Zone1 Christianity and our founding fathers

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Ding, because you 'feel' it's right, does not make it so. You are understand that, yes?

 

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They were among the earliest of Protestants calling for the declaration of independence. Does that qualify them?

These are not the only two white Christian nationalist. Many of the signers of the declaration of independence were white Christian nationalist. Many of those involved at the constitutional convention in Philadelphia were white Christian nationalist. The point is they lost to the idea
No religion was to be favored in the new nation.

No. You need to prove they were founding fathers. And then you need to explain why you think they were Christian nationalists. It's not that complicated.

 

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No, you just say the back up doesn’t belong on this thread, and you refuse to discuss anything about it

I'm not making any allegations. You are. You have claimed there were founding fathers who were Christian nationalists. Prove it.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

I would say John Jay and Patrick Henry were the closest to white nationalists.

They definitely were. White Christian nationalist involved in the founding of America wanted christianity to be the national religion. I’m sure it’s documented if one bothered to go find it. The Who’s Who of that sentiment but the point is that sentiment lost?

Are you confused Saint Ding that white Christian nationalism is the same thing as white supremacy?

Because that’s not at all what it is.

Minimum minimum level entry into white Christian nationalism is merely expressing the opinion that America was founded as a Christian nation. Certainly, that is the opinion you keep expressing him. There’s nothing to do whether you’re a racist or not.

Your admission that Jefferson is not a Christian, but you demand he be included in “our Christian heritage” is propagation of a lie.

It’s the propagation of that lie that makes you a white Christian nationalist.

 

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White Christian nationalist involved in the founding of America wanted christianity to be the national religion. I’m sure it’s documented if one bothered to go find it. The Who’s Who of that sentiment but the point is that sentiment lost?

Which founding fathers were they?

 

[Leo123]

They escaped the Church of England and did not want a Church of America. They did not suspend their Judo-Christian morals and values though.

 

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The escaped the Church of England and did not want a Church of America. They did not suspend their Judo-Christian morals and values though.

The desire of the FF's and the FF's reasons for freedom of religion have been thoroughly documented. It's a ludicrous accusation that any of the founding fathers wanted to create a theocracy as W has been suggesting.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Patrick Henry and John Jay did, for sure, Ding. The others, no.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

No. You to prove they were founding fathers. And then you need to explain why you think they were Christian nationalists. It's not that complicated.

American Revolution Timothy Dwight IV - RevWarTalk

Timothy Dwight was born May 15, 1752 in Northampton, Massachusetts. The Dwight family had a long association with Yale College, as it was then known. His paternal grandfather Colonel Timothy Dwight, was born October 19, 1694, and died April 30, 1771. His father, a merchant and farmer known as Major Timothy Dwight, was born May 27, 1726, graduated from Yale in 1744, served in the American Revolutionary War, and died June 10, 1777. His mother Mary Edwards (1734–1807) was the third daughter of theologian Jonathan Edwards. He was said to have learned the alphabet at a single lesson, and to have been able to read the Bible before he was four years old. He had 12 younger siblings, including journalist Theodore Dwight (1764–1846).

Dwight graduated from Yale in 1769 (when was only 17 years old). For two years, he was rector of the Hopkins Grammar School in New Haven, Connecticut. He was a tutor at Yale College from 1771 to 1777. Licensed to preach in 1777, he was appointed by Congress chaplain in General Samuel Holden Parsons’s Connecticut Continental Brigade. He served with distinction, inspiring the troops with his sermons and the stirring war songs he composed, the most famous of which is “Columbia”.



So what’s your definition Saint Ding of a founding father?

 

[Leo123]

The desire of the FF's and the FF's reasons for freedom of religion have been thoroughly documented. It's a ludicrous accusation that any of the founding fathers wanted to create a theocracy as W has been suggesting.

Marxists always try to tear away at the foundation of the society they wish to supplant. The Marxist alt-left have taken over the Democrat party in America and have been busy spreading lies and false information about the founding and Founders of America to the historically ignorant. Ignorance naturally breeds Marxism.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

No. You need to prove they were founding fathers. And then you need to explain why you think they were Christian nationalists. It's not that complicated.

American Revolution Timothy Dwight IV - RevWarTalk

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Dwight first came to public attention with his Yale College “Valedictory Address” of 1776, in which he described Americans as having a unique national identity as a new “people, who have the same religion, the same manners, the same interests, the same language, and the same essential forms and principles of civic government.”

In 1793 Dwight preached a sermon to the General Association of Connecticut entitled a “Discourse on the Genuineness and Authenticity of the New Testament” which when printed the next year became an important tract defending the orthodox faith against Deists and other skeptics.

Dwight was the leader of the evangelical New Divinity faction of Congregationalism — a group closely identified with Connecticut’s emerging commercial elite. Although fiercely opposed by religious moderates — most notably Yale president Ezra Stiles — he was elected to the presidency of Yale on Stiles’s death in 1795. Shortly afterwards, he was elected an honorary member of the Connecticut Society of the Cincinnati.

Between 1797 and 1800, Dwight frequently warned audiences against the threats of this “infidel philosophy” in America. An address to the candidates for the baccalaureate in Yale College called “The Nature and Danger of Infidel Philosophy, Exhibited in Two Discourses, Addressed to the Candidates for the Baccalaureate, In Yale College” was delivered on September 9, 1797. It was published by George Bunce in 1798. This book is credited as one of the embers of the Second Great Awakening. A negative side of Dwight’s work was that he opposed smallpox vaccination (see Vaccination and religion).

Dwight was as notable for his political leadership as for his religious and educational eminence. Known by his enemies as “Pope” Dwight, he wielded both the temporal sword (as head of Connecticut’s Federalist Party), and spiritual sword (as nominal head of the state’s Congregational Church). He led the effort to prevent the disestablishment of the church in Connecticut—and, when its disestablishment appeared inevitable, encouraged efforts by protégés like Beecher and Bacon to organize voluntary associations to maintain the influence of religion in public life. Fearing that the failure of states to establish schools and the rise of “infidelity” would bring about the destruction of republican institutions, he helped to create a national evangelical movement—the second “Great Awakening” — intended to “re-church” America. Dwight was a founder of the Connecticut Academy of Arts & Sciences, the American Board of Commissioners for Foreign Missions, and Andover Theological Seminary.

Dwight was well known as an author, preacher, and theologian. He and his brother, Theodore, were members of a group of writers centered around Yale known as the “Hartford Wits.” In verse, Dwight wrote an ambitious epic in eleven books, The Conquest of Canaan, finished in 1774 but not published until 1785, a somewhat ponderous and solemn satire, The Triumph of Infidelity (1788), directed against David Hume, Voltaire and others; Greenfield Hill (1794), the suggestion for which seems to have been derived from John Denham’s Coopers Hill; and a number of minor poems and hymns, the best known of which is that beginning “I love thy kingdom, Lord”.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

It's a ludicrous that any of the founding fathers wanted to create a theocracy as W has been suggesting.

I have never in my life, suggested that white Protestant Christians of the founding generation, wanted to create a protestant theocracy. Even if they wanted to there was no way that they could. Try to read what I write Saint Ding instead of what you think you can make up and argue against.

There was Christian nationalist opposition to Jefferson and Madison enlightenment, ideal for the separation and church and state.

There were a lot of white protestant Christians, who were opposed to the disestablishment of the churches at the conclusion of the American revolution, and the creation of the constitution of the United States of America. Do you disagree ask Senator Tommy Tubberville if he thinks America is and was founded as a Christian nation and the way he wants to run the state of Alabama as part of that Christian nation.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Marxists always try to tear away at the foundation of the society they wish to supplant. The Marxist alt-left have taken over the Democrat party in America and have been busy spreading lies and false information about the founding and Founders of America to the historically ignorant. Ignorance naturally breeds Marxism.

Spoken like a true white Christian nationalist. So there you go Saint Ding thing if you want a definition

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Marxists always try to tear away at the foundation of the society they wish to supplant. The Marxist alt-left have taken over the Democrat party in America and have been busy spreading lies and false information about the founding and Founders of America to the historically ignorant.

If one of the founding fathers put it in writing that he believed in God, but he did not believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ. Is it possible that this well known founding father and one of the founding generations, original presidents, be a Christian in your opinion. There is no record that this particular founding father, ever confessed his belief in Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior.

 

[Leo123]

Spoken like a true white Christian nationalist. So there you go Saint Ding thing if you want a definition

Define Christian nationalist please.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Define Christian nationalist please.

Someone who believes that America was founded by white Christian protestants as a Christian nation in order for the nation to serve the Judeo Christian Biblical God’s purpose.

 

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American Revolution Timothy Dwight IV - RevWarTalk

Timothy Dwight was born May 15, 1752 in Northampton, Massachusetts. The Dwight family had a long association with Yale College, as it was then known. His paternal grandfather Colonel Timothy Dwight, was born October 19, 1694, and died April 30, 1771. His father, a merchant and farmer known as Major Timothy Dwight, was born May 27, 1726, graduated from Yale in 1744, served in the American Revolutionary War, and died June 10, 1777. His mother Mary Edwards (1734–1807) was the third daughter of theologian Jonathan Edwards. He was said to have learned the alphabet at a single lesson, and to have been able to read the Bible before he was four years old. He had 12 younger siblings, including journalist Theodore Dwight (1764–1846).

Dwight graduated from Yale in 1769 (when was only 17 years old). For two years, he was rector of the Hopkins Grammar School in New Haven, Connecticut. He was a tutor at Yale College from 1771 to 1777. Licensed to preach in 1777, he was appointed by Congress chaplain in General Samuel Holden Parsons’s Connecticut Continental Brigade. He served with distinction, inspiring the troops with his sermons and the stirring war songs he composed, the most famous of which is “Columbia”.



So what’s your definition Saint Ding of a founding father?

I think MOST people's definition of a founding father - in the broadest sense - is someone who signed one of the three founding documents; The Declaration of Independence, U.S. Constitution, and Bill of Rights. And in the narrowest sense it would be limited to John Adams, Samuel Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, John Marshall, George Mason, and George Washington.

I suspect YOUR definition would be anyone who suited your purpose at the time and would change as needed for other purposes.

 

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Spoken like a true white Christian nationalist. So there you go Saint Ding thing if you want a definition

So you define a Christian nationalist as anyone who dares to oppose Marxism? I think you are all over the map and nuttier than a fruitcake.

 

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Spoken like a true white Christian nationalist.

I think you're a racist.

 

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Someone who believes that America was founded by white Christian protestants as a Christian nation in order for the nation to serve the Judeo Christian Biblical God’s purpose.

You mean like the Pilgrims? Or the founders of Harvard and Princeton?