dmp said:Read the User Reputation thread already in existance.
I'm an adult. I don't need others to help me if somebody starts using the system in a silly way. Says more about them than anything. Some would argue the system is abused already...
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dmp said:Read the User Reputation thread already in existance.
Dr Grump said:It's Jimmy's board. How can the rep system be abused?
1549 said:I hold by my words from the previous thread: Christians who own guns, vote republican, and watch Pat Robertson are pissing on their own religion. That is not what Christianity is about. You wanted proof...here it is:
First, the most important reason:
Luke 7:27-30--"But to you who hear I say, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. To the person who strikes you on one cheek, offer the other one as well, and from the personwho takes your cloak, do not withhold even your tunic".
-->Gun owners: Toss the gun and get a dog. If someone gets in your home just lock yourself in a room, call the cops...Break-ins are rarely ever for the purpose of homicide. You actually are at greater risk if you walk up to a robber with a gun, as he may have one too. Conservatives are mostly pro-war. In the case of the last war, they did not even exhaust diplomacy. Pat Robertson...well he once advocated the assasination of Hugo Chavez, how does a guy like that get a Christian TV show?
Second, also regarding treatment of others:
Matthew 22:37-40--"He said to him, 'you shall love the lord, your God, with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the greatest and the first commandment. The second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
-->Guns are not the tool of love, that is all there is to say about that. Conservatives support the death penalty, is that loving your neighbor? Many christians may disagree with me on this, but I also believe in the right to abortion. No one fully knows a person's individual circumstances that lead them to abortion, and therefore the right should be granted. I am not necessarily for abortion, I just think the right should be extended. Pat Robertson said hindus should not be allowed in the United States. This shows his ignorance, he obviously has never talked to a hindu. Again, nothing Christian about his statement. Besides, the U.S. should be a secular nation, independent of religion. Whatever you are, you have as much right to be here as Pat Robertson.
Finally, regarding wealth
Luke 18:25--"For it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of heaven"
-->The conservative politics (republican and democrat) that dominate America are very critical of socialist ideas such as major reallocation of wealth and strict luxury taxes. Yet, we have no problem criticizing state welfare which is not enough to help poor families. It is near impossible for a poor person to make wealth in a society that already punishes the lower classes. The opportunities simply are not there. Yet most politicians are richer than sin...who do you think they are looking out for? Pat Robertson...well, he made a killing off of FM radio. Gun companies: the Government spends more money on tools of war than anything else.
The only difference between Pat Robertson and Muslim extremists is that Robertson only verbally supports killing. Conservative politicians so often call themselves Christians, but they deviate extremely far from the passages above. And there is nothing Christian about a gun.
Hobbit said:I said it so eloquantly before, that I think I'll say it again.
How DARE you even begin to lecture me on what Christianity means and what God would want me to do. You spineless, shameless liberals are all the same. You spend soooo much of your time blaming everything on Christians, telling us how backwards we are and how we're all living in the past just because we think unhealthy, unproductive homosexual relationships and killing your child before are wrong. You pound us continuously about how we're a bunch of backward hicks holding back progress in all areas and how if we'd just stop being so f-ing stupid and wake up, everybody would be a lot better off. Then, when it suits your twisted, selfish little agenda, you godless heathens take one or two verses, out of context, and presume to tell those of us who have personally talked to God that God would dissapprove of our actions. Just who the hell do YOU think you ARE?! Have you talked to God? No? Sit down. You lose. Now, until you can actually read and UNDERSTAND the Bible, don't you even begin to tell me that I can't own guns for hunting God's bounty or protecting what God has given me. Don't tell me I can't vote for politicians that oppose the sanction of abominable sexual practices. And you sure as hell better not tell me that I shouldn't watch a preacher on TV whose primary fault is talking before thinking.
The idea that anybody like you would even pretent to lecture ANYBODY on what Christianity really is makes me sick to my stomach. You just have all the answers, don't you?
Bullypulpit said:Sounds like you need to "...actually read and UNDERSTAND the Bible...". Your little hissy fit shows just how shaky your grasp on the Bible's teachings are. So be a good little boy and come back when you've grown up a bit.
And as for Christians, those who walk it like they talk it are fine by me. However, I won't suffer sanctimonious, self-righteous, hypocritical pissants gladly.
dmp said:You are very wrong - and it's people like you who need to read and digest exactly what hobbit wrote. You try to use your misguided thoughts about what it means to Be or Not Be 'Christian' against those who really believe.
...I pitty you.
Bullypulpit said:I look to my Christian friends for what it means to be a Christian...for what it means to believe in, and follow, Christ's teachings.
As for trying to "digest" what Hobbit wrote, I'm, afraid that it's pretty much indigestible.
And, are you so certain you're right?
Bullypulpit said:I look to my Christian friends for what it means to be a Christian...for what it means to believe in, and follow, Christ's teachings.
As for trying to "digest" what Hobbit wrote, I'm, afraid that it's pretty much indigestible.
And, are you so certain you're right?
Hobbit said:Then you've got crappy Christians for friends. You also might try looking at the Bible. For all I know, your 'Christian' friends could be people who just say they are to be fashionable.
As for being able to 'digest' it, can you not or do you just not want to?
dmp said:See Hobbit's reply.
Bullypulpit said:YOu fall into the same category as Hobbit...See my reply.
Bullypulpit said:And you couldn't hold a candle to the least among them. So go ahead...if you're without sin, cast the first stone.
As for digestibility, a skilled chef can take a few ingredients and combine them to form a tasty and wholesome meal. An unskilled person can take the same ingredients and render them into a foul and disgusting mess. It goes without saying that you fall into this latter category.
Bullypulpit said:And you couldn't hold a candle to the least among them. So go ahead...if you're without sin, cast the first stone.
As for digestibility, a skilled chef can take a few ingredients and combine them to form a tasty and wholesome meal. An unskilled person can take the same ingredients and render them into a foul and disgusting mess. It goes without saying that you fall into this latter category.
dmp said:You are having trouble following the point, Bully.
Hobbit said:*gasp* A scripture reference. Oh my, that must mean that you're a foremost expert on Christianity. I'm SOOO impressed. I could list a bunch of refutory scriptures, but it would be pretty pointless.
And considering what you think is a quality person, I'm rather flattered that you think so poorly of me.
Bullypulpit said:Unlike you, I'll be the first to admit my ignorance. But since I'm not a Christian anyways, it's a moot point.
And don't flatter yourself. I don't give you much thought at all. However, it amuses me to watch you splutter and fulminate in impotent, self-righteous indignation. And since you don't know the people I associate with, your opinion of them is of no matter. :teeth:
Bullypulpit said:Unlike you, I'll be the first to admit my ignorance. But since I'm not a Christian anyways, it's a moot point.