Which is one of the reasons their exempting benefits from collective bargaining.

Might also benefit the teachers, since they might actually get the chance to choose a health plan, rather than having one forced on them because the union makes money off of it.

I'd prefer it if businesses were barred from providing health care benefits, forcing them to pay cash instead, give the tax deduction to the individual employee who can then buy it, keep it as long as they pay for it, regardless of company, and make more money to do with as they please. It is very likely that they will find the plan that best covers them, for less ultimately.

 

[BenNatuf]

Did you completely skip gramar school?

For a quick start, not having to buy HI for teachers from the teachers union will save about 62M. Which is one of the reasons their exempting benefits from collective bargaining.

Might also benefit the teachers, since they might actually get the chance to choose a health plan, rather than having one forced on them because the union makes money off of it.

I'd prefer it if businesses were barred from providing health care benefits, forcing them to pay cash instead, give the tax deduction to the individual employee who can then buy it, keep it as long as they pay for it, regardless of company, and make more money to do with as they please. It is very likely that they will find the plan that best covers them, for less ultimately.

I wouldn't support barring it, but i would support doing it that way. people don't work for insurance, they work for pay. how many people if they had the option of reicieving the cash the employer pays towards their insurance instead of the insurance would opt for the cash? Probobly a lot!

 

[WorldWatcher]

I'd prefer it if businesses were barred from providing health care benefits, forcing them to pay cash instead, give the tax deduction to the individual employee who can then buy it, keep it as long as they pay for it, regardless of company, and make more money to do with as they please. It is very likely that they will find the plan that best covers them, for less ultimately.

You know I've thought that for a long time, that one of the major problems with health care is that for working Americans there is very little choice. The vast majority of plans occur because of health care as an employer provided benefit. The employee really has no choice and then they get trapped in a job if they have a preexisting condition because they can't quit and loose health care.

Can you imagine the impact of competition if third parties (like Churches, Credit Unions, Banks, Health Care Co-Ops, etc...) provided a competitive bidding process for sale of plans.



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[taichiliberal]

Of course i do schmucky. I always back up my assertions

DNC playing role in Wisconsin protests - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com



Did I say the Tea party protesters were not bought in? See, thats the difference between you and me schmucky, I don't make disingenuous and intellectually dishonest assertions about what you've claimed. I just let you prove you're disingenuous and intellectually dishonest all by yourself.

Now, go ahead an intellectually dishonestly claim OofA is not the DNC and Obama's organization.

BTW schmucky, if you expect me to answer your other inane commentary learn how to use the quote function... I really don't feel like searching through your posts to discover whats new and whats old in a herculean (and perhaps impossible) attempt to clean up your incompetance.

All you have is a twitter account voicing support of the protesters and an unamed source making an undocumented claim of supplying busses and phone banks and planning.

All I have? LOL BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHA.

Yeah chuckles, that's ALL you've got. It's called "hearsay", "unsubstantiated evidence", etc. Wouldn't fly in a court of law to prove your case, chuckles. And since all you've got to go along with this is Boehner bitching about Obama voicing criticism of Walker, you sure as hell are not producing a "Deep Throat" scenario here.

Oh, and Learn to READ CAREFULLY AND COMPREHENSIVELY, genius. I DID NOT ACCUSE YOU OF MAKING ANY CLAIMS REGARDING THE TEABAGGERS, I merely pointed out that if YOU are going to make claims against the unions, Dems and Obama, you might want to do some HONEST research as to who's backing the pro-Walker groups.

What would me proving Obama and the DNC are backing the protests have to do with who might be backing the TP protesters? Oh gee... nothing. You might try a little intellectual honesty yourself schmucky instead of pretending your attempted (but failed) deflection actually means anything.

Notice folks, that Benny here just realizes that his "proof" of his claim didn't really support his intial claim. So Benny does what all intellectually bankrupt neocon toadies do and obfuscates. All I do is point out the sheer hypocrisy of Benny making a false accusation about Obama and the Dem Party giving more than vocal support for the Wisconsin protesters while there is DEFINITE proof of the Koch Brothers backing the pro-Walker, anti-Obama groups like Americans for Prosperity. I'll give Benny some rope...hopefully he'll man-up and do some honest research...because quite frankly I'm tired of doing willfully ignorant neocon's homework.

Let me help you out. me showing you that OofA is behind this crap has absolutely no bearing on who might be behind the honest efforts on the other side. And since we were only talking about the sleazy democratics and their scummy henchmen there is no dishonesty in not mentioning the patriots and fine people on the other side. Me showing what the scumbag unions are doing does not compel me to do anything else to be "honest". Now if I were making a comparison, as you are, perhaps it might, but I wasn't.

So lets look at your "comparison" schmucky. You are attempting (lamely) to deny the evedence of the scum sucking democratics insinuating themselves in the protest, while at the same time you insinuate some nefarious funding (without proof) on the other side. if you were honest...

Benny wastes two paragraphs to essentially repeat that the his "proof" is valid DESPITE NOT documenting the "connections" beyond verbal support and subsequent complaints about that verbal support. See my above responses, folks....Benny is just on loop.